mattrex wrote: Dino was on 610 today and was very professional when asked about Wake and his firing. He said he and Skip realized that you have to recruit NBA talent to be successful in the ACC. He said that this is more important than ever with the addition of Cuse, Pitt, and Lville.

81deac wrote: If you can't see that what Dino started with the two and done's has lot to do with on and off the court problems in our program, then not sure there can be a good discussion on this.  I don't put that on Skip because I think that Skip was a remarkable man in terms of his mentoring of players, and nothing against Dino, but I didn't see he was Skip in that regard.

Yes, you need NBA talent more often than not to go deep in the tourney.  As Reff put it well, we've done that in the past and we can do it in the future, without doing what Dino did, which was recruit those guys and then let their attitudes run the team.  (Which took us out of the tourney a couple times recently).  Not only that, but until someone shows me that Wake can reload on one or two and done players like the other programs some wish to emulate, you're going to see a roller coaster at best.  Not to mention that doing the one and done or two and done rent a player thing compromises some values that most Wake alums hold dear.  Some we've laughed about the goats not holding dear for the last 3-4 years.

IMO, the model that Wake will have most success with is getting a very solid base of sound players and having the Rodney Rogers, Chill, Danny Young, Josh Howard guys that aren't the base and recruiting strategy of the whole program, but bring it to another level.  We can win from that level.  

If you're thinking that we should try to recruit against Dook and UNC who we've rarely won battles with head to head, and that's the only way we can win, then good luck.  

This is not a defense of Bz, by the way, no matter how we approach building a winner, you've got to have the coach who can pull it off.  I just don't like the idea that Wake should try to build success primarily on early entry guys because I don't think we can consistently bring them in and hold to what Wake stands for.

Ibleedgoldandblack wrote: Remind me again what off court problems we actually had while Dino was our coach.

I thought Dino was a poor coach that wasn't going to take us to where I wanted us to go (Final four/competing for National Championships), but the character assassination he has endured since he was fired is nothing short of despicable.

ChrisL68 wrote: Player attitudes with players that Skip originally recruited that played under Dino= Dino's fault.
Player issues with players that Dino originally recruited that played under Bzdelik= Dino's fault.

This is the Obama method for shirking blame that Buzz-in'ers are using.  Blame everything on the person that came before you even though you have been running things for several years.

81deac wrote: If you can't see that what Dino started with the two and done's has lot to do with on and off the court problems in our program, then not sure there can be a good discussion on this.  I don't put that on Skip because I think that Skip was a remarkable man in terms of his mentoring of players, and nothing against Dino, but I didn't see he was Skip in that regard.