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Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 1:33 PM
Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 1:36 PM
Re: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
All I can say is wow.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 1:38 PM
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Yes. Obviously he needed to beef up his PED budget. Kilgore309 wrote: All I can say is wow. |
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Posted: 1/3/2013 1:39 PM
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NFL money. Bielema is such a POS.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 1:42 PM
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If it is true that Bielema was pissed off at Alvarez/the UW athletic department for not paying assistants enough, it sure is a solid slap in the face to abandon the program for a higher paying gig, and then take all of UW's best assistants with you by paying them more money at his new school.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 1:42 PM
Re: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
Sure it's not 300 total?
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Posted: 1/3/2013 1:42 PM
RE: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
Herberts the man. That is a lot of cash but I think he is probably worth it.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 1:44 PM
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Posted: 1/3/2013 1:44 PM
Re: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
It's gotten to the point where it looks like he's trying to overcompensate because he figures these coaches aren't going to be loyal to him at all or won't like being in Arkansas. Unless there's some proof that this is the going rate for an SEC S&C coach, it sure looks desperate.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 1:49 PM
Re: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
No. I'm a "terrible poster" because I don't toe the company line around here. Tbaz11 wrote:
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Yes. Obviously he needed to beef up his PED budget.
Kilgore309 wrote: All I can say is wow.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:08 PM
Re: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
Numbers don't lie. Adjust for lower COL/taxes and you could add a good 10% or more to those.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:14 PM
Re: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
--------------------------------------------- --- George2k5 wrote: No. I'm a "terrible poster" because I don't toe the company line around here. Tbaz11 wrote:
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Yes. Obviously he needed to beef up his PED budget.
Kilgore309 wrote: All I can say is wow.
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Saying things like this is why you are a terrible poster. --------------------------------------------- You just accused Herbert of supplying kids PEDs! What does that have to do with "toeing the company line?" |
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:16 PM
Re: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
Buckysdorsalstripe wrote: If it is true that Bielema was pissed off at Alvarez/the UW athletic department for not paying assistants enough, it sure is a solid slap in the face to abandon the program for a higher paying gig, and then take all of UW's best assistants with you by paying them more money at his new school. Yep. Seems obvious all of that loose money didn't draw those better coaches that he said he couldn't get at Wisconsin. He mostly got the same ones for a higher price. I wasn't born in Wisconsin, but I got here as soon as I could. |
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:32 PM
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I am all for free market forces, good for anybody and everybody that gets thrown money like that.
However, businesses must remember that it is themselves that offered that kind of money (and yes universities are businesses). 15 - 20 years ago, the car industry was tossing around crazy money and not just because the Unions asked for it. 15 - 20 years latter, the world has changed and they are looking for a bail out. Perhaps baseball is a better example, lots of contracts with big numbers to players that simply could not produce anymore, even to the point where a team like the Yankees has realized that its insane and big money does not mean championships, especially when you are tied to long contracts. Ask the University of Iowa how they feel about a 10 year contract to Coack K right now and I think the average fan is not feeling too good our their return on investment. Right now, I think the University of Tennessee is currently paying three head football coaches, two who were fired and their current (not sure about that but I heard it recently).
In another thread a poster wrote that there is little correlation between big salaries and great W/L record. Not sure of that, but I have a feeling that there may be some truth to that. In the Big Ten, Coach K is the second highest paid and the fifth highest paid in the nation, and the last few years have not been kind to Iowa football. Has Texas got the second best record in the country the last few years, because i has the second highest paid coach in the country. Was Coach Chiznik at Auburn the 7th best coach in the country before he got fired? Is Fat Charlie worth $2.5 million a year at Kansas, given that all he has done at the college level is lose?
Big salaries make the school's boosters feel good but it does not mean automatic success. In a state like Arkansas where the public education is in the bottom third of the country, it does make you wonder about priorities.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:33 PM
Re: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
Buckysdorsalstripe wrote: If it is true that Bielema was pissed off at Alvarez/the UW athletic department for not paying assistants enough, it sure is a solid slap in the face to abandon the program for a higher paying gig, and then take all of UW's best assistants with you by paying them more money at his new school. Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! It's a wake up call and if Barry reacts properly it was a good thing Bielema did this. |
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:52 PM
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No. I accused Herbert of having to now start supplying PED's to kids, because he's a strength and conditioning coach in the SEC. Tbaz11 wrote:
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No. I'm a "terrible poster" because I don't toe the company line around here.
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Yes. Obviously he needed to beef up his PED budget.
Kilgore309 wrote: All I can say is wow.
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You just accused Herbert of supplying kids PEDs! What does that have to do with "toeing the company line?" |
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:54 PM
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Ummm...no. He also got Randy Shannon, Taver Johnson, george McDonald and Jim Chaney. That's a hell of a staff, loaded to the gills with allstar recruiters. BAJJERFAN wrote:
Buckysdorsalstripe wrote: If it is true that Bielema was pissed off at Alvarez/the UW athletic department for not paying assistants enough, it sure is a solid slap in the face to abandon the program for a higher paying gig, and then take all of UW's best assistants with you by paying them more money at his new school. Yep. Seems obvious all of that loose money didn't draw those better coaches that he said he couldn't get at Wisconsin. He mostly got the same ones for a higher price. |
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:01 PM
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Favre2Sterlingfor6 wrote:
Buckysdorsalstripe wrote: If it is true that Bielema was pissed off at Alvarez/the UW athletic department for not paying assistants enough, it sure is a solid slap in the face to abandon the program for a higher paying gig, and then take all of UW's best assistants with you by paying them more money at his new school. Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!
It's a wake up call and if Barry reacts properly it was a good thing Bielema did this. Once again is Canada worth 450,000? Is Herbert worth 300,000. The answer is an emphatic NO! |
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:14 PM
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Favre2Sterlingfor6 wrote:
Buckysdorsalstripe wrote: If it is true that Bielema was pissed off at Alvarez/the UW athletic department for not paying assistants enough, it sure is a solid slap in the face to abandon the program for a higher paying gig, and then take all of UW's best assistants with you by paying them more money at his new school. Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!
It's a wake up call and if Barry reacts properly it was a good thing Bielema did this. Once again is Canada worth 450,000? Is Herbert worth 300,000. The answer is an emphatic NO! Where I have suggested Canada was worth 450K? I think he's ridiculously overrated and said Ludwig would have been the better hire a year ago. I have and will continue to say our assistant pay is well below where it should be for the amount of money the football program and the BTN produces. |
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:20 PM
Re: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
George2k5 wrote: No. I'm a "terrible poster" because I don't toe the company line around here.
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Yes. Obviously he needed to beef up his PED budget.
Kilgore309 wrote: All I can say is wow.
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Saying things like this is why you are a terrible poster. No, you are a terrible poster because you post idiotic statements like the one that was originally quoted and continually talk out your a**.
George2k5 wrote: This game is over.
mcx99 wrote: Now we are seeing the real Wisconsin team. Still haven't learned how to finish off an opponent.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:24 PM
RE: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
this is rather sickening. not only in the college football world, but relevant to the rest of the job market and typical workplace. 300K????
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:39 PM
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These guys have all been decent coaches, but paying them more does not make them better coaches. They were successful here, but 3 RB loses does not seems to reflect very positvely on the jobs they did. I'm looking forward to a clean slate. How entusiastic would the UW fan base be with the same staff after 3 straight years of coming up short?
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:46 PM
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PackerSweep wrote: These guys have all been decent coaches, but paying them more does not make them better coaches. They were successful here, but 3 RB loses does not seems to reflect very positvely on the jobs they did. I'm looking forward to a clean slate. How entusiastic would the UW fan base be with the same staff after 3 straight years of coming up short? No offense but this post wreaks of ignorance. Bo Schembechler was 2-8 in Rose Bowls and lost 3 in consecutive years. Does that make him any less of a coach? The idea that only winning the Rose Bowl is the difference between a good coach or not is completely asinine. What Bielema did here when taken into context is nothing short of phenomenal. |
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:47 PM
RE: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
PackerSweep wrote: These guys have all been decent coaches, but paying them more does not make them better coaches. They were successful here, but 3 RB loses does not seems to reflect very positvely on the jobs they did. I'm looking forward to a clean slate. How entusiastic would the UW fan base be with the same staff after 3 straight years of coming up short? If they made the RB every year and lost I'd still be pretty happy overall. B1G will soon be a very good conference again. If we beat UM, OSU, PSU, UNL, MSU etc what's not to like. |
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:49 PM
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I saw a bunch of both Stanford and Badger players at the airport on Wed. Stanford players were much leaner as a whole than the Badgers. Saw very little fat on their kids. Us...not so much! My guess is that both of our D tackles are both really overweight. And our O linemen could stand to drop a few as well. Another observation is how tall their players are especially on the defensive side. Tall LBs and tall DEs. Not sure how this translates into wins or not.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:51 PM
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I am all for free market forces, good for anybody and everybody that gets thrown money like that.
However, businesses must remember that it is themselves that offered that kind of money (and yes universities are businesses). 15 - 20 years ago, the car industry was tossing around crazy money and not just because the Unions asked for it. 15 - 20 years latter, the world has changed and they are looking for a bail out. Perhaps baseball is a better example, lots of contracts with big numbers to players that simply could not produce anymore, even to the point where a team like the Yankees has realized that its insane and big money does not mean championships, especially when you are tied to long contracts. Ask the University of Iowa how they feel about a 10 year contract to Coack K right now and I think the average fan is not feeling too good our their return on investment. Right now, I think the University of Tennessee is currently paying three head football coaches, two who were fired and their current (not sure about that but I heard it recently).
In another thread a poster wrote that there is little correlation between big salaries and great W/L record. Not sure of that, but I have a feeling that there may be some truth to that. In the Big Ten, Coach K is the second highest paid and the fifth highest paid in the nation, and the last few years have not been kind to Iowa football. Has Texas got the second best record in the country the last few years, because i has the second highest paid coach in the country. Was Coach Chiznik at Auburn the 7th best coach in the country before he got fired? Is Fat Charlie worth $2.5 million a year at Kansas, given that all he has done at the college level is lose?
Big salaries make the school's boosters feel good but it does not mean automatic success. In a state like Arkansas where the public education is in the bottom third of the country, it does make you wonder about priorities.
Go Badgers
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Great post. Well better said than I could do but I agree with 100%
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:55 PM
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I don't get everyone's obsession with Herbert. Were our teams noticeably stronger or faster than the opposition? No. The players seemed to like him and that's great but I doubt the results were much different than the norm for a BCS level program.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:57 PM
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thebadge10 wrote: I saw a bunch of both Stanford and Badger players at the airport on Wed. Stanford players were much leaner as a whole than the Badgers. Saw very little fat on their kids. Us...not so much! My guess is that both of our D tackles are both really overweight. And our O linemen could stand to drop a few as well. Another observation is how tall their players are especially on the defensive side. Tall LBs and tall DEs. Not sure how this translates into wins or not. It doesn't. |
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:17 PM
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Favre2Sterlingfor6 wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote:
Favre2Sterlingfor6 wrote:
Buckysdorsalstripe wrote: If it is true that Bielema was pissed off at Alvarez/the UW athletic department for not paying assistants enough, it sure is a solid slap in the face to abandon the program for a higher paying gig, and then take all of UW's best assistants with you by paying them more money at his new school. Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!
It's a wake up call and if Barry reacts properly it was a good thing Bielema did this. Once again is Canada worth 450,000? Is Herbert worth 300,000. The answer is an emphatic NO! Where I have suggested Canada was worth 450K? I think he's ridiculously overrated and said Ludwig would have been the better hire a year ago. I have and will continue to say our assistant pay is well below where it should be for the amount of money the football program and the BTN produces. Just because you may have the money to spend, do you need to spend it foolishly? We brought in 6 new hires, supposedly good hires, at salaries they were comfortable with. Chryst, Bostad, and Rudolph were paid well and didn't leave because of pay. Nor did Huxtable. The new guys generally were young and "up and coming", plenty happy with their pay. You cannot stop a headhunter coming in and overpaying for unreliable future services. 300,000 for a wet behind the ears S&C coach is meathead ridiculous. My question is why throw money needlessly when there are very good coaches out there that will work for what their body of work is dictates? Last year the name guy was Markeson, what in reality was he worth? |
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:25 PM
Re: Ben Herbert getting paid $300K a year at Arkansas.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ben Herbert's $300,000 is more than any UW assistant coach made this past season, right?
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