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For those talking about such great signs of improvement....
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:29 AM
For those talking about such great signs of improvement....
*Outrebounded 40-24. That is beyond poor.
*UVA beyond cold from outside going 0-8 from 3 land before the final couple mins. and thankfully Nolte thought he was Curtis Staples. Otherwise we lose that game.
*Disappointed Bzz didn't put Washington in for 2-3 mins. in 1st half after Tobey's back to back easy buckets where he turns and shoots uncontested 2-3 footers. I think Washington could have challenged him and thrown Tobey out of his rhythm. Got to at least give him a try as up to that point Devin was largely ineffective inside. If so we have a much bigger lead in 1st half.
*What is Moto doing out there when we know we are going to get fouled. If he is, at least have him picking for other teammates and not flashing to get open????
*What is Moto doing fouling intentionally when we are up??? Signs of poor coaching on both fronts. If going to rely on frosh @ end you better be sure they are clear on what they are to do.
Overall I will say there were signs of improvement and really liked the on the ball pressure we were able to put on the ball creating a # of TOs, but middling UVA team had an off night and not getting overly hyped on this one.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:38 AM
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This is also the team that is 0-3 in the CAA including a loss to 2-13 ODU. I'll take the win but we need to put it in perspective.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:45 AM
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Also went to Wisconsin and beat the Badgers. Beat UNC the other night.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:48 AM
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at least it was a game worth watching since I dont know when
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:50 AM
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You mean if they had hit more 3's they could have won? Interesting theory.
UVA beat UNC and at Wisconsin. They are a tough team. This was not a thing of beauty to be sure, but at the point we were up by 14 with 10 mins to go, we looked much improved. The last 10 mins was bad, especially rebounding. Just need to keep our heads down and keep plugging away.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:52 AM
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Funny how many posts I've read on these boards about what a great Coach Tony Bennett is and then when we beat his team again we have to put the win in "perspective".
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:05 AM
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You people live a sad existence. No matter what we do all you can see is the negative. We played well for 30 minutes you can't dispute that. We stunk on offense for 10 minutes but managed to win with defense. You can always find something negative in anything. I know it is hard for some of you but just ry and enjoy the win would you? Pathetic.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:16 AM
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To shorten the original post:
"For those talking about such great signs of improvement....
Overall I will say there were signs of improvement."
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:17 AM
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nvadeac wrote: You people live a sad existence. No matter what we do all you can see is the negative. We played well for 30 minutes you can't dispute that. We stunk on offense for 10 minutes but managed to win with defense. You can always find something negative in anything. I know it is hard for some of you but just ry and enjoy the win would you? Pathetic. Pretty much this. Do I think Bz is the answer to our basketball program? No. I also know that we aren't going to fire him now so there's no point in beating the dead horse. What I do know for certain is that it is 100% better for our program to start winning ASAP no matter who the coach is so I'm going to continue to catch every game and look for improvement in every game. The more wins we have the better we look to recruits and the quicker we get out of this funk. Unfortunately we have a lot of fans that would rather see us go 1-15 in conference to get rid of Bz than have a solid season because they don't want to be "proven wrong" about Bz. |
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:18 AM
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salteydeac wrote: *Outrebounded 40-24. That is beyond poor.
*UVA beyond cold from outside going 0-8 from 3 land before the final couple mins. and thankfully Nolte thought he was Curtis Staples. Otherwise we lose that game.
*Disappointed Bzz didn't put Washington in for 2-3 mins. in 1st half after Tobey's back to back easy buckets where he turns and shoots uncontested 2-3 footers. I think Washington could have challenged him and thrown Tobey out of his rhythm. Got to at least give him a try as up to that point Devin was largely ineffective inside. If so we have a much bigger lead in 1st half.
*What is Moto doing out there when we know we are going to get fouled. If he is, at least have him picking for other teammates and not flashing to get open????
*What is Moto doing fouling intentionally when we are up??? Signs of poor coaching on both fronts. If going to rely on frosh @ end you better be sure they are clear on what they are to do.
Overall I will say there were signs of improvement and really liked the on the ball pressure we were able to put on the ball creating a # of TOs, but middling UVA team had an off night and not getting overly hyped on this one. Having problems does not mean there are fewer problems. In the UVa game, they were different problems than we saw in the Duke game, and they will probably be different problems in the BC game. It'll happen. A couple of observations that I liked from the game: UVa had killed it from 3 the other night against UNC. The Deacs took that away from them and forced them to play for 2's. We can blame poor shooting, but there was some really good D being played, too. Even on the makes, the UVa shooters were contested. In fact, the makes were prayers which got answered. Ball pressure, which you mentioned, was great. Really frustrated a team that relies on frustrating others. Bz commented on the Moto foul at the end. He didn't call for it, but he said he didn't yell at Moto, either. He recognized that it was a coaching moment and took time to explain why it was a bad idea. We'll probably see more mistakes like that, but I like how it was handled. Fortunately, it worked out great as they missed the front end and the Deacs rebounded ... just like Moto planned. Like you mentioned, rebounding was terrible. This was a strength against Dook. I guess we traded one good for a bad. I wondered about Washington, too, but I don't go to practice. I don't know if he would have been useful against Tobey, or not. Hindsight says he would, but it may have made things worse. As it was, the Deacs had a 7 point lead at the half, and a 3 point lead at the end. Ultimately, that's what matters. |
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:26 AM
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ANY win right now is big for us. I don't care how we do it or how ugly it is. We held a good 3-point shooting team to a night they'd like to forget. We may not have have made a FG the last 10:22 or whatever but we did enough to win. That's all that matters. The scoreboard doesn't show how it was done.
Having said that....the team played "not to lose" the last 10+ minutes and it nearly cost them. When we're ahead and have a team down, we need to put the hammer down and finish them off. We need to learn to finish games.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:35 AM
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We are not a good team, and we are going to have some bad moments this season (and hopefully some good ones). But we have certainly improved over the beginning of the season, and over where we have been the last two years. I hope that improvement continues.
Last edited 1/10/2013 10:35 AM by Davidson Deac II
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:45 AM
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Hey like I said when Buzz spoke to me on campus he told me he was building the foundation for our program and he was going to take us to the top, and the man had the look in his eyes like he meant every word of it and believes it 100%. Last night what saltydeac stats are true, and we are no were near were we need to be to be able to win on a nightly basis in the ACC if that team plays halfway up to par! I give the players, and coaches credit for the winning the game, and I'm the happiest man in the world today that we won, but we all must still look into the mirror and ask ourselves theses questions 1. Can Buzz consistently throughout the years be a coach that can recruit top talent to come and play at Wake? 2. Can Buzz get the fan base, and students energized enough to start filling the Joel back up and make it a hard place to play like Skip did? 3. Can Buzz year in year out have our team in the upper half of the league competing for the ACC regular season Title? 4. Can Buzz win us a few ACC Tournament Championship, or get us in the NCAA tournament
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:50 AM
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Buz is our coach for this season. We have 7 freshmen playing hard and learning. Defense last night was the best effort I have seen in years. Leave the negativity out until the season is over. If we have not seen significant improvement at that time, then go at it. Let them play and learn, you might just like what you see.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:52 AM
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salteydeac wrote: *Outrebounded 40-24. That is beyond poor. WE DONT HAVE A ACC READY CENTER YET AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.ITS NOT A SECRET. ALL THE PIECES ARE NOT THERE YET.
*UVA beyond cold from outside going 0-8 from 3 land before the final couple mins. and thankfully Nolte thought he was Curtis Staples. Otherwise we lose that game. THEY WERE COLD BECAUSE OUR DEFENSE WAS AMAZING. WERE YOU AT THE GAME AND IF SO WE GOTTA GET YOU BETTER SEATS?
*Disappointed Bzz didn't put Washington in for 2-3 mins. in 1st half after Tobey's back to back easy buckets where he turns and shoots uncontested 2-3 footers. I think Washington could have challenged him and thrown Tobey out of his rhythm. Got to at least give him a try as up to that point Devin was largely ineffective inside. If so we have a much bigger lead in 1st half. DEVIN INEFFECTIVE INSIDE??? OH MY GOODNESS,I QUIT!!! ARE YOU KIDDING? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES HE FRONTED MEN TO KEEP THERE LENGTHY GUYS FROM GETTING DUMP DOWN LAY UPS? HES PLAYING THE 4 and 5 WITH LIMITED HEIGHT AND DOING A GREAT JOB. WASHINGTON IS A PROJECT, AWESOME KID BUT SINCE THE RECRUITING LUNCHEON IT WAS STATED AND EVERYONE KNEW HE IS A COUPLE YEARS AWAY.
*What is Moto doing out there when we know we are going to get fouled. If he is, at least have him picking for other teammates and not flashing to get open???? AGREE HAVING MOTO TO PICK,NICE CALL. AGAIN THOUGH DONT KNOW IF YOU WERE THERE BUT TRAVIS WAS MOTO'S 4TH OPTION AND THAT IS WHERE HE HAD TO GO. TRUST ME TRAVIS TRIED OPTIONS 1-3 BUT YOU ONLY GET 4 SECONDS TO GET IT IN.... AS FAR AS MOTO BEING ON THE FLOOR IN THAT SITUATION I AGREE WITH YOU BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE OF TWO THINGS ON THAT THROW IN 1.) SPEED OR 2.) SIZE. - WHEN THE PASS COMES IN YOU BETTER BE STRONG ENOUGH TO HOLD ON TO IT AND HE WAS.
*What is Moto doing fouling intentionally when we are up??? Signs of poor coaching on both fronts. If going to rely on frosh @ end you better be sure they are clear on what they are to do. COACH IMMEDIATLY CALLED MOTO OUT AND COACHED HIM UP ON THE SIDELINE. ITS NOT LIKE HE HIGH 5'D HIM OR BETTER YET CHEST BUMPED HIM WHN HE CAME OUT. HE STOPPED HIM AND COACHED HIM. I ALSO DONT BELIEVE IT WAS INTENTIONAL I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO TIE IT UP ALL BE IT FROM A BAD ANGLE,LOL
Overall I will say there were signs of improvement and really liked the on the ball pressure we were able to put on the ball creating a # of TOs, but middling UVA team had an off night and not getting overly hyped on this one.
SO ARE YOUR SAYING YOU ONLY GET HYPED WHEN WE ARE DOING GOOD ? HUMMMMMM THAT SOUNDS LIKE A ........... |
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:58 AM
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Buzz picked his poison last night. On TV, they talked about before the game, Buzz said he decided not to double down in the post and chose to defend the perimeter. This contributed to Tobey getting a lot of his points as well as UVA being cold from 3-point land. Ideally, would Devin have played Tobey better, yes. I would have liked to have seen a few good offensive sets in the last 10 minutes leading to a few buckets but we had that for 30 minutes and played solid D.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 11:11 AM
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section2overalls wrote:
salteydeac wrote: *Outrebounded 40-24. That is beyond poor. WE DONT HAVE A ACC READY CENTER YET AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.ITS NOT A SECRET. ALL THE PIECES ARE NOT THERE YET.
*UVA beyond cold from outside going 0-8 from 3 land before the final couple mins. and thankfully Nolte thought he was Curtis Staples. Otherwise we lose that game. THEY WERE COLD BECAUSE OUR DEFENSE WAS AMAZING. WERE YOU AT THE GAME AND IF SO WE GOTTA GET YOU BETTER SEATS?
*Disappointed Bzz didn't put Washington in for 2-3 mins. in 1st half after Tobey's back to back easy buckets where he turns and shoots uncontested 2-3 footers. I think Washington could have challenged him and thrown Tobey out of his rhythm. Got to at least give him a try as up to that point Devin was largely ineffective inside. If so we have a much bigger lead in 1st half. DEVIN INEFFECTIVE INSIDE??? OH MY GOODNESS,I QUIT!!! ARE YOU KIDDING? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES HE FRONTED MEN TO KEEP THERE LENGTHY GUYS FROM GETTING DUMP DOWN LAY UPS? HES PLAYING THE 4 and 5 WITH LIMITED HEIGHT AND DOING A GREAT JOB. WASHINGTON IS A PROJECT, AWESOME KID BUT SINCE THE RECRUITING LUNCHEON IT WAS STATED AND EVERYONE KNEW HE IS A COUPLE YEARS AWAY.
*What is Moto doing out there when we know we are going to get fouled. If he is, at least have him picking for other teammates and not flashing to get open???? AGREE HAVING MOTO TO PICK,NICE CALL. AGAIN THOUGH DONT KNOW IF YOU WERE THERE BUT TRAVIS WAS MOTO'S 4TH OPTION AND THAT IS WHERE HE HAD TO GO. TRUST ME TRAVIS TRIED OPTIONS 1-3 BUT YOU ONLY GET 4 SECONDS TO GET IT IN.... AS FAR AS MOTO BEING ON THE FLOOR IN THAT SITUATION I AGREE WITH YOU BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE OF TWO THINGS ON THAT THROW IN 1.) SPEED OR 2.) SIZE. - WHEN THE PASS COMES IN YOU BETTER BE STRONG ENOUGH TO HOLD ON TO IT AND HE WAS.
*What is Moto doing fouling intentionally when we are up??? Signs of poor coaching on both fronts. If going to rely on frosh @ end you better be sure they are clear on what they are to do. COACH IMMEDIATLY CALLED MOTO OUT AND COACHED HIM UP ON THE SIDELINE. ITS NOT LIKE HE HIGH 5'D HIM OR BETTER YET CHEST BUMPED HIM WHN HE CAME OUT. HE STOPPED HIM AND COACHED HIM. I ALSO DONT BELIEVE IT WAS INTENTIONAL I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO TIE IT UP ALL BE IT FROM A BAD ANGLE,LOL
Overall I will say there were signs of improvement and really liked the on the ball pressure we were able to put on the ball creating a # of TOs, but middling UVA team had an off night and not getting overly hyped on this one.
SO ARE YOUR SAYING YOU ONLY GET HYPED WHEN WE ARE DOING GOOD ? HUMMMMMM THAT SOUNDS LIKE A ........... 1. I can't even read your jibberish. You remind me of Rulz. 2. You cannot use lack of a Center as an excuse. The pieces will never be there! Buzz has chosen not to pursue one. 2014 offers: 1SF, 3PG (because we really need those) |
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Posted: 1/10/2013 11:13 AM
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We are well on our way back to the top! It may take another year or so, but we are heading in the right direction. I see great signs of improvement, and I am back on the Buzzwagon!
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Posted: 1/10/2013 11:34 AM
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We looked better as a team than earlier in the season which is to be expected with young players, but UVa also looked very flat and has a long history of losing at Wake so it's really hard to judge. I'm not sure that game is a great indicator, but at least we were good enough to win. We'll see.
The lack of a C killed us and has been pointed out by many....we aren't even recruiting one. That's very bizarre and to date has no explanation. If it's strategic, Bz should let us know the rationale.
Unless someone else steps up, we're going to get killed without CJ next year. We don't seem to have much scoring outside of McKie and CJ.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 11:35 AM
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Yes Devin was effective in 2nd half and overall BUT LARGELY ineffective in 1st half for a long spell.
From the 14min. in the 1st half to the 4min. mark Devin had ZERO rebounds, one dunk and 2 TOs while Tobey had 5 buckets and a # of offensive rebounds during the same stretch. Not sure you can be more outplayed than that.
I love Devin and what he brings to the table but even a 7 foot project thrown out there for a few mins. who can clog the middle and take away 2nd chance shots could have been very effective and worth seeing what Washington could bring even if only for a 2-3 min. spell. Plenty of other 7 foot projects that help their team by doing just that without expecting to produce on the offensive end and when we face teams with legit 6'10" to 7 footers I think we need to see if Washington can prove serviceable by helping clog the middle and take away the easy inside scores and at least mix it up between a real tall big and a smaller quicker forward like DT. Ultimately can make Devin more effective by getting other bigs out of rhythm. Especially if our other big options aren't contributing on offensive end.
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