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DCDore wrote: If (when) Obama is declared the winner tomorrow night, will doreking just vaporize?
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ORDore wrote: I think that, like Grover Norquist (aka "the man who owns more than half of all house votes"), you believe in pure, un-checked free market capitalism. I think you are extraordinarily naive and blindly idealistic in your understanding and/or acknowledgement of its negative implications, and obsessive in your devotion to it.
Posted: 11/6/2012 8:18 AM
ORDore wrote: More to the point, I think Obama, like Clinton, Nixon, Eisenhower, Truman, Roosevelt, Roosevelt, believed in a rational balance between free market and socialism. You know, the kind of balance that led to the greatest period of economic, social, and technological progress in the United States over the past century, in the 50s and 60s. I think Reagan, Hoover, and Wilson leaned too far to either side, as does Romney as currently programmed. And I think Bush Jr. was simply incompetent.I think that, like Grover Norquist (aka "the man who owns more than half of all house votes"), you believe in pure, un-checked free market capitalism. I think you are extraordinarily naive and blindly idealistic in your understanding and/or acknowledgement of its negative implications, and obsessive in your devotion to it.
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ORDore wrote: geez, I'm not advocating for a European model. And neither is Obama, of course.I am of the firm belief that we have a serious tax revenue shortfall in this country that is the primary cause of our deficit and debt issues, and that we cannot deregulate and cut spending anywhere near enough to reverse the debt trend. People are going to have to make sacrifices for the greater good, just as the greatest generation did post-WWII. Trust me, my views on taxation are much closer aligned with Eisenhower than they are with Obama. I can't even see Grover Norquist from where I'm standing. So, call me and Obama Socialists if you will, but you damn sure better be ready to call Nixon and Eisenhower Socialists when you do it.
Posted: 11/6/2012 9:56 AM
geeznotagain wrote: ...the amount of government assistance provided today (expressed as a pct of GDP) far surpasses anything in the Eisenhower years.
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WestCoastDore wrote: ...after the election, we can all hope that the extremists of both sides will learn to listen, discuss and compromise rather than behave like bad kindergarten students.
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