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Nobody Should Have to Wait 7 Hours to Vote

Posted: 11/6/2012 10:46 AM

Nobody Should Have to Wait 7 Hours to Vote 


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Posted: 11/6/2012 11:01 AM

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BOGUS! This article was for EARLY VOTING. This was not the only opportunity these voters have to cast their ballots. And early voting here in FL has never been as wide spread as the normal precincts, ergo, if more people try to vote early, lines will be longer.

They have the option to wait that day, or wait until today when all precincts will be open. It took me 45 minutes to get in and out of my precinct this morning. Oh, and they also had the absentee ballot option (that makes 3 opportunities to vote).

So don't pursue the right-wing conspiracy garbage. Cause that's what it is, GARBAGE.
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Posted: 11/6/2012 11:10 AM

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It's becuase everyone is taking a picture of his ballot to post on Facebook

Oh and because they don't like a lot of non-white males voting.  That too.

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Posted: 11/6/2012 11:13 AM

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VUGearhead wrote: BOGUS!...don't pursue the right-wing conspiracy garbage. Cause that's what it is, GARBAGE.
I have to ask here, when the facts are clearly known (that GOP-dominated legislatures and statehouses openly colluded to render voting more difficult in various ways, but only in swing states, not in reliable red states), then is this a case of conspiracy GARBAGE, or rather a case of denial & naivete?

I say the latter. Why else have some of the republicans who engineered this strategy in PA and elsewhere let the truth slip out, when they thought only other republicans were listening? 

I know you want it to be GARBAGE, Gearhead. But wishing it so doesn't make it so.

Why else did your GOP governor, having witnessed the unbearably long voting lines in your state, shorten the time allowed for early voting? I realize that it didn't impact you. That doesn't mean it hasn't impacted others, who just happen to be disproportionately minority voters. 

Denial, denial, denial. But it's reality. If vote suppression was a crime, as it ought to be, your governor, Rick Scott, would/should be the first person jailed.
They laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian. They're not laughing now. -Bob Monkhouse (1928-2003)
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Posted: 11/6/2012 11:20 AM

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vebiltdervan wrote: If vote suppression was a crime, as it ought to be, your governor, Rick Scott, would/should be the first person jailed.

Rick Scott should already be in jail for medicare fraud.  Still not quite sure why he isn't.

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Posted: 11/6/2012 12:30 PM

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We have gotten to the point that "only" having to stand in line 45 minutes to vote is considered short? That's the GARBAGE. The garbage of right-wing desperation to disenfranchise. Not shocked though. When the next mid-terms come around, look for a massive house-cleaning to rid our nation of the scourge nick-named "tea party conservatism." It's days are numbered. Today is the beginning of the end of the old dusty trail for the teabaggers.
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Posted: 11/6/2012 12:39 PM

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bhoyal wrote: We have gotten to the point that "only" having to stand in line 45 minutes to vote is considered short? That's the GARBAGE. The garbage of right-wing desperation to disenfranchise. Not shocked though. When the next mid-terms come around, look for a massive house-cleaning to rid our nation of the scourge nick-named "tea party conservatism." It's days are numbered. Today is the beginning of the end of the old dusty trail for the teabaggers.
I'm inclined to disagree with your midterm analysis.  Assuming the polls hold true and Obama wins tonight, I would not be surprised to see the Republican broaden their advantage in the House and possibly takeover the Senate.  Democrats tend to be far less energized for midterm elections, especially when they control the White House.
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Posted: 11/6/2012 12:39 PM

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It's not impacting disproportionately minority voters, Vebilt. It's effect on all Florida voters is equal, whether it's minority dominated counties in the Southeast, or conservative rural counties in the center of the state.

And what evidence do you have that Gov. Scott colluded with GOP leaders in other states to pursue this policy in an attempt to dis-enfranchise minority voters, other than supposition and innuendo? This reduced early-voting time period was implemented a while ago, not yesterday. The only way to extend the early voting would have been to start it sooner, which you can't do in hindsight. The early voting precincts have to be close so the voting machines can be moved to their regular precincts, so they had to close on Saturday for logistical purposes. I guess you never hear about the empty early-voting precincts 5 weeks ahead of time, huh? Well, that's what used to happen. Waste of resources.

It's not wishing it to be garbage any more than it is wishing it to be a conspiracy on your's and hoyal's part.

You cry voter suppression. What about voter fraud? Why exactly were those Philly monitors ejected? So possibly people ineligible to vote could sneak in, hmmmmmm?
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Posted: 11/6/2012 12:48 PM

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VUGearhead wrote: It's not impacting disproportionately minority voters, Vebilt. It's effect on all Florida voters is equal, whether it's minority dominated counties in the Southeast, or conservative rural counties in the center of the state.

And what evidence do you have that Gov. Scott colluded with GOP leaders in other states to pursue this policy in an attempt to dis-enfranchise minority voters, other than supposition and innuendo? This reduced early-voting time period was implemented a while ago, not yesterday. The only way to extend the early voting would have been to start it sooner, which you can't do in hindsight. The early voting precincts have to be close so the voting machines can be moved to their regular precincts, so they had to close on Saturday for logistical purposes. I guess you never hear about the empty early-voting precincts 5 weeks ahead of time, huh? Well, that's what used to happen. Waste of resources.

It's not wishing it to be garbage any more than it is wishing it to be a conspiracy on your's and hoyal's part.

You cry voter suppression. What about voter fraud? Why exactly were those Philly monitors ejected? So possibly people ineligible to vote could sneak in, hmmmmmm?
It might be disproportionately impacting minority voters.  Or it may be disproportionately impacting independents.  Or voters with full-time jobs.  You don't know and I don't either.  I hope someone without a political agenda takes the time to study the impact of long lines, early voting, etc.

In my view, anything that depresses turnout is a shame.  Whether it's a Pennsylvania politician crowing about disenfranchising Democrats through voter ID laws or the Black Panthers attempting to intimidate Republicans at the polls.
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Posted: 11/6/2012 1:30 PM

Independent Candidates/Fairness 


Somewhat off topic, but still pertaining to election fairness ...

On the ballot in Alabama, Obama and Romney were identified by their party affiliation, but the other 3 candidates were merely noted as "Independents". That is, nowhere did it say that Gary Johnson was the Libertarian candidate, Jill Stein the Green party candidate, etc. Is it just me, or does that seem unfair? Let's say I knew that I wanted to vote for the Libertarian guy, but couldn't remember his/her name; I would be SOL. I'm sure there were some voters who just knew they wanted to vote for the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate, and they got "assistance" on the ballot. That seems to me to discriminate against the 3rd party candidates.

Was it like that on the ballot in the other states?
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Posted: 11/6/2012 1:38 PM

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geeznotagain wrote: Somewhat off topic, but still pertaining to election fairness ...

On the ballot in Alabama, Obama and Romney were identified by their party affiliation, but the other 3 candidates were merely noted as "Independents". That is, nowhere did it say that Gary Johnson was the Libertarian candidate, Jill Stein the Green party candidate, etc. Is it just me, or does that seem unfair? Let's say I knew that I wanted to vote for the Libertarian guy, but couldn't remember his/her name; I would be SOL. I'm sure there were some voters who just knew they wanted to vote for the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate, and they got "assistance" on the ballot. That seems to me to discriminate against the 3rd party candidates.

Was it like that on the ballot in the other states?
I agree that unless they are a totally unaffiliated indy, it should identify them fully including party and running-mate.  However - not knowing the name of who it is you intend to vote for doesn't show much loyalty to that candidate's cause - just sayin'
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Posted: 11/6/2012 1:50 PM

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bhoyal wrote:
I agree that unless they are a totally unaffiliated indy, it should identify them fully including party and running-mate.  However - not knowing the name of who it is you intend to vote for doesn't show much loyalty to that candidate's cause - just sayin'


HOLY COW... I actually agree with bhoyal on something.  And on both points!!  Mark this day, gentlemen... 06 November 2012.
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Posted: 11/6/2012 2:05 PM

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bhoyal wrote:
geeznotagain wrote:
I agree that unless they are a totally unaffiliated indy, it should identify them fully including party and running-mate.  However - not knowing the name of who it is you intend to vote for doesn't show much loyalty to that candidate's cause - just sayin'
Well, I'm sure there were economically disadvantaged and/or IQ-disadvantaged voters in both parties who were told by friends, relatives, party organizers, etc. "vote for the democratic candidate", or "vote for the republican candidate". Assuming they could read the words "democrat" and "republican" they were okay. No such crib notes for the 3rd party candidates.
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Posted: 11/6/2012 2:30 PM

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bhoyal wrote: We have gotten to the point that "only" having to stand in line 45 minutes to vote is considered short? That's the GARBAGE. The garbage of right-wing desperation to disenfranchise. Not shocked though. When the next mid-terms come around, look for a massive house-cleaning to rid our nation of the scourge nick-named "tea party conservatism." It's days are numbered. Today is the beginning of the end of the old dusty trail for the teabaggers.

Well, it wasn't standing in line, genius. It was signing the voter roll, filling out an address correction form (since they had mis-typed my address on the voter roll), filling out my ballot (3 double sided pages-FL constitutional amendments are long-winded), and then waiting in line (the longest segment of the process) to submit my ballot to the digital counting monster.

You might be right about the teabaggers. The rise of the Libertarian party might just be at hand.
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Posted: 11/6/2012 2:33 PM

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I'm sure hoyal wouldn't have posted this without an intent to blame republicans for this. However, I. Am inclined to believe the democratic county supervisors of elections are responsible for this in south florida.
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Posted: 11/6/2012 3:11 PM

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VU2003RPL wrote: "HOLY COW... I actually agree with bhoyal on something. And on both points!! Mark this day, gentlemen... 06 November 2012."

November 6th, 2012. A DATE WHICH WILL LIVE IN INFAMY!!
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Posted: 11/6/2012 5:06 PM

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As someone who early voted in Florida, I can tell you the complaint about not enough time is ridiculous.  We had polling places at almost all the local libraries.  Open for 8 straight days, 7am to 7pm.  I went on the 2nd day it was open, walked in, walked out 15 minutes.  Easy as could be.  The only people I know who voted early and had to sit in line were the slackers who waited until the afternoon of the very last day.  As the article stated, there was no natural disaster, no extreme weather, nothing to prevent you from getting to the polls.  If you procrastinated till the very end, thats your own fault.  Yes, somebody take some personal responsibility!

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Posted: 11/6/2012 6:16 PM

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So we should be shocked the last person on the last day to early vote had to wait a long time? Amazing.

It isn't that hard to get an absentee ballot if you can't go vote. The only good point in the article was making election day a holiday. I think that's a good idea.
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Posted: 11/6/2012 7:14 PM

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In Florida you can absentee vote for any reason.   You can sign up online and they mail you ballots for all elections in the year.

I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but it makes it very easy to vote.
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