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Who Should Our Next BB Coach Be?

Posted: 12/30/2012 1:36 PM

Who Should Our Next BB Coach Be? 


Any thoughts?  Do we go after a very successful mid-major coach or do we go after a coach in a BCS League we can afford.  I think some of the high level mid-major coaches already make as much or more as Bzzz, so we may have trouble luring some of those coaches. 

1. We need someone who we know can quickly turn around what is becoming one of the worst basketball programs in the country at our level. 

2. We need someone who will NOT alienate the fanbase or the communtiy. 

3. We also need someone with A PROVEN TRACK RECORD, unlike the last coach we hired.

Thoughts?
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Posted: 12/30/2012 1:38 PM

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Shaka Smart
Steve Alford
Brad Stevens (less likely than the other two)
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Posted: 12/30/2012 1:43 PM

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rjkarl wrote: Shaka Smart
Steve Alford
Brad Stevens (less likely than the other two)

Stevens is at the top of my list but I don't think we can get him.  Smart may be almost equally difficult.  Both of those will be very expensive hires.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 1:48 PM

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We have the money and we have to spend it. If we don't sign a name coach, Wellman should also be fired.

We have a realistic shot with Shaka if we are will to give him $3M/8-10 years. 

If we don't get Shaka, we should be willing to pay Alford. We might get into a bidding war with UCLA if the Bruins don't make a decent run. 

Stevens is the longest shot. But we should offer.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 2:26 PM

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What is your basis for believing we have a real shot at Smart?

I hope you are right, but my view is Wellman ought to go--exhibit A is the hiring of the manifestly unqualified Bzdelick. I don't want to have to experience exhibit B.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 2:36 PM

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We'd have to pay mega-bucks for Smart or Alford or Stevens. 

The two schools Smart turned down (State and IL) are pretty much alike; huge schools, modest academics and no real feel to them. 

Shaka would like to coach at a high major that has good academics that could be his last stop. 

It would a lot of money. I was told last year his number was about $25-2.8M. This year it will need to be over $3M and for at least eight years. 

The length is totally irrelevant unless you expect him to fail. Once he does well, he'll get it extended.

Alford wants back in the big leagues. New Mexico will never be that. The one negative is his son signed at NM this year.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 3:03 PM

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Bad information, Alford is very happy at New Mexico and won't leave after a major renovation to the Pit. Both of his sons will be at NM next year.
Smart would be my top choice, likes smaller schools. I'd also look at Lehigh's coach Brett Reed. Finally, while some won't agree - I'd take Pat Kelsey
back in a heartbeat - his enthusiasm alone would be a huge improvement from the current situation. Wellman really dropped the ball by not pursuing John Groce a few years back. 

The sad thing is the value of the WF job has dropped tremendously over the past 3 years. Wellman's handling of things coupled with conference realignments, and a fractured fanbase does not make this an attractive job at present.

Last edited 12/30/2012 3:06 PM by ImissRandolph

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Posted: 12/30/2012 3:52 PM

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I think we are still a very attractive job. Wake and the ACC have some great history that I think many coaches still respect and some would love to reconstruct and be a part of. I think legacy is definitely an important factor for coaches. It also isn't that many years ago that Wellman was thought of as a coaches' AD and he has been (still is?) well-respected among NCAA circles. We also have one of the best PF and PG of all time currently playing in the league marketing our brand name. 
So, yeah, I think we are still a very attractive job. 
Reality is that most schools we would compete with for hires have a lot bigger accounts to throw at prospective coaches. So if someone is so great and can't-miss that we should throw the bank at them, there are other bigger banks out there that will also pursue. 

I don't consider Stevens to be a realistic option. He is THE top coach not at a current top job (UNC/DUKE/KU/UK/UCLA/IU). If he can be lured away from Butler by new opportunity or money it will be at a level that Wake can't match, without an inside track that I don't believe that we have. I would love LOVE to have him. So would almost EVERYONE else, including some of those tops jobs above. We are not that special. Sure, make the call, Ron. But if anyone is considering him a realistic option, I think you are only fantasizing. 

I, personally, would love Shaka. I love the whole package for many reasons. I think his sideline demeanor would be a great contrast to reengergize our atmosphere and signal a new chapter. He is a good fit and that contrast will be important to our fan base. Perhaps he is an option. If he is, we should do anything reasonable to get him here. While many will love his sideline intensity and activity, his teams are much more Odomesque than I think many wishful Wake fans realize. It would be interesting to see the comments on his style after the initial honeymoon period if he is not maintaining unprecedented success. 

I don't really want to see any more "well, he is better than Bz" comments justifying coaches. Better than the last 2 years is an irrelevant mark, IMO. I am not looking for someone that is just "not Bz". 

It will be interesting to see what happens this off-season barring a very unexpected turnaround this season.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 4:07 PM

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ImissRandolph wrote: Bad information, Alford is very happy at New Mexico and won't leave after a major renovation to the Pit. Both of his sons will be at NM next year.
Smart would be my top choice, likes smaller schools. I'd also look at Lehigh's coach Brett Reed. Finally, while some won't agree - I'd take Pat Kelsey
back in a heartbeat - his enthusiasm alone would be a huge improvement from the current situation. Wellman really dropped the ball by not pursuing John Groce a few years back. 

The sad thing is the value of the WF job has dropped tremendously over the past 3 years. Wellman's handling of things coupled with conference realignments, and a fractured fanbase does not make this an attractive job at present.
This can be fixed immediately with the right hire. The demise of the Big East will help us.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 4:17 PM

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agreed, I just don't trust Wellman to capitalize on it
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Posted: 12/30/2012 4:35 PM

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Got it on very good authority that Anthony Grant will be available soon. Maybe he's tired of coaching at a football school.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:13 PM

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Anthony Grant will be available because he's really not a great coaching prospect.  He was a a media darling, a young African American coach with a lucky run on TV.  The Alabama job was a tough one for many reasons, but other coaches have found a way to win there, and at other SEC schools....Grant hasn't done anything to move the needle there.  So what would he bring to a Wake Forest program headed toward the bottom third of our conference after ND, Syracuse, Louisville and Pitt join the ACC.....not enough.

Shaka Smart would at least bring the actual experience of winning plus the young black coach cache.  Neither though, is a young coach on the same level as Brad Stevens.  Stevens has already proven that he can take players the big schools pass over, and teach 'em to play winning basketball together.  That's the kind of coach we must have, 'cause we will rarely get the top 50 type players no matter who the coach is.

Agree with those who think Stevens is an impossibility, but a coach of his pedigree must be the goal.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:15 PM

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You guys don't remember the other next coach thread from last week?
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:18 PM

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Brad Stevens.

Check the Stevens to wake thread!
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:18 PM

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OldBlackAndGold wrote: You guys don't remember the other next coach thread from last week?
Here's the thread in question.  Surprised there isn't a mention of Gregg Marshall in this one yet.

Also, I disagree with fusiondad about Grant not being a great coaching prospect: 3 seasons and 3 regular season CAA titles at VCU.  12-4 in the SEC West in 2010-11 with an NIT runner-up, and then made the NCAAs last year.  He's building at Alabama, which is a tough place to build a basketball program.

Last edited 12/30/2012 9:50 PM by Chrispy

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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:25 PM

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RepeatDeac wrote: I think we are still a very attractive job. Wake and the ACC have some great history that I think many coaches still respect and some would love to reconstruct and be a part of. I think legacy is definitely an important factor for coaches. It also isn't that many years ago that Wellman was thought of as a coaches' AD and he has been (still is?) well-respected among NCAA circles. We also have one of the best PF and PG of all time currently playing in the league marketing our brand name. 
So, yeah, I think we are still a very attractive job. 
Reality is that most schools we would compete with for hires have a lot bigger accounts to throw at prospective coaches. So if someone is so great and can't-miss that we should throw the bank at them, there are other bigger banks out there that will also pursue. 

I don't consider Stevens to be a realistic option. He is THE top coach not at a current top job (UNC/DUKE/KU/UK/UCLA/IU). If he can be lured away from Butler by new opportunity or money it will be at a level that Wake can't match, without an inside track that I don't believe that we have. I would love LOVE to have him. So would almost EVERYONE else, including some of those tops jobs above. We are not that special. Sure, make the call, Ron. But if anyone is considering him a realistic option, I think you are only fantasizing. 

I, personally, would love Shaka. I love the whole package for many reasons. I think his sideline demeanor would be a great contrast to reengergize our atmosphere and signal a new chapter. He is a good fit and that contrast will be important to our fan base. Perhaps he is an option. If he is, we should do anything reasonable to get him here. While many will love his sideline intensity and activity, his teams are much more Odomesque than I think many wishful Wake fans realize. It would be interesting to see the comments on his style after the initial honeymoon period if he is not maintaining unprecedented success. 

I don't really want to see any more "well, he is better than Bz" comments justifying coaches. Better than the last 2 years is an irrelevant mark, IMO. I am not looking for someone that is just "not Bz". 

It will be interesting to see what happens this off-season barring a very unexpected turnaround this season.

Thanks for that very informative and interesting post.  I noticed you used the term "Odomesque" when describing Smart.  Quite frankly, I'm ok with that.  I know things ended a little ugly, but Dave gave me (and many others) many fond memories during his time here.  Sitting in the Greensboro Coliseum for the ACC Championship Games in '95 and '96 are 2 of them.  Many of our fans tend to forget Odom turned our program around in the early 90s.  I thought it was time for him to leave when he did, but he also led us to the top during some very memorable years.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:30 PM

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fusiondad10 wrote: Anthony Grant will be available because he's really not a great coaching prospect.  He was a a media darling, a young African American coach with a lucky run on TV.  The Alabama job was a tough one for many reasons, but other coaches have found a way to win there, and at other SEC schools....Grant hasn't done anything to move the needle there.  So what would he bring to a Wake Forest program headed toward the bottom third of our conference after ND, Syracuse, Louisville and Pitt join the ACC.....not enough.

Alabama gave Grant a raise and an extension in late September. 

Shaka Smart would at least bring the actual experience of winning plus the young black coach cache.  Neither though, is a young coach on the same level as Brad Stevens.  Stevens has already proven that he can take players the big schools pass over, and teach 'em to play winning basketball together.  That's the kind of coach we must have, 'cause we will rarely get the top 50 type players no matter who the coach is.

Agree with those who think Stevens is an impossibility, but a coach of his pedigree must be the goal.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:38 PM

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Shaka Smart
Steve Alford
Brad Stevens (less likely than the other two)

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Any of these would be great especially Smart or Stevens.

How about Pat Kelsey.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 10:32 PM

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Smart or Stevens would be ideal but can't see either of them signing on to rebuild this level of disaster.

Brett Reed is probably the level of candidate that we're realistically looking at which would be an upgrade from Bz but far from a sure thing.

Whoever the coach is he needs to balance out the size of recruiting classes or this program is going to stay broken.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 10:53 PM

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rjkarl wrote: We have the money and we have to spend it. If we don't sign a name coach, Wellman should also be fired.

We have a realistic shot with Shaka if we are will to give him $3M/8-10 years. 

If we don't get Shaka, we should be willing to pay Alford. We might get into a bidding war with UCLA if the Bruins don't make a decent run. 

Stevens is the longest shot. But we should offer.
No chance at Shaka.  If he wouldn't go to NC State, he ain't coming to Wake Forest.  He makes over $1 mill living in Richmond and is very happy with no pressure.  Kind of like Grobe at Wake.  Why would Shaka want to come down here & beat his head against Duke & UNC-Ch all the time and now with a resurrected Wolfpack?
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