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Official Future of Badger Football Thread

Posted: 12/4/2012 5:13 PM

Official Future of Badger Football Thread 


For all of you fine young men who are dumbfounded and confused by the departure today of UW head football coach Bret Bielema.  You are not alone.  Many, if not all, of us alumni and fans are as well.  This was truly something that 99.999% of the people did not see coming.
 

But, don't despair.  Don't give up on the great academic institution that is the University of Wisconsin.  Don't give up on one of the premier college football programs in the country.  Everything will be just fine.  Remember why you committed to the school in the first place; the academics, the very solid football program, the beautiful campus and the great talent that is in place and will still be there and the commitment the University and football program made to you.
 

Yes, we lost our head coach of 7 years.  However, we have not yet lost any players, administrators or other coaches.  If you take time to sit back and look at what that program represents and what the future holds I am sure you will see that there are so many positives that they far outweigh this one negative (if you want to view it as negative).  People change jobs all the time, so do college coaches.  However, the talent that is in the program will not change but will only get better.

Why am I so certain of this you ask?  Because I am a proud alum of the school and 20+ year season ticket holder.  2013 could be a really special year for Wisconsin, 2014 and beyond might be even better.  You have to put faith in Director of Athletics, Barry Alvarez that he will do the absolutely best thing possible for the University and the program.
 

Take some time to digest the events of today but please look at the situation with rational thought.  If you feel you are better served elsewhere then I wish you the best.  However, I am confident that after stepping back a bit you will see that the positives greatly outweigh the negatives and that you will still get a world-class education and be part of a great football program that will win its share of Big 10 titles, Rose Bowls and possibly a national championship at some point.
 

On Wisconsin!

Last edited 12/5/2012 8:24 PM by badgermaniac

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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:23 PM

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3 straight conf champs and a school that refuses to pay its coaches? You didn't see it coming? You must be blind.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:27 PM

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In what world is Wisconsin paying a HC top 20 money, "Not paying its coaches."
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:28 PM

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LennonSt wrote: 3 straight conf champs and a school that refuses to pay its coaches? You didn't see it coming? You must be blind.
You're talking out of your a**. You didn't see this coming so don't pretend like you're some all-knowing soothsayer. Bielema isn't worth 4+ million and paying him as such would be a waste of resources. Chryst would do the job as well for half as much and i suspect he just might.


On Wisconsin!
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:28 PM

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LennonSt wrote: 3 straight conf champs and a school that refuses to pay its coaches? You didn't see it coming? You must be blind.

And you can say with a straight face that you saw this coming since 2011?  He almost left in 2011 and had thoughts about it again this spring. 

Let's wait and see how things really shake out when the dust has settled.  He was making $2.1m at UW and reportedly will make $3.6m at Arkansas.  He was a good coach, but not great.  Perhaps the powers that be said that if they're going to spend big money they could probably get a better coach.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:31 PM

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NCAA Recruiting Violation on a website! hahaha, just kidding guys, I feel truely sorry for your program that a coach would bolt for the money like that. Good luck in your hire.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:35 PM

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JamaicanJake wrote:
LennonSt wrote: 3 straight conf champs and a school that refuses to pay its coaches? You didn't see it coming? You must be blind.
You're talking out of your a**. You didn't see this coming so don't pretend like you're some all-knowing soothsayer. Bielema isn't worth 4+ million and paying him as such would be a waste of resources. Chryst would do the job as well for half as much and i suspect he just might.
If you say so buddy, sorry you're so blind-sided.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:36 PM

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I love a good picture of a kid getting injured in a game.  In fairness, it was the only time a Nebraska player laid a finger on a Badger all night.

Stay classy, Nebraska.

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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:36 PM

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huskerpower15 wrote: NCAA Recruiting Violation on a website! hahaha, just kidding guys, I feel truely sorry for your program that a coach would bolt for the money like that. Good luck in your hire.
Make sure you put the score of the game under that gif. your so proud of.
You dont have to like the Badgers, but you WILL respect them.~Me
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:38 PM

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LennonSt wrote:
JamaicanJake wrote:
LennonSt wrote: 3 straight conf champs and a school that refuses to pay its coaches? You didn't see it coming? You must be blind.
You're talking out of your a**. You didn't see this coming so don't pretend like you're some all-knowing soothsayer. Bielema isn't worth 4+ million and paying him as such would be a waste of resources. Chryst would do the job as well for half as much and i suspect he just might.
If you say so buddy, sorry you're so blind-sided.
The evidence and reasoning to support your facts are just astounding!


On Wisconsin!
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:44 PM

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JamaicanJake wrote:
LennonSt wrote:
JamaicanJake wrote:
LennonSt wrote: 3 straight conf champs and a school that refuses to pay its coaches? You didn't see it coming? You must be blind.
You're talking out of your a**. You didn't see this coming so don't pretend like you're some all-knowing soothsayer. Bielema isn't worth 4+ million and paying him as such would be a waste of resources. Chryst would do the job as well for half as much and i suspect he just might.
If you say so buddy, sorry you're so blind-sided.
The evidence and reasoning to support your facts are just astounding!
Evidence and reasoning lolol...

Do you really think Wisconsin pays top 10 money for its coaches? Why are you so astounded when some school that does comes and snags a guy who just won the BIG 3 years in a row?

The only person that lakes reasoning is you.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:47 PM

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BuckYeah wrote: I love a good picture of a kid getting injured in a game.  In fairness, it was the only time a Nebraska player laid a finger on a Badger all night.

Stay classy, Nebraska.
Go cry some more.  You kicked our ass and I like a block, injuries are part of sports banghead
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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:54 PM

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We are an incredibly attractive program with a great team in line for next year and a nice pipeline of recruits. PC would be a nice hire as would Doeren but I hope Barry at least takes a shot at a higher profile guy like Patterson. Go get 'em Barry!!!

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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:54 PM

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i'm just suprised that a Nebraska fan would have the guts to show up on a Whisky board after that pasting they got last weekend.  70 points?!? really?  how embarrassing.  Snot-bubbles Pelini better get back to the drawing board.

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Posted: 12/4/2012 5:58 PM

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Patterson will wait out Mack Brown. But hey, you still have your fantasy that Wisconsin can start next season ranked in the Top 10! None of the elite coaches are going anywhere. With all the firings, this is the worst possible time to be seaking out a new coach.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 6:04 PM

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stlbadger wrote: We are an incredibly attractive program with a great team in line for next year and a nice pipeline of recruits. PC would be a nice hire as would Doeren but I hope Barry at least takes a shot at a higher profile guy like Patterson. Go get 'em Barry!!!
Doeren would be nice.


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Posted: 12/4/2012 6:26 PM

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Way off the mark. The timing on this couldn't be any worse.

Another distracted Rose Bowl
2013 was positioned to be a great year. Anyone who doesn't appreciate the difficulty of coaching transitions wasn't actually watching Badger football this year.
Our recruiting classes were looking like quite possibly the best ever. Now we'll have to fight like hell to keep as many as we can, but almost certainly will lose some.
We just lost probably our best successor prospect last year - and he has a substantial buyout clause.
He took a bunch of quality assistants with him - and the replacements have all been here for less than a year, so no HC prospects among them.
The other good possible successor just got hired to coach NC State.

Losing Bielema - I can deal with. It happens. But the timing is absolutely devastating.

"Contrary to what you guys think, I haven't forgotten how to coach defense and how to stop the run."
- Bo Pelini 9/29/12 after a 30-27 win over Wisconsin. Nebraska then gave up 70 pts and 539 rushing yards in the Conference Title Game rematch.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 6:50 PM

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multimed wrote: Way off the mark. The timing on this couldn't be any worse.

Another distracted Rose Bowl
2013 was positioned to be a great year. Anyone who doesn't appreciate the difficulty of coaching transitions wasn't actually watching Badger football this year.
Our recruiting classes were looking like quite possibly the best ever. Now we'll have to fight like hell to keep as many as we can, but almost certainly will lose some.
We just lost probably our best successor prospect last year - and he has a substantial buyout clause.
He took a bunch of quality assistants with him - and the replacements have all been here for less than a year, so no HC prospects among them.
The other good possible successor just got hired to coach NC State.

Losing Bielema - I can deal with. It happens. But the timing is absolutely devastating.

Is it better to be looking for a coach coming off back-to-back 1-10 seasons with the stands half full?

Is it better to look for a coach when your program hasn't been to a bowl game in over a decade?

Is it better to look for a coach when the next couple recruiting classes are terrible?

I can't think of a time when UW has had more to sell than they do right now.  Most top coaches are not terribly interested in taking over a rebuilding project.  That's when you are stuck with lower level up and comers or hot shot coordinators (unless you are a true blue blood program).  Nothing wrong with that but UW should be able to attract interest from some established head coaches.  This program is in fine shape and should be able to compete at the highest level from the start.  Regardless, I trust Barry and I bet he's glad he doesn't have to sell a Don Morton ravaged product to our next coach.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 6:54 PM

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I agree. Few coaches get a shot to take over a WINNING program with good returning talent and new facilities with the paint not even dry.  UW has LOTS to offer and should not settle for some retread or an uproven assistant IMHO. And open that checkbook.  Don't be $$$ stupid right now. Good time to raise the entire package.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 8:50 PM

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chinaglia wrote:

For all of you fine young men who are dumbfounded and confused by the departure today of UW head football coach Bret Bielema.  You are not alone.  Many, if not all, of us alumni and fans are as well.  This was truly something that 99.999% of the people did not see coming.
 

But, don't despair.  Don't give up on the great academic institution that is the University of Wisconsin.  Don't give up on one of the premier college football programs in the country.  Everything will be just fine.  Remember why you committed to the school in the first place; the academics, the very solid football program, the beautiful campus and the great talent that is in place and will still be there and the commitment the University and football program made to you.
 

Yes, we lost our head coach of 7 years.  However, we have not yet lost any players, administrators or other coaches.  If you take time to sit back and look at what that program represents and what the future holds I am sure you will see that there are so many positives that they far outweigh this one negative (if you want to view it as negative).  People change jobs all the time, so do college coaches.  However, the talent that is in the program will not change but will only get better.

Why am I so certain of this you ask?  Because I am a proud alum of the school and 20+ year season ticket holder.  2013 could be a really special year for Wisconsin, 2014 and beyond might be even better.  You have to put faith in Director of Athletics, Barry Alvarez that he will do the absolutely best thing possible for the University and the program.
 

Take some time to digest the events of today but please look at the situation with rational thought.  If you feel you are better served elsewhere then I wish you the best.  However, I am confident that after stepping back a bit you will see that the positives greatly outweigh the negatives and that you will still get a world-class education and be part of a great football program that will win its share of Big 10 titles, Rose Bowls and possibly a national championship at some point.
 

On Wisconsin!

Love the passion but....cmon man tongue.  I don't think any recruit will read this
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Posted: 12/4/2012 8:58 PM

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--- LennonSt wrote:


JamaicanJake wrote:
LennonSt wrote:
JamaicanJake wrote:
LennonSt wrote: 3 straight conf champs and a school that refuses to pay its coaches? You didn't see it coming? You must be blind.
You're talking out of your a**. You didn't see this coming so don't pretend like you're some all-knowing soothsayer. Bielema isn't worth 4+ million and paying him as such would be a waste of resources. Chryst would do the job as well for half as much and i suspect he just might.
If you say so buddy, sorry you're so blind-sided.
The evidence and reasoning to support your facts are just astounding!
Evidence and reasoning lolol...

Do you really think Wisconsin pays top 10 money for its coaches? Why are you so astounded when some school that does comes and snags a guy who just won the BIG 3 years in a row?

The only person that lakes reasoning is you.

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He had a top 20 salary. Which was commensurate with his performance.

WTF are you talking about?

I got the shotgun....you got the briefcase......all in the game though


 

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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:04 PM

This is Wisconsin and the Big Ten 


I think that many fans learned today a little more about college football.  There is not parity.  UW is still a stepping stone job.  Big Ten coaching positions are stepping stones except maybe at Ohio St or Michigan.

UW is not in a position to ever win a national title.  For the past 10 years I have always said Notre Dame would win a title long before UW and I am being proven right here.

The coaching changes the past few years starting with Doeren could be expected with the success.  I figured Bielema would leave after next year because that was going to be a great team but it is a year earlier.

Fans getting impatient for national titles here will likely drive coaches away as Rose Bowl appearances and Big Ten championships all of a sudden are not enough.

Hiring a new coach will be difficult.  Why?  Where can the Badgers go but down.  Fans are going to be almost certainly dissatisfied.

Assistants are going to leave quickly as they need to take the first sure thing job they get offered as they are on one year contracts.  recruits are going to decommit because realtionships will be altered.

This is college football.  The Big Ten is not the same as the SEC.  The SEC is hiring big name coaches.  Big Ten schools like Purdue are hiring MAC coaches.  Gary Patterson or Chris Peterson are not coming to Madison.  They already make as much as Bielema did and have turned down better more high paying jobs.  We are looking at hiring a MAC level coach or an assistant and you just hope you strike gold and don't end up with a Hope or Beckman or Brewster, etc.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:06 PM

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wouldn't expect a lamea** sky is falling post from you. Take that sh*t to the kiddie table.


On Wisconsin!
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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:10 PM

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I am ecstatic where the program is and have enjoyed every minute of it.  I have not been one of the complainers.  The Badgers have been overachieving and I hope they continue.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:13 PM

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If Wisconsin had beaten Ohio State last year they most likely would have been in the national title game.

If Alabama had not blown a huge lead against Auburn the year before the Badgers would have had an argument to be in over TCU as well.

I don't get why you say they're incapable of competing for national titles

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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:14 PM

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DocWrestling wrote:  UW is still a stepping stone job. 
Stupidest thing I've ever read on this board. 

We know what you mean, but has any head coach EVER left UW for another job?  Like, ever??? 

You can't call it a stepping stone job when no one has ever stepped that stone.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:14 PM

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You are smoking crack. Need I remind you that Wisconsin is playing in their THIRD CONSECUTIVE Rose Bowl. It has only been done once and that was in the late 1970's. This program is more than just a stepping stone.



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--- DocWrestling wrote:

I think that many fans learned today a little more about college football.  There is not parity.  UW is still a stepping stone job.  Big Ten coaching positions are stepping stones except maybe at Ohio St or Michigan.

UW is not in a position to ever win a national title.  For the past 10 years I have always said Notre Dame would win a title long before UW and I am being proven right here.

The coaching changes the past few years starting with Doeren could be expected with the success.  I figured Bielema would leave after next year because that was going to be a great team but it is a year earlier.

Fans getting impatient for national titles here will likely drive coaches away as Rose Bowl appearances and Big Ten championships all of a sudden are not enough.

Hiring a new coach will be difficult.  Why?  Where can the Badgers go but down.  Fans are going to be almost certainly dissatisfied.

Assistants are going to leave quickly as they need to take the first sure thing job they get offered as they are on one year contracts.  recruits are going to decommit because realtionships will be altered.

This is college football.  The Big Ten is not the same as the SEC.  The SEC is hiring big name coaches.  Big Ten schools like Purdue are hiring MAC coaches.  Gary Patterson or Chris Peterson are not coming to Madison.  They already make as much as Bielema did and have turned down better more high paying jobs.  We are looking at hiring a MAC level coach or an assistant and you just hope you strike gold and don't end up with a Hope or Beckman or Brewster, etc.

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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:16 PM

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Bret Bielema did as recently as today.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:18 PM

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UW has never had such a successful coach.  Even Alvarez looked at a lot of other jobs but stayed because he knew he could become AD.

What coaches from what programs would be interested in stepping up into the UW job?

Would a Pac-12 coach leave to come coach UW?

Would a SEC coach leave to come coach UW?

Would a Big 12 coach outside of Iowa St or Kansas schools come coach at UW

What ACC coaches would leave to come to UW?
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Posted: 12/4/2012 9:20 PM

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Didn't OSU go to four straight? And Michigan 3 straight?
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