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Just to elaborate a little......

Posted: 1/28/2013 2:00 PM

Just to elaborate a little...... 


on the race thing, I think one of the issues might be that Marshall is such a non-conformist, which generally does not go over well in white, Southern culture.  If you noticed who was taunting him in that film clip, it was a bunch of "clean-cut", preppy, conservative, frat boy types in polo shirts, every single one of whom was white....and I think it is Henderson's scruffiness and hip-hop-inspired, break-all-the-rules style, as much as anything, that drives their hostility.  They are all about conformity and he is, in a way, a threat to their entire code of behavior.  They might accept that behavior in a black guy who is not part of their social world to begin with, but seeing it in a white guy drives them crazy.

A lot of these frat boys listen to rap music, which, I think, reflects a sort of pent-up frustration with the conformist culture they inhabit and a fantasy about escaping it.....and when they see a guy like Henderson living out that fantasy, it could be that it just pushes all their buttons at once.

I don't want to go too far with this, but I do think these factors probably play into the phenomenon we are witnessing.

I doubt Marshall would create as much of a stir if he were playing in the Northeast as he has playing in the South.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:11 PM

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NJReb wrote: on the race thing, I think one of the issues might be that Marshall is such a non-conformist, which generally does not go over well in white, Southern culture.  If you noticed who was taunting him in that film clip, it was a bunch of "clean-cut", preppy, conservative, frat boy types in polo shirts, every single one of whom was white....and I think it is Henderson's scruffiness and hip-hop-inspired, break-all-the-rules style, as much as anything, that drives their hostility.  They are all about conformity and he is, in a way, a threat to their entire code of behavior.  They might accept that behavior in a black guy who is not part of their social world to begin with, but seeing it in a white guy drives them crazy.

A lot of these frat boys listen to rap music, which, I think, reflects a sort of pent-up frustration with the conformist culture they inhabit and a fantasy about escaping it.....and when they see a guy like Henderson living out that fantasy, it could be that it just pushes all their buttons at once.

I don't want to go too far with this, but I do think these factors probably play into the phenomenon we are witnessing.

I doubt Marshall would create as much of a stir if he were playing in the Northeast as he has playing in the South.
I'm impressed with all of the stones you are lobbing from your glass house.  

We are not witnessing a phenomenon.  We are witnessing a jerk with a jumpshot - hardly unique in college basketball.  Still, his actions are not particularly harmful.  I found his Auburn act especially silly because he did not play very well, but I can't say I was offended.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:35 PM

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NJReb wrote: ...They might accept that behavior in a black guy who is not part of their social world...
No, this is just bogus. It's weird enough that you would entertain this idea, but in any case, it's not true.
They laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian. They're not laughing now. -Bob Monkhouse (1928-2003)
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:39 PM

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Do you even know your own guy? He was run from Utah, the tamest place on the planet. That was before his felony drug arrest. Facts are facts.
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on the race thing, I think one of the issues might be that Marshall is such a non-conformist, which generally does not go over well in white, Southern culture.  If you noticed who was taunting him in that film clip, it was a bunch of "clean-cut", preppy, conservative, frat boy types in polo shirts, every single one of whom was white....and I think it is Henderson's scruffiness and hip-hop-inspired, break-all-the-rules style, as much as anything, that drives their hostility.  They are all about conformity and he is, in a way, a threat to their entire code of behavior.  They might accept that behavior in a black guy who is not part of their social world to begin with, but seeing it in a white guy drives them crazy.

A lot of these frat boys listen to rap music, which, I think, reflects a sort of pent-up frustration with the conformist culture they inhabit and a fantasy about escaping it.....and when they see a guy like Henderson living out that fantasy, it could be that it just pushes all their buttons at once.

I don't want to go too far with this, but I do think these factors probably play into the phenomenon we are witnessing.

I doubt Marshall would create as much of a stir if he were playing in the Northeast as he has playing in the South.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:07 AM

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NJReb wrote:  They are all about conformity and he is, in a way, a threat to their entire code of behavior. 


I bet your 9th grade English class hated you.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:14 PM

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NJReb wrote: on the race thing, I think one of the issues might be that Marshall is such a non-conformist, which generally does not go over well in white, Southern culture.  If you noticed who was taunting him in that film clip, it was a bunch of "clean-cut", preppy, conservative, frat boy types in polo shirts, every single one of whom was white....and I think it is Henderson's scruffiness and hip-hop-inspired, break-all-the-rules style, as much as anything, that drives their hostility.  They are all about conformity and he is, in a way, a threat to their entire code of behavior.  They might accept that behavior in a black guy who is not part of their social world to begin with, but seeing it in a white guy drives them crazy.

A lot of these frat boys listen to rap music, which, I think, reflects a sort of pent-up frustration with the conformist culture they inhabit and a fantasy about escaping it.....and when they see a guy like Henderson living out that fantasy, it could be that it just pushes all their buttons at once.

I don't want to go too far with this, but I do think these factors probably play into the phenomenon we are witnessing.

I doubt Marshall would create as much of a stir if he were playing in the Northeast as he has playing in the South.
What is the heck are you talkin about? He acts like a thug, plain and simple. It's not everyone else's fault, it's his fault. He lacks self control. He will have bad things happen to him in life if he doesn't change. I thought for a minute I was reading something in the Black and Gold Coffee Shop.

Last edited 1/29/2013 12:18 PM by VandyCop

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