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At least 27 reported killed in shooting at CT elementary school

Posted: 12/14/2012 12:24 PM

At least 27 reported killed in shooting at CT elementary school 


Link. This has become a part of our lives now, hasn't it?
They laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian. They're not laughing now. -Bob Monkhouse (1928-2003)
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:35 PM

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But no, today's a time for praying and thinking and whatnot. Because that will solve stuff.

Then tomorrow we'll do some more thinking and praying about their families because that will console them.

Then the next day we'll forget about it.

Then this will happen again.

Last edited 12/14/2012 2:31 PM by 4timenatlchamps

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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:40 PM

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And the gun nuts will continue jizming over their Constitution, seemingly oblivious to the frame of reference our founding fathers had when they referenced "arms," which included smoothbores, longrifles, and muskets, each with an impotent combination of comical inaccuracy and reload time that approximates how long you should expect to wait at the DMV.

I simply don't believe automatic and semi-automatic weapons with pinpoint accuracy were under the same umbrella as that stuff, especially in the 18th century.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:53 PM

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My heart is absolutely broken for these children and these families.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:06 PM

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Yeah, blame the gun nuts for this. They obviously influenced the killer when he was deciding to murder children. How dare you.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:13 PM

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VuRocksMySox wrote: Yeah, blame the gun nuts for this. They obviously influenced the killer when he was deciding to murder children. How dare you.
duly noted.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:17 PM

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We keep giving ourselves downtime to grieve and then promise to get to having actual potentially productive discussion after that. But then, before we're even done grieving, there's another mass murder, and we do the same thing.

There's never a time to have the conversation, because we are always in the wake of a mass murder.

There will be nothing done because the cycle is perpetual, and as a result there will be more dead children. How dare I.

Oh, and hell yes it's sad. But people giving the generic "our thoughts and prayers are...let's have perspective" spiel will do nothing beyond maybe (maybe) giving some (some) people a spiritual peace of mind. It will do nothing to help curb this gun fetishism so many Americans have. And as a result, our next massacre is just around the corner.

Last edited 12/14/2012 1:23 PM by 4timenatlchamps

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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:21 PM

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Too true unfortunately. This has really rocked me, I am sitting here in my classroom in tears. There are no explanations, only so many questions that really aren't seeking answers, only rage with question marks. Why? Why? WHY?!?!

As a teacher, a parent of an elementary school teacher, and grandparent of an elementary school student I am so caught by this . . . .
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:27 PM

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I have a child in elementary school, one in middle school, and my wife teaches at a high school here in Nashville.  I try not to think about it too much, but there is a lingering fear that some kind of shooting could happen at any of their schools.  

I still can't imagine what kind of person can kill little kids.   And I feel so bad for the families of the victims.  Christmas should be a time of joy and celebration, but will anyone in that Connecticut town (especially the children at that school) feel the same about Christmas ever again?
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:40 PM

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VuRocksMySox wrote: Yeah, blame the gun nuts for this. They obviously influenced the killer when he was deciding to murder children. How dare you.
Yeah, what the gun nuts influenced was the fact that this dude had an assault rifle when he decided to kill children instead of a sharp object.  Difference = mass killing.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:50 PM

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Gracchus wrote: 

Yeah, what the gun nuts influenced was the fact that this dude had an assault rifle when he decided to kill children instead of a sharp object.  Difference = mass killing.
Yes. Maybe at some point, Americans will decide that .223 caliber assault rifles should not be privately owned.

Reports are the shooter was able to get off 100 rounds.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 2:29 PM

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MATheta wrote: Too true unfortunately. This has really rocked me, I am sitting here in my classroom in tears. There are no explanations, only so many questions that really aren't seeking answers, only rage with question marks. Why? Why? WHY?!?!

As a teacher, a parent of an elementary school teacher, and grandparent of an elementary school student I am so caught by this . . . .

Well said, MATheta. No words ...
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Posted: 12/14/2012 8:14 PM

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VandyBruin wrote:
Gracchus wrote: 

Yeah, what the gun nuts influenced was the fact that this dude had an assault rifle when he decided to kill children instead of a sharp object.  Difference = mass killing.
Yes. Maybe at some point, Americans will decide that .223 caliber assault rifles should not be privately owned.

Reports are the shooter was able to get off 100 rounds.
This may not be the time, but out of curiosity, I googled .223 caliber assault rifle for sale and it returned 85,300 listings.  Even worse was that one on the first page of results was on stormfront . org - that is really disturbing.

But mainly right now, my thoughts are with the friends and families of the victims.  This is almost beyond comprehension.  We can debate the other later.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 8:52 PM

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It is probably because I live in a deep deep red state, but I have had MANY more posts to my Facebook newsfeed that blame the lack of prayer in school.

I have come to the conclusion that it is time for some give and take:

  1. Anyone can pray any prayer they like at anytime in any school they wish.
  2. Every gun in the U.S., of any type, must be licensed, registered and equipped with a GPS locator.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 9:58 PM

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I keep thinking about those little children who died and how scared they must have been - it makes me sick.  My heart especially goes out to victims' parents, who have to bury a child and "celebrate" Christmas within a few days. 

A former FBI psychiatrist was on CNN and said it best.  This country has no way to put someone who is in a mental crisis and potentially a violent threat into a hospital.  You can only put yourself in the hospital, or the police can do it if you are talking about suicide. 
I can't call the police and say "My sister is severely depressed and is angry and talking about doing something for which she will be remembered."  Plus, we have to do a better job of making sure guns do not get into the hands of people with mental illness.  

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Posted: 12/15/2012 2:24 PM

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FYI, the assault rifle in question was found in the perpetrator's vehicle, and was not used in the shootings. So, logically, any discussion about further validation for assault weapon's bans, based on this incident is incorrect.

This suspect, apparently, was just very experienced with handguns, which he used in committing this crime.

Any meaningful discourse on preventing similar future tragedies should focus on people being more cognizant of potential mental health issues in those around them, and being able to get aid and treatment to those individuals.

Prayers to the victims' families.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 2:59 PM

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Or get to work on a constitutional amendment in case the current SCt's interpretation of the 2nd amendment is prevailing. Might take a couple of decades but I'm ready to get started.

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FYI, the assault rifle in question was found in the perpetrator's vehicle, and was not used in the shootings. So, logically, any discussion about further validation for assault weapon's bans, based on this incident is incorrect.

This suspect, apparently, was just very experienced with handguns, which he used in committing this crime.

Any meaningful discourse on preventing similar future tragedies should focus on people being more cognizant of potential mental health issues in those around them, and being able to get aid and treatment to those individuals.

Prayers to the victims' families.

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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:46 PM

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btw, source?

This says victims were shot with rifle


usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/...ficer-says?lite

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--- VUGearhead wrote:

FYI, the assault rifle in question was found in the perpetrator's vehicle, and was not used in the shootings. So, logically, any discussion about further validation for assault weapon's bans, based on this incident is incorrect.

This suspect, apparently, was just very experienced with handguns, which he used in committing this crime.

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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:02 PM

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VUGearhead wrote: FYI, the assault rifle in question was found in the perpetrator's vehicle, and was not used in the shootings. So, logically, any discussion about further validation for assault weapon's bans, based on this incident is incorrect...This suspect, apparently, was just very experienced with handguns, which he used in committing this crime...Any meaningful discourse on preventing similar future tragedies should focus on people being more cognizant of potential mental health issues in those around them, and being able to get aid and treatment to those individuals...
I wouldn't jump quite so fast to that logical conclusion. Yes, technically you're largely correct when you insert "based on this incident" into your line of logic, but this is getting to be very, very far from the only such incident, and I for one am not particularly reassured when we learn that the perp had a fully automatic assault weapon, but decided at the last moment that he didn't quite need it.

What seems most likely to me is that, given his target, he opted for a bit more stealth in lieu of more firepower, as his best means of maximizing death. Others have chosen differently. Had yesterday's assassin chosen a different target, no doubt he would have reconsidered whether maximum firepower was his best maximizer.

He committed most of his murders with semi-automatic handguns. Are those semi-logically off-limits, by magic? I don't think so.

Mental health system improvements, absolutely. But meanwhile (& even afterwards, if possible), I'm not at all impressed by the efficacy of our current approach, which is essentially the old Cold War philosophy of Mutually Assured Destruction. Someone killed second graders? The NRA will push for arming as many second graders as possible. The trouble is, these killers aren't the Soviet Union, they're madmen. They are attracted to the Assured Destruction part of this.

And some of these madmen will always slip through any mental health detection web we can devise. These guys are insane, yes, but they're also very, very sharp. We pretend otherwise at our peril.

Most of them will be able to appear balanced enough to purchase whatever weapons are available. Or 'borrow' their friends'/families' if they're not, or if they're too young.
They laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian. They're not laughing now. -Bob Monkhouse (1928-2003)
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Posted: 12/16/2012 6:35 AM

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vebiltdervan wrote:
He committed most of his murders with semi-automatic handguns. Are those semi-logically off-limits, by magic? I don't think so.

No, according to the coroner, all of the school victims were shot with a rifle - that Bushmaster rifle.
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