cjdore wrote:

doreknox wrote: Vandy1Fan, you make some excellent points. I agree with most of what you wrote but would like to discuss one or two ponts. 

Be to honest, we have never been the type of program where we reload every year and stay consistantly in the top 25. Stallings seven year run is the best in school history regarding having solid teams. We did rebuild somewhat in Taylor's freshman year but we were not horrible. As far back as I can remember (1973-74 team), we've been good, then bad, then good for a couple of years, then bad again. C.M. struggled for several years. Fogler had two great years and two pretty fair ones. VBK had one decent season.

Say what you will, I think the up and down records are historically caused by recruiting.  Our high academic standards either eliminate or scare off many recruits.   Stallings does seem able to identify talent but we keep finishing second. If he brought in a stud recruiter who can close, this would definitely help him. I do believe he can coach them to success.

We are missing all those pieces you mentioned, but I do think we will have an improved PG and shooters available next year. If Jeter continues to blossom and Jones is the stud he is supposed to be, our inside game will be better. Bright will have another year of experience, too.  Also, I actually believe this team is faster than others that I remember.

Still, good observations and an excellent post.

UF May be a good program to look at.....They never had a reload team until Coach Billy arrived and now they reload EVERY year. CKS has known for several years that he would be needing a legit SEC center to replace Fez and he has failed to reload. I have 2 words .......Shaka Smart

Florida has a HOF coach, but guys like that just aren't a dime a dozen.  There are maybe 5 guys like that in the entire country, so you almost have to get lucky to get one. 

I'm not saying I don't want to win championships, but there is a high risk and a high probability that the next coach, whomever it is, will have less success than Stallings.  If we got Shaka Smart, sign me up.  But remember Stallings was a very successful mid-major coach himself and almost every other team in the league has plucked a hotshot coach from mid major schools in the past 15 years only to fire them for losing.

Commodoredave1 wrote:

  If we got Shaka Smart, sign me up.  But remember Stallings was a very successful mid-major coach himself

He made the dance 2 years out of six at Illinois St. which is not horrible.  Did you know his record was 7-11 in the MVC the year he was hired here?  Not exactly like Prohm's 31-2 season last year or Gregg Marshall sitting at 18-2 this year. 

I'm not taking sides, but there are many people who think we've maxed out what can be done with CKS here.  There must be some sort of reasoning behind their views.  They all don't post here but there are quite a few you see on twitter these days.



NOTE: This post does not address or "take sides" in the topic of retaining or not retaining the current coaching staff of any sport at Vanderbilt University or at any other school or entity, collegiate or professional.

bhoyal wrote:

Commodoredave1 wrote:

  If we got Shaka Smart, sign me up.  But remember Stallings was a very successful mid-major coach himself

He made the dance 2 years out of six at Illinois St. which is not horrible.  Did you know his record was 7-11 in the MVC the year he was hired here?  Not exactly like Prohm's 31-2 season last year or Gregg Marshall sitting at 18-2 this year. 

I'm not taking sides, but there are many people who think we've maxed out what can be done with CKS here.  There must be some sort of reasoning behind their views.  They all don't post here but there are quite a few you see on twitter these days.



NOTE: This post does not address or "take sides" in the topic of retaining or not retaining the current coaching staff of any sport at Vanderbilt University or at any other school or entity, collegiate or professional.

I just love the disclaimer in which the writer attempts to override what he/she just wrote:   

"...there are many people who think we've maxed out what can be done with CKS here. There must be some sort of reasoning behind their views. They all don't post here but there are quite a few you see on twitter these days."    

That sure looks to me like taking sides.     The use of the word "many" is vague.   For example, it could refer to 1%, 10% or 40% of this person's friends.   It does not necessarily mean that a large number of Vandy's fans want Stallings gone.

As I recall, that disclaimer first appeared when that writer was blatant in attempting to push Stallings out.   It seemed to try to deflect what the writer was posting:   Oh what I write is not what I really mean.   I am just an innocent bystander, just reporting what I hear.