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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:41 AM
Vol fan not trying to stir things up...
I will first of all admit that I've never been a big fan of Stallings. I think he's a solid basketball coach but nothing special.
My question, and this may have been discussed to death already (my apologies if so), is how much time Stallings gained for himself with the SECT title last year. It has seemed to me like Stallings is to Vandy hoops much like what Johnny Majors was to UT football for a long time - a guy that wins just enough to keep his job, but not really satisfy the fan base. He seems to tease with promises of something more, but in those years when he gets Vandy into the Dance, the Dores have a tendency of losing earlier than expected based on the season they had. And then there are the years like this one interspersed throughout.
It is not like he isn't having some success, as Vanderbilt is competitive in the conference most years, but I get the sense that he will just never deliver that big season, but forever titillate the fans with the potential for one. And I think the success that James Franklin is having in football somehow makes his seat a little warmer, because I think Vanderbilt fans can see that if someone can come in and make a moribund football program highly competitive, then perhaps someone else can come in and take a respected basketball program and elevate it to a better place than Stallings has it. JMO.
I appreciate any thoughts y'all have on this.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:52 AM
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His job is completely safe for this season. Williams and the athletic department still support Stallings and are willing to overlook one poor season.
However, next season will be big for Stallings. If it is another bad year with no postseason tourney of any kind, I don't know if he survives or not. And I don't see any way he survives if there are three bad seasons in a row.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:59 AM
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I think the key to his not being fired after next season is his recruiting in the early signing period. If he can get some players who can create some excitement and anticipation for the following year, he may survive.
Part of the dissatisfaction this year is the fact that there is, in my opinion, no help on the way for next year.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:04 AM
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titans309fan wrote: His job is completely safe for this season. Williams and the athletic department still support Stallings and are willing to overlook one poor season.
However, next season will be big for Stallings. If it is another bad year with no postseason tourney of any kind, I don't know if he survives or not. And I don't see any way he survives if there are three bad seasons in a row. But that sort of fits the "M.O." of Stallings' tenure at Vanderbilt. My guess is that he does exactly what he needs to do next year to hang on - he'll get Vanderbilt to do something positive - maybe y'all squeak into the NCAAT, or maybe it's a fairly deep run in the NIT - and visions of much better success seem "just around the corner", like they always seem to with this guy. And in 2-3 years, you're looking back at a deep NIT run, an early NCAAT exit and maybe another NIT visit, and we're having this same conversation. "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
Last edited 2/15/2013 9:18 AM by cherokee04
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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:06 AM
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PeteFox wrote: If he can get some players who can create some excitement and anticipation for the following year, he may survive. I tend to agree, and my point is that "creating excitement and anticipation" is what Stallings does well. Delivering on that anticipation just doesn't quite seem to happen though. "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:32 AM
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cherokee04 wrote: Stallings is to Vandy hoops much like what Johnny Majors was to UT football for a long time - a guy that wins just enough to keep his job, but not really satisfy the fan base. Satisfy the fan base? Well I've been a fan my whole life; season ticket holder since the mid 80's, and your JM analogy is interesting. I'm a fan of Vanderbilt sports, and I'm a fan of Vanderbilt University. That link is the basis for any fanaticism I have. I'm proud of the way CKS graduates players, I'm proud of the way he seems to engender support from a majority of his former players. I'm proud of what I see as his priorities. Do I want the team to win every game? Heck yeah! Does it suck when we don't? Heck yeah! It's not the end of the world if they do lose though. My self esteem and self worth isn't tied to that. I do know that some of the most enjoyable moments of my life have been attending games at Memorial. CKS has everything to do with that. And for that, he has my loyalty. Now if the team were continue to have sub .500 seasons, and season ticket sales and attendance were to drop, I am absolutely positive the powers that be would try and rectify the situation. Because that's what they do. I just buy tickets. I'm satisfied with that.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:38 AM
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I think Stallings will leave before he gets fired.
He looks tired and burnt out at Vanderbilt. I'm not sure that I see him coaching more than another year here on his own merit, not our decision.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 10:08 AM
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Agreed. In my opinion. You just summed up the difference in a majority of both fan bases. SectionFGuy wrote:
cherokee04 wrote: Stallings is to Vandy hoops much like what Johnny Majors was to UT football for a long time - a guy that wins just enough to keep his job, but not really satisfy the fan base. Satisfy the fan base? Well I've been a fan my whole life; season ticket holder since the mid 80's, and your JM analogy is interesting.
I'm a fan of Vanderbilt sports, and I'm a fan of Vanderbilt University. That link is the basis for any fanaticism I have. I'm proud of the way CKS graduates players, I'm proud of the way he seems to engender support from a majority of his former players. I'm proud of what I see as his priorities.
Do I want the team to win every game? Heck yeah! Does it suck when we don't? Heck yeah! It's not the end of the world if they do lose though. My self esteem and self worth isn't tied to that. I do know that some of the most enjoyable moments of my life have been attending games at Memorial. CKS has everything to do with that. And for that, he has my loyalty.
Now if the team were continue to have sub .500 seasons, and season ticket sales and attendance were to drop, I am absolutely positive the powers that be would try and rectify the situation. Because that's what they do. I just buy tickets. I'm satisfied with that. |
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Posted: 2/15/2013 10:12 AM
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Yes of course. I had forgotten the long-running DeefromAtlanta theme of the righteous Vanderbilt fans vs. the Unwashed Masses from UT.  DeefromAtlanta wrote: Agreed.
In my opinion. You just summed up the difference in a majority of both fan bases. "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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Posted: 2/15/2013 11:23 AM
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Thanks for coming in peace I notice you didn't disagree with my assessment. Righteous? No. Unwashed masses? I couldn't tell you. I haven't been to Neyland Stadium ......lately. cherokee04 wrote: Yes of course. I had forgotten the long-running DeefromAtlanta theme of the righteous Vanderbilt fans vs. the Unwashed Masses from UT.
DeefromAtlanta wrote: Agreed.
In my opinion, you just summed up the difference in a majority of both fan bases.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 11:55 AM
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Good analogy between CKS and JM. Usually close but no cigar with some bad years in-between. Both solid coaches but not spectacular. At least Johnny got you the big Sugar Bowl victory over Miami. Not sure if CKS has done anything to compare basketball-wise. Perhaps the almost Elite Eight....
Not trying to stir the pot, but has anyone heard anything from Kirkland regarding CKS next year? I would assume no word means everything stays the same. I think if CKS has one more bad year, he'll give it up.
Cherokee, I must admit I always liked Johnny Majors (he always had good things to say about Vandy) and thought he was a good coach. Besides, anyone whose Dad coached at Sewanee for 40 years is alright.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:15 PM
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Good analogy between CKS and JM. Usually close but no cigar with some bad years in-between. Both solid coaches but not spectacular. At least Johnny got you the big Sugar Bowl victory over Miami. Not sure if CKS has done anything to compare basketball-wise. Perhaps the almost Elite Eight....
Not trying to stir the pot, but has anyone heard anything from Kirkland regarding CKS next year? I would assume no word means everything stays the same. I think if CKS has one more bad year, he'll give it up.
Cherokee, I must admit I always liked Johnny Majors (he always had good things to say about Vandy) and thought he was a good coach. Besides, anyone whose Dad coached at Sewanee for 40 years is alright.
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How does a Sugar Bowl victory over a higher-ranked Miami in a bowl game that doesn't matter to Tennessee's national title hopes differ any from Vandy winning the SEC championship over the eventual National Champion Kentucky?
Anything to compare? I think it just might.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:44 PM
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DeefromAtlanta wrote: Thanks for coming in peace You're welcome. I've noticed that I rarely have issues on this board with anyone else.I notice you didn't disagree with my assessment. Maybe your "noticer" isn't working too well, because I don't agree with that assessment  I just know I've seen you bash the entire UT fanbase many times, typically portraying it as inferior to your own. I just find it amazing when I see that kind of stuff, whether it's on the UT board or a rival board. It's almost as if some people can't understand that every fan base has fans that run the spectrum. "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:47 PM
Thanks for the responses...
My sense is that there is a bit of a mixed reaction here to Stallings. He has some pro's and con's and I'm certainly not trying to say that he hasn't accomplished anything good at Vanderbilt.
It is my personal opinion though that Vanderbilt's basketball program could probably do better.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:49 PM
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Interesting analogy with J. Mayors ... Also, correct about the pressure (or is it tension?) brought by J. Franklin.
Throw into that mix the mutual admiration (& friendship) of Tim Corbin with Franklin and maybe a more simpatico relationship of D. Williams with Corbin & Franklin.
KS gives the impression of "odd man out" in that grouping. I think KS is a genuinely good man, but with limited people skills (he is honest to a fault).
He does not fit the mold of "salesman", like his counterparts.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 1:17 PM
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I think David Climer hit the nail on the head with today's column. CKS states that he knew this year would be tough and was forthright with the administration about that.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130215/COLUMNI ST0202/302150057/Climer-Vandy-s-Stallings-has-earn ed-Memorial-Mulligan
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:01 PM
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cherokee04 wrote: My sense is that there is a bit of a mixed reaction here to Stallings. He has some pro's and con's and I'm certainly not trying to say that he hasn't accomplished anything good at Vanderbilt.
It is my personal opinion though that Vanderbilt's basketball program could probably do better. I find a rivals fan's viewpoint interesting in regards to any of our coaches. I, for one, was lobbying for UT to keep Dooley forever. |
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:05 PM
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CKS and Corbin are friends. In the past, CKS has thrown batting practice and it was Corbin who recommended that Jacob Stallings go to UNC (we were pretty well set at catcher). CKS loves baseball, maybe more than basketball.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:22 PM
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I didn't realize my agreement with SectionF would be construed as combative. And since "you've come in peace" I'll ignore your dig and remind you that many of your posts over "there" are more representative of your feelings of Vanderbilt. It's my opinion that a large percentage of the vol fan base didn't even graduate or attend the school. It's true of many state schools in the SEC. Many fans could care less if the player is a student, much less if he graduates.( From viewing the graduation rates of your football team over the past 20 years, I don't think many on the Hill cared, either.) To many, the only thing that matters is a player's eligibility. Winning at all costs is fine with many of these fans because their personal investment is only as deep as the orange sweatshirt on their back. Take that however you want. I agree with SectionF. Sure we want to win. And it's been very frustrating over the years when the administration wasn't entirely vested. Vanderbilt is a private school with a smaller fan base that is comprised generally of people associated with the school. To remain a fan of Vanderbilt over the years isn't easy. When people here in Atlanta ask me who I follow, I tell them I'm one of 50 Vanderbilt fans - and I've met met 25 of the others. While I make light of our sparse numbers, this group is both crazy and ruggedly loyal. We do take pride in the athletes that have chosen to compete both on and off the field. That's part of the attraction. You can take that however you want, too. Sorry if my comments on your NCAA sanctions, unethical coaches and wasteful spending has angered you. I respect the Pat Summitts, Peyton Mannings and Condredge Holloways. Not so much the Bruce Pearls, Jerry Greenes, Johnny Majors, Lane Kiffins, and numerous diva athletes that have represented UT. I don't think you need me to make a list. Do I like where the VU basketball team is this year? Obviously not. As I've posted many times, 14 years is a long time for a coach to remain at any school in today's world. I hope this year doesn't continue. Stallings is a good coach that cares about his players and believes in doing things the right way. I thought his comments to Climer were telling. He gets it. I didn't realize we've had so many disagreements. I would tell you that UT is my 2nd favorite team in the SEC, but that would be a lie. cherokee04 wrote:
DeefromAtlanta wrote: Thanks for coming in peace You're welcome. I've noticed that I rarely have issues on this board with anyone else.I notice you didn't disagree with my assessment. Maybe your "noticer" isn't working too well, because I don't agree with that assessment I just know I've seen you bash the entire UT fanbase many times, typically portraying it as inferior to your own. I just find it amazing when I see that kind of stuff, whether it's on the UT board or a rival board. It's almost as if some people can't understand that every fan base has fans that run the spectrum.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 3:10 PM
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PeteFox wrote: I think the key to his not being fired after next season is his recruiting in the early signing period. If he can get some players who can create some excitement and anticipation for the following year, he may survive.
Part of the dissatisfaction this year is the fact that there is, in my opinion, no help on the way for next year. You got a problem with Damian Jones, ESPN Top 100 recruit? Have you been to practice to see what kind of player McCllellan can be next year? |
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