Posted: 1/27/2013 12:34 PM
Posted: 1/27/2013 1:27 PM
SumnerCountyDore wrote: I have really not joined this argument for the last month for a couple reasons, but your post brings to mind a question or two....wouldn't EVERY coach say that they strive to be a top program like Duke, and after 14 yrs, shouldn't we be seeing at least a smidgen of a hint that VU is headed in that direction? I think we will be ok in a year or two, and I'm not as gloomy and doomy as some, but we are going through a period not many programs, short of ncaa troubles or a series of coaching changes ever find themselves in. Here's to hoping we beat the Vawls this week and get back on track. ------------------------------------------------ underdog74 wrote:Did you listen to CKS' call in show last week? He discussed this very topic and said that he strives to be a top program like Duke. Maybe the reason you have never heard Stallings say this is because you haven't listened.My suggestion to you, as I'm assuming you live in Nashville, is to call his show this Monday and run down your list of questions. I can guarantee you will get on the air. I will be listening and can't wait to hear CKS respond. Maybe at that point you will have some satisfaction on the direction of the program.The show is this Monday from 7 - 8 pm on WLAC 1510 AM and the call in # is 1-855-2DORES1 (236-7371). ---------------------------------------------
Posted: 1/27/2013 1:32 PM
Last edited 1/27/2013 1:37 PM by PeteFox
Posted: 1/27/2013 1:41 PM
PeteFox wrote: You rebuild with quality recruits, and bench strength from the previous year. So far, none are in in sight.
Posted: 1/27/2013 4:13 PM
Posted: 1/27/2013 4:42 PM
PeteFox wrote: When did Duke score 33 points in a game? What about the other "programs that had to rebuild".Any 33 priont games there? Any 55% Free throw shooting?
Posted: 1/27/2013 4:44 PM
SumnerCountyDore wrote: how many of our current starters would start for any of the top 5 SEC teams? I count 1,(and that would'nt be at all those schools), with one other being the 6th man in a few places. Love our players, and will be at most games, but our overall talent level is lower than it's been in a long time.
Posted: 1/27/2013 5:10 PM
Posted: 1/27/2013 5:22 PM
Posted: 1/27/2013 5:27 PM
Posted: 1/27/2013 6:30 PM
SumnerCountyDore wrote: I honestly believe we should consistently be the #2 basketball school in this league. We should be consistently flirting with league championships and NCAA tourneys should pretty much be a foregone conclusion in what is not a very good basketball league.
Posted: 1/27/2013 8:39 PM
Well, UK will be on the NCAA and hasnt scored 33 pts twice and dont recall ever seeing them (or us until this era) in the bottom 10 in the Nation for 3 or more categories. Let us not compare our current experience to any program that still beat us at home on their worst possible shooting game, any program that will finish above .500 in the SEC if not win the thing, while we are 2-4 with two 20+ point league losses..Lets worry about our situation and the only way it can get better is with better players and then knowing to play your best in-game players. I would rather see 5 guards / forwards than seeing guys play because they are taller if they dont show you effort. I will say again we have 4 guys on the team that are in their 3rd years so effectively 4 Jr Players by recruiting date..... that is trouble other than experience.
Posted: 1/28/2013 7:23 AM
Posted: 1/28/2013 5:47 PM
mathknapp wrote: PeteFox wrote: When did Duke score 33 points in a game? What about the other "programs that had to rebuild".Any 33 priont games there? Any 55% Free throw shooting?Well let's see...Alabama has made exactly 1 of the last 6 NCAA tournaments.Arizona State has made 1 of the last 9.Arkansas is 0 for the last 4.Auburn is 0 for the las 9.Boston College is 1 for the last 5 (with 2 losing records in that span)Colorado is 2 for the last 15 (with 6 losing records including a 7-20 season).Iowa is 0 for 6 with 3 losing records.Iowa State is 1 for 7, and 2 for 11 since having a team that peaked at #6 in the polls and was a 2 seed in the NCAAs.Though they will get off the schnide this year, Miami (FL) is 1 for the last 11, following a run of 4 tournaments in 5 years.Ole Miss is 0 for 10 after a run of 5 tournaments in 6 years.Mississippi State is 0 for the last 3 and in a downward spiral following several successful years.Until last year NC State had followed 5 straight NCAA appearances with 5 straight seasons at home.Northwestern is 0 for ... nah, too easy.Oklahoma has missed 3 straight NCAAs with a losing record last year.Since being ranked as high as #3 in the country in 2005, Oklahoma State has made just 2 of 7 NCAAs.Oregon is 0 for 4.Oregon State is 0 for the 21st century.Providence has made 2 of 15 NCAAs since an elite 8 appearance...St. John's has made 2 of 12 NCAAs since back to back top 10 seasons.Texas Tech has made 1 of the last 7 NCAAs (and is in a nosedive) since a top 25 season.In 2010 UCLA finished sub-.500 just 2 years off of a Final Four team, and have missed 2 of the last 3 NCAAs.Wake Forest has made just 2 of 7 NCAAs since a 2005 season that saw them reach #1 in the nation.These are all BCS-conference teams. Some of them have never had great success. All of them are trying to accomplish the same things we are. Some of them have had multiple coach changes. Some have let coaches stay and have a chance to build the program. Many of the schools on this list have basketball histories comparable to (or better than) our 4 or 5 sweet 16s and one 50 year old elite 8.Yes, almost all teams go in rebuilding mode. You may say (or someone did) that we don't have to be Duke, but pretty much all programs other than a small handful (Duke, UNC, UK, Arizona, Kansas) go through down years and rebuilding cycles. Often, these are long processes. If we hold to the status quo (make Stallings 'coach for life') I have confidence that we will be above .500 next year and an NCAA team in two years. If we opted to shake things up and replace the coach ... I have no idea what to expect. Maybe better. Maybe the same. Maybe worse. Our next coach being a James Franklin-like grand slam hire is not likely (not to take anything away from DW, 'cause kudos for getting JF, but we got incredibly lucky that we found a coach that good, who was underappreciated by his former employer, and that we realized it before anyone else did). EVERYONE wants to be a perennial top 20 school and contend for championships regularly. Almost NO ONE actually does this. And firing coaches that have been generally successful is often a good way to label yourself as fickle, and a good way to turn your program into a graveyard.
Posted: 1/29/2013 5:27 PM
SumnerCountyDore wrote: I think we will be ok in a year or two, and I'm not as gloomy and doomy as some, but we are going through a period not many programs, short of ncaa troubles or a series of coaching changes ever find themselves in. Here's to hoping we beat the Vawls this week and get back on track.
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