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Oliver North Worries We "May" Have Paid for Bergdahl

Posted: 6/5/2014 2:31 PM

Oliver North Worries We "May" Have Paid for Bergdahl 


Yes, that Oliver North!
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Posted: 6/5/2014 3:20 PM

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Well, he IS an expert on the subject. 

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Posted: 6/5/2014 3:46 PM

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ORDore wrote: Well, he IS an expert on the subject. 

The guy that funneled 100's of missiles to Iran in exchange of millions of dollars for "coke-fueled death squads" is gonna get all lecturey about five prisoners no one wants?
Ya think?
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Posted: 6/5/2014 4:16 PM

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5 very Dangerous convicts for 1 deserter......I love Greg Guttfeld and he compared this to sending BO to a car lot and coming back with a frisbee that he paid $25K for and said look Michelle what a great new car I just bought.

BO is the worst negotiator on the planet.eek1
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Posted: 6/5/2014 4:27 PM

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5 prisoners that were going to be exchanged at the end of the year anyway. Don't forget that part.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 4:28 PM

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cjdore wrote: 5 very Dangerous convicts for 1 deserter......I love Greg Guttfeld and he compared this to sending BO to a car lot and coming back with a frisbee that he paid $25K for and said look Michelle what a great new car I just bought.

BO is the worst negotiator on the planet.eek1
I agree... three is obviously the magic number.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 4:33 PM

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BILTMORE wrote:
cjdore wrote: 5 very Dangerous convicts for 1 deserter......I love Greg Guttfeld and he compared this to sending BO to a car lot and coming back with a frisbee that he paid $25K for and said look Michelle what a great new car I just bought.

BO is the worst negotiator on the planet.eek1
I agree... three is obviously the magic number.
I wouldn't even go that far Bilt.....one for one maybe. If they told Bo that they were going to kill Bergdahl if the trade for 5 was not made......I would have have said you kill him, I kill 5.....your choice.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 4:52 PM

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cjdore wrote:
BILTMORE wrote:
cjdore wrote: 5 very Dangerous convicts for 1 deserter......I love Greg Guttfeld and he compared this to sending BO to a car lot and coming back with a frisbee that he paid $25K for and said look Michelle what a great new car I just bought.

BO is the worst negotiator on the planet.eek1
I agree... three is obviously the magic number.
I wouldn't even go that far Bilt.....one for one maybe. If they told Bo that they were going to kill Bergdahl if the trade for 5 was not made......I would have have said you kill him, I kill 5.....your choice.

Then you're the worst negotiator on the planet. Nobody gets what they want is an OK outcome?

Newsflash:  the prisoners at Gitmo were interned without trial and no set time for release. Threatening to kill five of these political prisoners is not a threat we could or would ever make good on. They know this. So it's worthless and empty and would accomplish zilch. 

If President Obama had executed five prisoners at Gitmo in retaliation for Bergdahl, you would call that a success? 

Don't waste our time. There's nothing Obama can do that you'd agree with so don't act like there is. 


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Posted: 6/5/2014 4:54 PM

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BILTMORE wrote: Don't waste our time. There's nothing Obama can do that you'd agree with so don't act like there is. 



And, we have a winner. This sums it all up.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 5:45 PM

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Refresh my memory please

the prisoners at Gitmo were interned without trial and no set time for release. Threatening to kill five of these political prisoners is not a threat

Those at Gitmo were and are not "political prisoners".  There is no universally accepted definition for political prisoners. However, a political prisoner is generally defined as a person who is imprisoned for his or her political activities, particularly those who oppose or criticize the government of their countries.  They were and are enemy combatants captured during military engagements.  

Please tell us they were only "low level", tribesmen who were only protecting them selves from the warlords, and actually pose no threat once released and allowed to return to their herds and poppy fields.

And might I use a turn of you phrase, "There's nothing Obama can do that you'd agree with so don't act like there is." to say that there's nothing Obama can do with which you wouldn't agree.

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Posted: 6/5/2014 5:45 PM

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ORDore wrote: Well, [Oliver North] IS an expert on the subject. 
BILTMORE wrote: The guy that funneled 100's of missiles to Iran in exchange of millions of dollars for "coke-fueled death squads" is gonna get all lecturey about five prisoners no one wants?
Ya think?
Were you aware that part of what Ollie gave the Iranians 1500 (not merely "100's") missiles for, in addition to money for the Nicaraguan Contras, was that Iran would tell Hezbollah in Lebanon to release 8 civilian hostages? He negotiated with terrorists, as surely as Obama ever did.

And what happened to the 8 hostages? 3 were released, only to see Hezbollah seize an additional 3 replacement hostages. Eventually, Reagan & GHW Bush negotiated with those terrorists to have them all released.

Kinda funny that just a few weeks ago, posters here on the right were OK with Israel releasing 200 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for one Israeli solder held by Hezbollah. If Israel does it, it's a negotiating triumph; if it's Obama, it's a catastrophe.

The latest Army report on Bergdahl, by the way, is that he walked away from his posts in training in California & once earlier in Afghanistan. But both times he came back. Look, the guy was clearly a flake, & should have been drummed out of the US Army. But suddenly this idea, propagated if not generated by talking heads on the right, that he was deserting to join the Taliban looks pretty full of holes. The flake just liked to take midnight strolls in the mountains. That's not military discipline, but neither is it anti-American traitorhood.
They laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian. They're not laughing now. -Bob Monkhouse (1928-2003)
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Posted: 6/5/2014 5:54 PM

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BILTMORE wrote:
cjdore wrote:
BILTMORE wrote:
cjdore wrote: 5 very Dangerous convicts for 1 deserter......I love Greg Guttfeld and he compared this to sending BO to a car lot and coming back with a frisbee that he paid $25K for and said look Michelle what a great new car I just bought.

BO is the worst negotiator on the planet.eek1
I agree... three is obviously the magic number.
I wouldn't even go that far Bilt.....one for one maybe. If they told Bo that they were going to kill Bergdahl if the trade for 5 was not made......I would have have said you kill him, I kill 5.....your choice.

Then you're the worst negotiator on the planet. Nobody gets what they want is an OK outcome?

Newsflash:  the prisoners at Gitmo were interned without trial and no set time for release. Threatening to kill five of these political prisoners is not a threat we could or would ever make good on. They know this. So it's worthless and empty and would accomplish zilch. 

If President Obama had executed five prisoners at Gitmo in retaliation for Bergdahl, you would call that a success? 

Don't waste our time. There's nothing Obama can do that you'd agree with so don't act like there is. 


Bilt....if you only had a clue. I negotiate everyday of my life  These derelicts that we are at war with have been asking for these same 5 guys since 2009. Do you think they may be valuable to them? duh...They are war prisoners and not afforded due process....get over it. If the marines there will not shoot them....which I sincerely doubt.....call me and I will fly down and do it!!!

And if BO had negotiated like I suggested I would not be slamming him. I would have respected his backbone which we continue to see that he has none.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 8:22 PM

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MATheta wrote: Refresh my memory please

the prisoners at Gitmo were interned without trial and no set time for release. Threatening to kill five of these political prisoners is not a threat

Those at Gitmo were and are not "political prisoners".  There is no universally accepted definition for political prisoners. However, a political prisoner is generally defined as a person who is imprisoned for his or her political activities, particularly those who oppose or criticize the government of their countries.  OK so they're political prisoners as "generally defined" by some.  Or not, as narrowly defined by olthers. They were and are enemy combatants captured during military engagements.   So what?  We don't execute them either. 

Please tell us they were only "low level", tribesmen who were only protecting them selves from the warlords, and actually pose no threat once released and allowed to return to their herds and poppy fields. I never said any such blarney. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of getting into a an execution-off with "enemy combatants." There's absolutely no upside, leverage, or political equity  to be gained by killing them. None. We execute, they win bigger than whatever value these "enemy combatants" are going to be to "the movement" in the middle east.  You guys are like children playing cowboys and injuns. We've traded spies and prisoners with our enemies for years. Don't be so naive. 

And might I use a turn of you phrase, "There's nothing Obama can do that you'd agree with so don't act like there is." to say that there's nothing Obama can do with which you wouldn't agree. Wrong. But I'm not the one who's claiming they have better bad ideas for retrieving a solder and offloading prisoners. I'm just pointing out the incredibly obvious flaws with the "strategies" being proposed in this thread. 

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Posted: 6/5/2014 8:37 PM

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cjdore wrote:
BILTMORE wrote:
cjdore wrote:
BILTMORE wrote:
cjdore wrote: 5 very Dangerous convicts for 1 deserter......I love Greg Guttfeld and he compared this to sending BO to a car lot and coming back with a frisbee that he paid $25K for and said look Michelle what a great new car I just bought.

BO is the worst negotiator on the planet.eek1
I agree... three is obviously the magic number.
I wouldn't even go that far Bilt.....one for one maybe. If they told Bo that they were going to kill Bergdahl if the trade for 5 was not made......I would have have said you kill him, I kill 5.....your choice.

Then you're the worst negotiator on the planet. Nobody gets what they want is an OK outcome?

Newsflash:  the prisoners at Gitmo were interned without trial and no set time for release. Threatening to kill five of these political prisoners is not a threat we could or would ever make good on. They know this. So it's worthless and empty and would accomplish zilch. 

If President Obama had executed five prisoners at Gitmo in retaliation for Bergdahl, you would call that a success? 

Don't waste our time. There's nothing Obama can do that you'd agree with so don't act like there is. 


Bilt....if you only had a clue. I negotiate everyday of my life  These derelicts that we are at war with have been asking for these same 5 guys since 2009. Do you think they may be valuable to them? duh...They are war prisoners and not afforded due process....get over it. If the marines there will not shoot them....which I sincerely doubt.....call me and I will fly down and do it!!!

And if BO had negotiated like I suggested I would not be slamming him. I would have respected his backbone which we continue to see that he has none.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 8:59 PM

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BILTMORE wrote:
MATheta wrote: Refresh my memory please

the prisoners at Gitmo were interned without trial and no set time for release. Threatening to kill five of these political prisoners is not a threat

Those at Gitmo were and are not "political prisoners".  There is no universally accepted definition for political prisoners. However, a political prisoner is generally defined as a person who is imprisoned for his or her political activities, particularly those who oppose or criticize the government of their countries.  OK so they're political prisoners as "generally defined" by some.  Or not, as narrowly defined by olthers. They were and are enemy combatants captured during military engagements.   So what?  We don't execute them either. 

Please tell us they were only "low level", tribesmen who were only protecting them selves from the warlords, and actually pose no threat once released and allowed to return to their herds and poppy fields. I never said any such blarney. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of getting into a an execution-off with "enemy combatants." There's absolutely no upside, leverage, or political equity  to be gained by killing them. None. We execute, they win bigger than whatever value these "enemy combatants" are going to be to "the movement" in the middle east.  You guys are like children playing cowboys and injuns. We've traded spies and prisoners with our enemies for years. Don't be so naive. 

And might I use a turn of you phrase, "There's nothing Obama can do that you'd agree with so don't act like there is." to say that there's nothing Obama can do with which you wouldn't agree. Wrong. But I'm not the one who's claiming they have better bad ideas for retrieving a solder and offloading prisoners. I'm just pointing out the incredibly obvious flaws with the "strategies" being proposed in this thread. 
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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:19 PM

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BILTMORE wrote:
BILTMORE wrote:
MATheta wrote: Refresh my memory please

the prisoners at Gitmo were interned without trial and no set time for release. Threatening to kill five of these political prisoners is not a threat

Those at Gitmo were and are not "political prisoners".  There is no universally accepted definition for political prisoners. However, a political prisoner is generally defined as a person who is imprisoned for his or her political activities, particularly those who oppose or criticize the government of their countries.  OK so they're political prisoners as "generally defined" by some.  Or not, as narrowly defined by olthers. They were and are enemy combatants captured during military engagements.   So what?  We don't execute them either. If these same military prisoners were in the bush shooting at us we would shoot them dead without question. This does not change just because they are captured. Behave or die.

Please tell us they were only "low level", tribesmen who were only protecting them selves from the warlords, and actually pose no threat once released and allowed to return to their herds and poppy fields. I never said any such blarney. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of getting into a an execution-off with "enemy combatants." There's absolutely no upside, leverage, or political equity  to be gained by killing them. None. We execute, they win bigger than whatever value these "enemy combatants" are going to be to "the movement" in the middle east.  You guys are like children playing cowboys and injuns. We've traded spies and prisoners with our enemies for years. Don't be so naive. Maybe you in your infinite wisdom can tell us what Maybe you, in your infinite wisdom. can tell us what was gained by releasing 5 dangerous enemies back to their command for one lone deserter. The enemy now knows that we will cave to their demands and will be looking to gain a new capture. You liberals amaze me in your lack of understanding the real world
And might I use a turn of you phrase, "There's nothing Obama can do that you'd agree with so don't act like there is." to say that there's nothing Obama can do with which you wouldn't agree. Wrong. But I'm not the one who's claiming they have better bad ideas for retrieving a solder and offloading prisoners. I'm just pointing out the incredibly obvious flaws with the "strategies" being proposed in this thread. What did we gain by this exchange? Is the enemy now turning to our side? No...we lost bigtime....they know they own us now
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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:25 PM

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cjdore wrote:
BILTMORE wrote:
BILTMORE wrote:
MATheta wrote: Refresh my memory please

the prisoners at Gitmo were interned without trial and no set time for release. Threatening to kill five of these political prisoners is not a threat

Those at Gitmo were and are not "political prisoners".  There is no universally accepted definition for political prisoners. However, a political prisoner is generally defined as a person who is imprisoned for his or her political activities, particularly those who oppose or criticize the government of their countries.  OK so they're political prisoners as "generally defined" by some.  Or not, as narrowly defined by olthers. They were and are enemy combatants captured during military engagements.   So what?  We don't execute them either. If these same military prisoners were in the bush shooting at us we would shoot them dead without question. This does not change just because they are captured. Behave or die. Yes it does. It changes everything. Are you sure you were in the military? 

Please tell us they were only "low level", tribesmen who were only protecting them selves from the warlords, and actually pose no threat once released and allowed to return to their herds and poppy fields. I never said any such blarney. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of getting into a an execution-off with "enemy combatants." There's absolutely no upside, leverage, or political equity  to be gained by killing them. None. We execute, they win bigger than whatever value these "enemy combatants" are going to be to "the movement" in the middle east.  You guys are like children playing cowboys and injuns. We've traded spies and prisoners with our enemies for years. Don't be so naive. Maybe you in your infinite wisdom can tell us what Maybe you, in your infinite wisdom. can tell us what was gained by releasing 5 dangerous enemies back to their command for one lone deserter. The enemy now knows that we will cave to their demands and will be looking to gain a new capture. You conservatives amaze me in your lack of understanding the real world
And might I use a turn of you phrase, "There's nothing Obama can do that you'd agree with so don't act like there is." to say that there's nothing Obama can do with which you wouldn't agree. Wrong. But I'm not the one who's claiming they have better bad ideas for retrieving a solder and offloading prisoners. I'm just pointing out the incredibly obvious flaws with the "strategies" being proposed in this thread. What did we gain by this exchange? Is the enemy now turning to our side? No...we lost bigtime....they know they own us now We got our man back. You may not like him or the trade, but that was the cost.  
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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:42 PM

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BILTMORE wrote:
cjdore wrote:
BILTMORE wrote:
BILTMORE wrote:
MATheta wrote: Refresh my memory please

the prisoners at Gitmo were interned without trial and no set time for release. Threatening to kill five of these political prisoners is not a threat

Those at Gitmo were and are not "political prisoners".  There is no universally accepted definition for political prisoners. However, a political prisoner is generally defined as a person who is imprisoned for his or her political activities, particularly those who oppose or criticize the government of their countries.  OK so they're political prisoners as "generally defined" by some.  Or not, as narrowly defined by olthers. They were and are enemy combatants captured during military engagements.   So what?  We don't execute them either. If these same military prisoners were in the bush shooting at us we would shoot them dead without question. This does not change just because they are captured. Behave or die. Yes it does. It changes everything. Are you sure you were in the military? 

Please tell us they were only "low level", tribesmen who were only protecting them selves from the warlords, and actually pose no threat once released and allowed to return to their herds and poppy fields. I never said any such blarney. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of getting into a an execution-off with "enemy combatants." There's absolutely no upside, leverage, or political equity  to be gained by killing them. None. We execute, they win bigger than whatever value these "enemy combatants" are going to be to "the movement" in the middle east.  You guys are like children playing cowboys and injuns. We've traded spies and prisoners with our enemies for years. Don't be so naive. Maybe you in your infinite wisdom can tell us what Maybe you, in your infinite wisdom. can tell us what was gained by releasing 5 dangerous enemies back to their command for one lone deserter. The enemy now knows that we will cave to their demands and will be looking to gain a new capture. You conservatives amaze me in your lack of understanding the real world
And might I use a turn of you phrase, "There's nothing Obama can do that you'd agree with so don't act like there is." to say that there's nothing Obama can do with which you wouldn't agree. Wrong. But I'm not the one who's claiming they have better bad ideas for retrieving a solder and offloading prisoners. I'm just pointing out the incredibly obvious flaws with the "strategies" being proposed in this thread. What did we gain by this exchange? Is the enemy now turning to our side? No...we lost bigtime....they know they own us now We got our man back. You may not like him or the trade, but that was the cost.  
Bilt....I understand the world quite well and am quite sure that I have done better than you in this world. The cost of that transaction will not be felt next week but very well may be next month or year. These dangerous combatants will be back in charge and fighting against the very government that released them. This may not bother you but it does bother me greatly. My son will be tracking these derelicts down while you only see them as trade bait. if we traded once these guys now know that we will do it again. God help our troops that are in harms way!!!
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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:54 PM

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cjdore wrote:
BILTMORE wrote:
cjdore wrote:
BILTMORE wrote:
BILTMORE wrote:
MATheta wrote: Refresh my memory please

the prisoners at Gitmo were interned without trial and no set time for release. Threatening to kill five of these political prisoners is not a threat

Those at Gitmo were and are not "political prisoners".  There is no universally accepted definition for political prisoners. However, a political prisoner is generally defined as a person who is imprisoned for his or her political activities, particularly those who oppose or criticize the government of their countries.  OK so they're political prisoners as "generally defined" by some.  Or not, as narrowly defined by olthers. They were and are enemy combatants captured during military engagements.   So what?  We don't execute them either. If these same military prisoners were in the bush shooting at us we would shoot them dead without question. This does not change just because they are captured. Behave or die. Yes it does. It changes everything. Are you sure you were in the military? 

Please tell us they were only "low level", tribesmen who were only protecting them selves from the warlords, and actually pose no threat once released and allowed to return to their herds and poppy fields. I never said any such blarney. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of getting into a an execution-off with "enemy combatants." There's absolutely no upside, leverage, or political equity  to be gained by killing them. None. We execute, they win bigger than whatever value these "enemy combatants" are going to be to "the movement" in the middle east.  You guys are like children playing cowboys and injuns. We've traded spies and prisoners with our enemies for years. Don't be so naive. Maybe you in your infinite wisdom can tell us what Maybe you, in your infinite wisdom. can tell us what was gained by releasing 5 dangerous enemies back to their command for one lone deserter. The enemy now knows that we will cave to their demands and will be looking to gain a new capture. You conservatives amaze me in your lack of understanding the real world
And might I use a turn of you phrase, "There's nothing Obama can do that you'd agree with so don't act like there is." to say that there's nothing Obama can do with which you wouldn't agree. Wrong. But I'm not the one who's claiming they have better bad ideas for retrieving a solder and offloading prisoners. I'm just pointing out the incredibly obvious flaws with the "strategies" being proposed in this thread. What did we gain by this exchange? Is the enemy now turning to our side? No...we lost bigtime....they know they own us now We got our man back. You may not like him or the trade, but that was the cost.  
Bilt....I understand the world quite well and am quite sure that I have done better than you in this world. The cost of that transaction will not be felt next week but very well may be next month or year. These dangerous combatants will be back in charge and fighting against the very government that released them. This may not bother you but it does bother me greatly. My son will be tracking these derelicts down while you only see them as trade bait. if we traded once these guys now know that we will do it again. God help our troops that are in harms way!!!
The mating call of the LOSER: gets "Freudian" when he realizes he's 10 posts into an argument he lost 10 posts ago. Get out of here. You haven't done better than me in anything.
God help your son. He has a moron for a father.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 10:20 PM

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"Bilt....I understand the world quite well and am quite sure that I have done better than you in this world."

How small is this guy's *****? Seriously. What a ****ing ****.
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