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Obamah Health Care and Severability-an honest question

  • Koobs
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Posted: 3/29/2012 1:08 PM

Obamah Health Care and Severability-an honest question 


The Obama Health Care law is 2700 pages  of text.  I've heard a lot of questions about Severability in the event
the mandate is held to be invalid.  Does anyone on this board know whether , in fact, the Act contains a severability clause.? My guess is that it does, because that is standard in  the substantive text of every serious Act.  If you know for sure, past the answer.  If there is a severability clause, I believe the court will apply it in the event of a negative ruling.
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Posted: 3/29/2012 11:32 PM

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Everything I've read and heard about it says no severability clause. Whether that was a slip-up because of the way it was rammed through on Christmas Eve without the normal reconciliation between House and Senate versions, or was it intentional thinking when it ultimately ended up in the SCOTUS it would have to be an all or nothing decision is unknown. The problem with tossing out the mandate only, which has now been changed to the "individual responsibility" clause by the WH spinmeisters, is that it provides the funding for all the new entitlements. Without this the rest of Obamacare falls apart. Wednesday's SC debate was about this. The WH lawyer suggested that each provision of the bill be examined individually to see what could be saved on it's merits. Scalia scoffed at this idea, asking if they (the Court) was expected to go through the entire 2,700 pages in detail, and also asked what happened to the 8th amendment (that's the one about cruel and unusual punishment.) The Solicitor General (Verrilli) who argued in favor of the mandate on Tuesday was clearly unprepared, and the Justices didn't seem to appreciate that. Buzzy and Soto tried to help him out, asking leading questions and trying to get him to change his answers. Kagan had written the entire defense argument while she was Solicitor General, so she was probably frustrated that he did so poorly. Pretty much everyone now expects a 5-4 decision against the mandate. The WH has said they have no contingency plan for what they will do if it is struck down. The decision will be handed down in June.

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Posted: 4/1/2012 12:54 PM

Re: Obamah Health Care and Severability-an honest question 


79:  Thanks man.  That was a thorough and complete reply.  I do not believe that a severability clause was inadvertently left out.  Such an omission had to be calculated, because the clause is a mantra recitation in every bill drafted.  That raises another question in my mind:  Is there enough substance in the remainder of the Act to make it
worthwhile to save parts ?  I would argue against that because an act of such reach and depth needs to be drafted in full, singular,  and complete contemplation.   My  idea of a  health care act would be to let people present proof of their own coverage, then set up a central subsidized pool for those unable to provide for themselves. A payment into the pool would be a direct  tax credit on income tax liability.     Instead of policies, it would be a fund, invested and available for non-insureds upon a medical certification of need.  I believe this  HC Act in invalid because it is clearly a penal statute put in place to force a certain behavior upon a whole society. It provides for  a  "taking" of property without due process of law.  A statute or act, especially a penal one,  must be judged not by what it seemingly  does, but what may be done under its terms .   The Act has a pleasing sound-seems reasonable;but what may be done under its terms is fit for a police state.  Its acceptance would make "mice" out of all of us.  In short, it is against the genius of a free people.. We lose on this, and we lose a measure of our sacred freedom.  One further observation: if this Act stands muster, it is the model for other "behavior problems":  Thus always with tyrants. They always have a rationale.
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