Is this the longest threat in BN history?

I've only been around 8 years, but this is the longest I can recall...

Threeball2k wrote:

Is this the longest threat in BN history?

I've only been around 8 years, but this is the longest I can recall...

The idea of Chris Ash as a head coach is growing on me. Would likely allow us to "re-steal" several assistants.

Personally, I think there's a 0% chance Alvarez hands the keys to his program over to a Bret Bielema coaching disciple like Ash after all that has happened, but we shall see...

Buckysdorsalstripe wrote: 

Ph3431 wrote: I'm truly shocked by #8. I thought Alvarez could do whatever he wanted and hire someone whenever he wanted.

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MayhemMadness wrote: Just got done with a area of chamber of commerce meeting in which a couple of high profile UW boosters were there. A couple of interesting tidbits that came out of this lunch talking to one of them was.  

1. Expect the assistant pool get a bump. At a recent UW fundraising event in Madison, boosters have agreed they want to be back in the top quarter of the league. This money will not come from facility fundraising.
2. A majority of interest in the opening has come from the NFL level. No less then 4 NFL assistants have expressed an interest in the opening but only Tucker has been interviewed.
3. Tucker was not initially interested in the job but has been energized by the interest in the alumni, boosters, and other coaches in the profession to interview.
4. There was a prominent D1 coach that would not interview because "Wisconsin is a anti Union state" What state level/national politics has to do with the UW job is crazy to me.
5. Chris Ash is not a popular choice among boosters, as he is to closely connected to Bielema. Since most of the staff is already gone, many boosters feel that the ship has sailed since staff continuity is no longer a concern.
6. Chris Petersen and UW did speak at some level, but only through intermediaries, and as far as he knew those conversations never included Petersen himself and were never formal.
7. Until recently Sean Frazier and Holly Weber have been doing most of the contacting of candidates. Alvarez has been involved in 2 actual interviews.
8. The AD office feels more pressure as of today to fill the vacant UW volleyball post that is open. Alvarez was know to be interviewing several candidates for that job the past few days.  Seems content to wait until after the 19th at a minimum for compliance reasons.

If number 8 is true that is maddening and unacceptable.  There are recruits (and assistant coaches, before they ALL left) languishing, concerned about their future.  I have to believe this is not true.

Otherwise, interesting stuff.  For what it's worth, I'm not sure you could produce any facts(s) that would convince some people on this board that Chris P. is not coming and that Barry hasn't worked some secret, maniacal, grand deal with CP as early as two weeks ago.

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Dude, you've made the same post, unsolicited, about 25 times. I'm sure everyone is well versed on your point of view.

madbadger2000 wrote: At the moment, there is absolutely nothing more to discuss. Every topic has been picked to the bones. Awaiting new article, tweet, or flight to review.

WeSing wrote: An ETR tweet popped up in a Chris Ash search of mine, fwiw:

EricTheRed ‏ @ RealEricTheRed

The idea of Chris Ash as a head coach is growing on me. Would likely allow us to "re-steal" several assistants.

saturdayfootball wrote:

The cycle is already nearing the halfway point.

Buckysdorsalstripe wrote: 

Ph3431 wrote: I'm truly shocked by #8. I thought Alvarez could do whatever he wanted and hire someone whenever he wanted.

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MayhemMadness wrote: Just got done with a area of chamber of commerce meeting in which a couple of high profile UW boosters were there. A couple of interesting tidbits that came out of this lunch talking to one of them was.  

1. Expect the assistant pool get a bump. At a recent UW fundraising event in Madison, boosters have agreed they want to be back in the top quarter of the league. This money will not come from facility fundraising.
2. A majority of interest in the opening has come from the NFL level. No less then 4 NFL assistants have expressed an interest in the opening but only Tucker has been interviewed.
3. Tucker was not initially interested in the job but has been energized by the interest in the alumni, boosters, and other coaches in the profession to interview.
4. There was a prominent D1 coach that would not interview because "Wisconsin is a anti Union state" What state level/national politics has to do with the UW job is crazy to me.
5. Chris Ash is not a popular choice among boosters, as he is to closely connected to Bielema. Since most of the staff is already gone, many boosters feel that the ship has sailed since staff continuity is no longer a concern.
6. Chris Petersen and UW did speak at some level, but only through intermediaries, and as far as he knew those conversations never included Petersen himself and were never formal.
7. Until recently Sean Frazier and Holly Weber have been doing most of the contacting of candidates. Alvarez has been involved in 2 actual interviews.
8. The AD office feels more pressure as of today to fill the vacant UW volleyball post that is open. Alvarez was know to be interviewing several candidates for that job the past few days.  Seems content to wait until after the 19th at a minimum for compliance reasons.

If number 8 is true that is maddening and unacceptable.  There are recruits (and assistant coaches, before they ALL left) languishing, concerned about their future.  I have to believe this is not true.

Otherwise, interesting stuff.  For what it's worth, I'm not sure you could produce any facts(s) that would convince some people on this board that Chris P. is not coming and that Barry hasn't worked some secret, maniacal, grand deal with CP as early as two weeks ago.

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Dude, you've made the same post, unsolicited, about 25 times. I'm sure everyone is well versed on your point of view.

madbadger2000 wrote: At the moment, there is absolutely nothing more to discuss. Every topic has been picked to the bones. Awaiting new article, tweet, or flight to review.

Bacchus1 wrote: I would bet that you'd find the vast majority of boosters, especially the large ones, are at best union tolerant.
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ajmadison wrote:

Buckysdorsalstripe wrote: 

Ph3431 wrote: I'm truly shocked by #8. I thought Alvarez could do whatever he wanted and hire someone whenever he wanted.

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--- Buckysdorsalstripe wrote:

MayhemMadness wrote: Just got done with a area of chamber of commerce meeting in which a couple of high profile UW boosters were there. A couple of interesting tidbits that came out of this lunch talking to one of them was.  

1. Expect the assistant pool get a bump. At a recent UW fundraising event in Madison, boosters have agreed they want to be back in the top quarter of the league. This money will not come from facility fundraising.
2. A majority of interest in the opening has come from the NFL level. No less then 4 NFL assistants have expressed an interest in the opening but only Tucker has been interviewed.
3. Tucker was not initially interested in the job but has been energized by the interest in the alumni, boosters, and other coaches in the profession to interview.
4. There was a prominent D1 coach that would not interview because "Wisconsin is a anti Union state" What state level/national politics has to do with the UW job is crazy to me.
5. Chris Ash is not a popular choice among boosters, as he is to closely connected to Bielema. Since most of the staff is already gone, many boosters feel that the ship has sailed since staff continuity is no longer a concern.
6. Chris Petersen and UW did speak at some level, but only through intermediaries, and as far as he knew those conversations never included Petersen himself and were never formal.
7. Until recently Sean Frazier and Holly Weber have been doing most of the contacting of candidates. Alvarez has been involved in 2 actual interviews.
8. The AD office feels more pressure as of today to fill the vacant UW volleyball post that is open. Alvarez was know to be interviewing several candidates for that job the past few days.  Seems content to wait until after the 19th at a minimum for compliance reasons.

If number 8 is true that is maddening and unacceptable.  There are recruits (and assistant coaches, before they ALL left) languishing, concerned about their future.  I have to believe this is not true.

Otherwise, interesting stuff.  For what it's worth, I'm not sure you could produce any facts(s) that would convince some people on this board that Chris P. is not coming and that Barry hasn't worked some secret, maniacal, grand deal with CP as early as two weeks ago.

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Dude, you've made the same post, unsolicited, about 25 times. I'm sure everyone is well versed on your point of view.

#4 is a ridclulous lie made up by some Union supporter.

There are 26 Right to work States which all are obviously more Anti-union than Wisconsin.
That ficitous made up Div 1 Coach better keep his current job there aren't many places for him to go. LMFO.


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I can tell you that this booster was no a union supporter.  He might have been pandering to a mostly conservative group but not a union supporter.  But also I couldn't see him making it up so...

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911sfan wrote:

madbadger2000 wrote: At the moment, there is absolutely nothing more to discuss. Every topic has been picked to the bones. Awaiting new article, tweet, or flight to review.

And then some. Desperately seeking some new news. Othewise--meh. See what happens.

wmvusa wrote: I think this is a theory that has not been posted.  Most on this board have been fixated  on the interview process.  Coaching is a rather small fraternity if you think about it.  These people all know each other or know someone they respect that that knows the person they want to talk to.  If you really want to hire them, the interview process is window dressing.  In the case of Wisconsin we might even be courting the potential coaches.  

Barry's short list could be like my daughters Christmas list, coaches you would like to hire and you know there is no chance they will come, coaches you would like to hire and they realize it is a good opportunity and they will consider the opportunity and finally coaches you know will jump at the opportunity.

Back to the interview process.  Many of us have been very naive in believing that there is a interview process.  For example if you want to buy a company, does the buyer contact the owner of the company directly or go through an intermediary.  In the case of coaching the intermediary is the coach's agent.  Who knows how many agents and who's agents have been contacted?  No one on this board I would guess.

So when we start talking Chris Petersen, Mike Riley or some other suspect is unreasonable to suspect the agent is contacted before the University or the coach to gauge interest?  If we continue down this path one might conclude the longer the hiring process the better the hire.

My key dates are January 2 Richt, Georgia, the gift I will not get, Dec 30 Riley, Oregon State or Dec. 23 Chris Petersen, Boise State the gifts I think are possible and then there is Campbell as some speculated.  I would guess that is a gift I could have.  

If Barry and company have reached out to these guys or others still in bowls and have come to the conclusion that they are unattainable we will likely hear Mel Tucker on the 19th or 20th.

So for me, the longer the process goes on the better.

1.  I think you nailed it with this: 

"My key dates are January 2 Richt, Georgia, the gift I will not get, Dec 30 Riley, Oregon State or Dec. 23 Chris Petersen, Boise State the gifts I think are possible and then there is Campbell as some speculated.  I would guess that is a gift I could have.  

If Barry and company have reached out to these guys or others still in bowls and have come to the conclusion that they are unattainable we will likely hear Mel Tucker on the 19th or 20th."

2.  Having said that however, didn't Barry pretty much say in his last presser that he had some coaches on his list but that some were hired and OTHERS WERE LOYAL TO THEIR INSTITUTIONS/CHANCELLORS.  So I think he was referring to both Petersen and Riley in that latter category.  I know nothing about Richt but he's in the SEC and presumably getting lots of money.  Why would he change?

3.  I suspect that Barry has gone from the thinking that he can get a head coach to now thinking it will be someone with coaching experience and possible NFL ties.  That likely will be Tucker, who also fits the loyal to UW profile that Bret did not.  Also, Barry gets to play mentor again, maybe his last time too.  And it would be neat that the Big 10 would go from zero AA coaches to having 2!  I think Tucker will announced as the new coach on the 20th (not my first choice, I prefer Rudolph). 

victorybucky wrote:

wmvusa wrote: I think this is a theory that has not been posted.  Most on this board have been fixated  on the interview process.  Coaching is a rather small fraternity if you think about it.  These people all know each other or know someone they respect that that knows the person they want to talk to.  If you really want to hire them, the interview process is window dressing.  In the case of Wisconsin we might even be courting the potential coaches.  

Barry's short list could be like my daughters Christmas list, coaches you would like to hire and you know there is no chance they will come, coaches you would like to hire and they realize it is a good opportunity and they will consider the opportunity and finally coaches you know will jump at the opportunity.

Back to the interview process.  Many of us have been very naive in believing that there is a interview process.  For example if you want to buy a company, does the buyer contact the owner of the company directly or go through an intermediary.  In the case of coaching the intermediary is the coach's agent.  Who knows how many agents and who's agents have been contacted?  No one on this board I would guess.

So when we start talking Chris Petersen, Mike Riley or some other suspect is unreasonable to suspect the agent is contacted before the University or the coach to gauge interest?  If we continue down this path one might conclude the longer the hiring process the better the hire.

My key dates are January 2 Richt, Georgia, the gift I will not get, Dec 30 Riley, Oregon State or Dec. 23 Chris Petersen, Boise State the gifts I think are possible and then there is Campbell as some speculated.  I would guess that is a gift I could have.  

If Barry and company have reached out to these guys or others still in bowls and have come to the conclusion that they are unattainable we will likely hear Mel Tucker on the 19th or 20th.

So for me, the longer the process goes on the better.

1.  I think you nailed it with this: 

"My key dates are January 2 Richt, Georgia, the gift I will not get, Dec 30 Riley, Oregon State or Dec. 23 Chris Petersen, Boise State the gifts I think are possible and then there is Campbell as some speculated.  I would guess that is a gift I could have.  

If Barry and company have reached out to these guys or others still in bowls and have come to the conclusion that they are unattainable we will likely hear Mel Tucker on the 19th or 20th."

2.  Having said that however, didn't Barry pretty much say in his last presser that he had some coaches on his list but that some were hired and OTHERS WERE LOYAL TO THEIR INSTITUTIONS/CHANCELLORS.  So I think he was referring to both Petersen and Riley in that latter category.  I know nothing about Richt but he's in the SEC and presumably getting lots of money.  Why would he change?

3.  I suspect that Barry has gone from the thinking that he can get a head coach to now thinking it will be someone with coaching experience and possible NFL ties.  That likely will be Tucker, who also fits the loyal to UW profile that Bret did not.  Also, Barry gets to play mentor again, maybe his last time too.  And it would be neat that the Big 10 would go from zero AA coaches to having 2!  I think Tucker will announced as the new coach on the 20th (not my first choice, I prefer Rudolph). 

LizWaters wrote: Wasn't Jay Norvell a top candidate for OC last spring? Is he a HC candidate? Sorry if this has been brought up...didn't want to page through all these posts.

LizWaters wrote: Wasn't Jay Norvell a top candidate for OC last spring? Is he a HC candidate? Sorry if this has been brought up...didn't want to page through all these posts.

Buckysdorsalstripe wrote:

victorybucky wrote:

wmvusa wrote: I think this is a theory that has not been posted.  Most on this board have been fixated  on the interview process.  Coaching is a rather small fraternity if you think about it.  These people all know each other or know someone they respect that that knows the person they want to talk to.  If you really want to hire them, the interview process is window dressing.  In the case of Wisconsin we might even be courting the potential coaches.  

Barry's short list could be like my daughters Christmas list, coaches you would like to hire and you know there is no chance they will come, coaches you would like to hire and they realize it is a good opportunity and they will consider the opportunity and finally coaches you know will jump at the opportunity.

Back to the interview process.  Many of us have been very naive in believing that there is a interview process.  For example if you want to buy a company, does the buyer contact the owner of the company directly or go through an intermediary.  In the case of coaching the intermediary is the coach's agent.  Who knows how many agents and who's agents have been contacted?  No one on this board I would guess.

So when we start talking Chris Petersen, Mike Riley or some other suspect is unreasonable to suspect the agent is contacted before the University or the coach to gauge interest?  If we continue down this path one might conclude the longer the hiring process the better the hire.

My key dates are January 2 Richt, Georgia, the gift I will not get, Dec 30 Riley, Oregon State or Dec. 23 Chris Petersen, Boise State the gifts I think are possible and then there is Campbell as some speculated.  I would guess that is a gift I could have.  

If Barry and company have reached out to these guys or others still in bowls and have come to the conclusion that they are unattainable we will likely hear Mel Tucker on the 19th or 20th.

So for me, the longer the process goes on the better.

1.  I think you nailed it with this: 

"My key dates are January 2 Richt, Georgia, the gift I will not get, Dec 30 Riley, Oregon State or Dec. 23 Chris Petersen, Boise State the gifts I think are possible and then there is Campbell as some speculated.  I would guess that is a gift I could have.  

If Barry and company have reached out to these guys or others still in bowls and have come to the conclusion that they are unattainable we will likely hear Mel Tucker on the 19th or 20th."

2.  Having said that however, didn't Barry pretty much say in his last presser that he had some coaches on his list but that some were hired and OTHERS WERE LOYAL TO THEIR INSTITUTIONS/CHANCELLORS.  So I think he was referring to both Petersen and Riley in that latter category.  I know nothing about Richt but he's in the SEC and presumably getting lots of money.  Why would he change?

3.  I suspect that Barry has gone from the thinking that he can get a head coach to now thinking it will be someone with coaching experience and possible NFL ties.  That likely will be Tucker, who also fits the loyal to UW profile that Bret did not.  Also, Barry gets to play mentor again, maybe his last time too.  And it would be neat that the Big 10 would go from zero AA coaches to having 2!  I think Tucker will announced as the new coach on the 20th (not my first choice, I prefer Rudolph). 

It's funny, Barry repeated that twice.  I was actually wondering if it wasn't a veiled shot at Bert Beelmah.

The last coach to be hired by Wisconsin who had experience as HC at a BCS school was Clarence Spears, hired in 1932.  # badgers