Held my opinion as putting down the coaches and/or players is counterproductive IMO.
But, this coaching staff has zero direction.  The players, outside of a few and they know who they are, dont seem to have any focus, energy, or heart. Putting the usual excuses aside, there is no leadership being shown by those on the field or sideline.  If our players have to be smarter than other program's, where does this give us an advantage?  To run the same 6 plays every series?  To give every receiver 5 yards to catch the ball before we are in position to defend?  It really is a great credit to our opponents for not hanging 100 points every game.  How many blowouts can we witness before something is done?  I honestly think our players have the talent to compete with most teams we schedule.  Down to Vandy 35-7 in the 3rd quarter? Really? Again, I don't think the players we have are bad kids or bad players.  They are not being coached well and have a defeatist attitude.  How about getting someone on staff to light the fire that our coaches talk so much about.  Guests motivators to give the pregame.  Something, anything,  Change is needed!!!!  If the current staff cannot do it, change is needed.  This is our last game of the season.  When will Ron call JG into his office to define this season as a colossal waist?  I really feel sorry for these kids.  To the adults, I please, do something about it.  Please!!!!!  Or maybe you should be replaced, voluntarily or not. Rant over, carry on.   

Duncandew, I agree, believe you me my voice has been heard on this very same subject, but it is all for nothing! Grobe has a contract threw 2016, in order for us to get rid of him it would cost Wake close to 8-10 Million, and thats not going to happen! So all that you can hope my friend is that Jim steps up in the off season, and does whats best for Wake Forest, wether thats retire, hire new cordinators, etc! We will just have to wait , and see what happens!

Wow this is an epic beatdown.  By a lower tier SEC team, at home, with a bowl bid at stake.  Pathetic.

55-14

3 million for this

+1

Yep, something needs to give.

Agreed, Cary. It is only fair to consider the decimated Oline. But that does not explain all the awful we are seeing. I know we would benefit from extra practice but I am not sure I can stand another beat down if we get a 5-7 bowl.

there is only one logical option.  fire the AD.  hire an AD who can make an intelligent unemotional decision with the coaching staffs.   Wellman has far too much baggage to make a rational decision.

NewBern, what are you suggesting Wellman should have done prior to this football season to prevent this and what "baggage" prevented him from doing it?

Jim Grobe's 12th year as head coach.  James Franklin's 2nd year as head coach.  James Franklin would instantly make Wake Forest a better football team.  Our seats are right behind the visiting team and he is fun to watch in action (this year and last year).  Very engaged and enthusiastic.  I will be very interested in seeing what coaching moves Wake Forest makes in the off-season.  It will be nothing short of surreal if none are made.  That would prove our acceptance of mediocrity amidst a fat head coaching paycheck.

We've been outscored 186-68 in our last 5 games.  And that doesn't factor in the mercy rule that has thankfully been imposed by several of our opposing coaches.

Wow, Cary, I didn't No that STAT, I think I will climb in my bed and pull my covers over my head, and never leave!

MocksvilleDeac wrote: Wow, Cary, I didn't No that STAT, I think I will climb in my bed and pull my covers over my head, and never leave!

and thrown in there is a 28-14 win over hapless BC!

Please no flukey bowl game. I really dont want to watch anymore. Similar to looking at a wreck. Dont want to but do anyway.

I agree 100% with everyone that has responded to this post. As I said earlier, I would be willing to bet that no changes will be made to the coaching staff. Grobe is complacent, knows that he's not going anywhere, and will use the injury excuse to not make any changes. He will not throw his OC or DC under the bus because he doesn't have to. I hope that if we are offered a bowl, we will do the right thing and decline.

Where is the accountability with WF athletics? We have President who seems to give 2 ***** about athletics - except when being honored by Notre Dame. We have an AD who is riding out this job to retirement with seemingly no regard for what his stockholders think. Where is the Board of Trustees? Where are the big donors?

It's one thing to lose - but the primary WF sports have become non-competitive and it's been that way for several years. Again, is there any accountability for those running the show here?

RepeatDeac wrote: NewBern, what are you suggesting Wellman should have done prior to this football season to prevent this and what "baggage" prevented him from doing it?

I did not expand thinking it was self evident.   First, we cant expect either of the coaches to simply resign.  Wellman's baggage is that he hired both fb and bb coaches and naturally is emotionally and logically tied to both decisions - digging deeper into a hole he created.   And he created the situation of Grobe's buyout.  Consider the freedom a new AD would have in choosing alternatives - even pressuring Grobe for Lobo's dismissal.  I did not imply what Wellman should have done prior to this season.  I am simply pointing to his "baggage" which prevents him from making rational decision in the very near future.

It's been said many ways but looking on TV at both coaches is a study in attitude.  Coach Grobe stands there with arms folded and a blank (my wife says-a depressed look) star while Vandy's coach is waling up and down the sidelines talking to players, other coaches and directing players on the field.  Coach Grobe I like what you've brought to Wake but it's time to retire.

and i am not saying to fire Grobe... too much money at stake.  But put a true fire under him..to the degree Grobe either corrects the situation or seriously considers retiring.  Will Wellman do that?  Not a chance.

NewBernDeac wrote:

RepeatDeac wrote: NewBern, what are you suggesting Wellman should have done prior to this football season to prevent this and what "baggage" prevented him from doing it?

I did not expand thinking it was self evident.   First, we cant expect either of the coaches to simply resign.  Wellman's baggage is that he hired both fb and bb coaches and naturally is emotionally and logically tied to both decisions - digging deeper into a hole he created.   And he created the situation of Grobe's buyout.  Consider the freedom a new AD would have in choosing alternatives - even pressuring Grobe for Lobo's dismissal.  I did not imply what Wellman should have done prior to this season.  I am simply pointing to his "baggage" which prevents him from making rational decision in the very near future.

ImissRandolph wrote: Where is the accountability with WF athletics? We have President who seems to give 2 ***** about athletics - except when being honored by Notre Dame. We have an AD who is riding out this job to retirement with seemingly no regard for what his stockholders think. Where is the Board of Trustees? Where are the big donors?

It's one thing to lose - but the primary WF sports have become non-competitive and it's been that way for several years. Again, is there any accountability for those running the show here?

Last year, Wake had the lowest finish in the NACDA Directors' Cup by an ACC school in 17 years. Donations are down. Attendance is down. The last major hire by Wellman was a colossal screwup from the start. Jim Caldwell's record his last four years was 17-28 (37.7%). Jim Grobe's record his last four years is 19-30 (38.8%). Our most visible sports are suffering some really embarrassing defeats.

Does anyone here really think that our athletic program is on the right path? Does anyone really expect things to turn around under Ron Wellman's leadership?