• His record is the worst of any coach who lasted three years at Wake Forest in over ONE HUNDRED YEARS of Deacon basketball
• His end of game coaching has cost us having a winning season this year
• He is absolutely awful with the press
• During his first four recruiting seasons we got ZERO Top 60 players
• He commits the cardinal sin of coaching by blaming not himself for failures
• The program went from #1 to laughingstock in five years

Those are just six of the reasons.

I'd love to hear a justification for not firing him.

Firebz.com says it all

good post, if BZ has any integrity he'll resign first

All those familiar with our boards well know that people will try to justify anything. This should be fun in a gallows humor sort of way.

The only guy that apparently can justify it is the one making the decision, which is what is so shocking and infuriating at the same time. He either knows something that no one else knows or he is off his rocker.

A fresh start is needed very badly, but only 1 person needs to justify not firing Bzdelik, and that's Mr. Chairman.

*waiting for Jason to come in here and spew some of his troll bullish it.

He drives a Prius,Wears a sundial, does Yoga, can clap, and stomp his feet with the best of them,and I'm sure he goes to get his coffee and Doughnuts at Starbucks everyday! And he makes a 1,000,000 for it! Hell I would say that justifies keeping old Buzzy old boy!

MocksvilleDeac wrote: He drives a Prius,Wears a sundial, does Yoga, can clap, and stomp his feet with the best of them,and I'm sure he goes to get his coffee and Doughnuts at Starbucks everyday! And he makes a 1,000,000 for it! Hell I would say that justifies keeping old Buzzy old boy!

What an absurd statement ........... Starbucks doesn't sell doughnuts!

rjkarl wrote:

• His record is the worst of any coach who lasted three years at Wake Forest in over ONE HUNDRED YEARS of Deacon basketball
• His end of game coaching has cost us having a winning season this year
• He is absolutely awful with the press
• During his first four recruiting seasons we got ZERO Top 60 players
• He commits the cardinal sin of coaching by blaming not himself for failures
• The program went from #1 to laughingstock in five years

Those are just six of the reasons.

I'd love to hear a justification for not firing him.

First, I'll say I was personally expecting about 7 ACC wins this year hoping for a little better. I think that is higher than most of the media and on this board. Still possible, but looking like we'll probably end up with 6. We could have easily won a couple more (Va Tech, Duke, BC, and Ga Tech). You can say coaching cost us those games, personally I think we arguably got hosed in all those games. Clearly CJ got fouled at the end in VaTech. Was CJ to the hoop a bad end of game call? Far better than probable ACC coach of the year Laranga's call yesterday to settle for a crap 3, rather than let Larkin go to the hoop with 20 seconds left.

So to address the points RJ -

The slide from #1 started with Dino, as we finished what, about 25 that year, with 4 NBA players on the roster?

No one was winning anything with our roster the last 2 years and you know that. Bobby Knight might have won a handful more games.

Buzz has coached well enough to put us in a position to have a winning ACC season this year. Few of you expected that. We have 7 freshmen and no real center (recall we lost Daniel and Andre is developing).  

Hard to argue recruiting is not going pretty well with our current class, McClinton and Mitchell on the way.

Sure it has been up and down. We need to start winning on the road. The blow-outs are not acceptable. On the flip side, we had some big wins at home.

All in all, we made a ton of progress this year, even if the end result so far has been a  little disappointing in the W/L column. We are a couple calls away from being above everyone's expectations.

You can be pissed at Wellman for not hiring Shaka or whoever else you wanted or the process. Heck if we could hire Shaka today, I would of course not disagree. Blame Wellman for the fact that we are rebuilding and it is a painful process - those wer Buzz's marching orders. I think it is hard to complain about the coaching this year. The rebuilding process is starting to gain traction, I don't think it is time to tear it up and start over again because you didn't like the selection or process 3 years ago. Just my opinion.

Schwabber89 wrote:

rjkarl wrote:

• His record is the worst of any coach who lasted three years at Wake Forest in over ONE HUNDRED YEARS of Deacon basketball
• His end of game coaching has cost us having a winning season this year
• He is absolutely awful with the press
• During his first four recruiting seasons we got ZERO Top 60 players
• He commits the cardinal sin of coaching by blaming not himself for failures
• The program went from #1 to laughingstock in five years

Those are just six of the reasons.

I'd love to hear a justification for not firing him.

First, I'll say I was personally expecting about 7 ACC wins this year hoping for a little better. I think that is higher than most of the media and on this board. Still possible, but looking like we'll probably end up with 6. We could have easily won a couple more (Va Tech, Duke, BC, and Ga Tech). You can say coaching cost us those games, personally I think we arguably got hosed in all those games. Clearly CJ got fouled at the end in VaTech. Was CJ to the hoop a bad end of game call? Far better than probable ACC coach of the year Laranga's call yesterday to settle for a crap 3, rather than let Larkin go to the hoop with 20 seconds left.

So to address the points RJ -

The slide from #1 started with Dino, as we finished what, about 25 that year, with 4 NBA players on the roster?

No one was winning anything with our roster the last 2 years and you know that. Bobby Knight might have won a handful more games.

Buzz has coached well enough to put us in a position to have a winning ACC season this year. Few of you expected that. We have 7 freshmen and no real center (recall we lost Daniel and Andre is developing).  

Hard to argue recruiting is not going pretty well with our current class, McClinton and Mitchell on the way.

Sure it has been up and down. We need to start winning on the road. The blow-outs are not acceptable. On the flip side, we had some big wins at home.

All in all, we made a ton of progress this year, even if the end result so far has been a  little disappointing in the W/L column. We are a couple calls away from being above everyone's expectations.

You can be pissed at Wellman for not hiring Shaka or whoever else you wanted or the process. Heck if we could hire Shaka today, I would of course not disagree. Blame Wellman for the fact that we are rebuilding and it is a painful process - those wer Buzz's marching orders. I think it is hard to complain about the coaching this year. The rebuilding process is starting to gain traction, I don't think it is time to tear it up and start over again because you didn't like the selection or process 3 years ago. Just my opinion.

Please explain the "ton of progress" in more detail.

This year's team would kick last year's team's butt.

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--- Schwabber89 wrote:

This year's team would kick last year's team's butt.

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That does not say very much sad to say.

This year's team is better than the last 2. No doubt about it. Question is could we have progressed faster and better under different leadership? Who can rejuvenate the program better Bzdelik or a different coach?

What in Bzdelik's history as a coach points to sustained success in the regular season and post-season? What in his history suggests he can lead us to an ACC championship and deep into the NCAA tournament? What evidence is there that he can get the fan base - students, alumni,etc. back?

Yesterday's crowd in general and student section in particular should remind people how every ACC game used to be? Unfortunately it took CP3, senior day for CJ, and lots of free tickets to the upper level to get that crowd that used to be routine.

Cocaine is a helluva drug

Bobby Knight would not have lost to Stetson or Presby..  I'm fairly confident in that.  No factual basis, other than the belief that he would have found a way to win and or the players would have been too scared to lose.

Deacon92 wrote: Bobby Knight would not have lost to Stetson or Presby..  I'm fairly confident in that.  No factual basis, other than the belief that he would have found a way to win and or the players would have been too scared to lose.

Point well taken '92.

Bob Knight nor a competent middle school JV would have lost to VT, Seton Hall, BC or GT this year. They wouldn't have lost ANY of those games. 

Schwabber, you need better drugs.

Schwabber89 wrote:

rjkarl wrote:

• His record is the worst of any coach who lasted three years at Wake Forest in over ONE HUNDRED YEARS of Deacon basketball
• His end of game coaching has cost us having a winning season this year
• He is absolutely awful with the press
• During his first four recruiting seasons we got ZERO Top 60 players
• He commits the cardinal sin of coaching by blaming not himself for failures
• The program went from #1 to laughingstock in five years

Those are just six of the reasons.

I'd love to hear a justification for not firing him.

First, I'll say I was personally expecting about 7 ACC wins this year hoping for a little better. I think that is higher than most of the media and on this board. Still possible, but looking like we'll probably end up with 6. We could have easily won a couple more (Va Tech, Duke, BC, and Ga Tech). You can say coaching cost us those games, personally I think we arguably got hosed in all those games. Clearly CJ got fouled at the end in VaTech. Was CJ to the hoop a bad end of game call? Far better than probable ACC coach of the year Laranga's call yesterday to settle for a crap 3, rather than let Larkin go to the hoop with 20 seconds left.

So to address the points RJ -

The slide from #1 started with Dino, as we finished what, about 25 that year, with 4 NBA players on the roster?

No one was winning anything with our roster the last 2 years and you know that. Bobby Knight might have won a handful more games.

Buzz has coached well enough to put us in a position to have a winning ACC season this year. Few of you expected that. We have 7 freshmen and no real center (recall we lost Daniel and Andre is developing).  

Hard to argue recruiting is not going pretty well with our current class, McClinton and Mitchell on the way.

Sure it has been up and down. We need to start winning on the road. The blow-outs are not acceptable. On the flip side, we had some big wins at home.

All in all, we made a ton of progress this year, even if the end result so far has been a  little disappointing in the W/L column. We are a couple calls away from being above everyone's expectations.

You can be pissed at Wellman for not hiring Shaka or whoever else you wanted or the process. Heck if we could hire Shaka today, I would of course not disagree. Blame Wellman for the fact that we are rebuilding and it is a painful process - those wer Buzz's marching orders. I think it is hard to complain about the coaching this year. The rebuilding process is starting to gain traction, I don't think it is time to tear it up and start over again because you didn't like the selection or process 3 years ago. Just my opinion.

Old coach's adage: when you consistently lose close games at the end, it's on the coach.

Your logic is weak elsewhere too. Tons of progress? What do you mean? Fewer blowouts? Fewer road wins than last year's single road win?

You should stick to schwabbing the decks. Just about everybody's opinion.

Dan Collins, W-S Journal 03/03/2013:  "Nevertheless, Coach Bzdelik bristled when asked if Wake Forest lost to a team {Maryland} that showed more scrappiness and desperation. 'No, not all,' Bzdelik said, 'No. Not at all.' 'It was a hard-fought game. They {Maryland} just played a little bit better. No. We were just as desperate as them, and I take offense to that, to be quite frank. Next question.'"

And McKie contradicts Bz's assessment: "They definitely did," McKie said when asked if the Terps out-scrapped the Deacons. "They're big. On rebounds, everybody's in there fighting, and they just tip it out, and they're getting after it. You could tell they wanted a road win bad, and they got it."

Sounds like trouble in paradise! Bz's striking back at DC ... is it a sign of desperation on his part ... the pressure must be building ... trying to save his own job.

Also heard yesterday that a WFU employee has been asking players if they are satisfied with Bz. Some "yes" and some "no". Are transfers coming if Bz gets another year?