MATheta wrote:   and we may end up playing 4 guard/wings eventually just because there is so much talent there.

I suggested this early, that we might end up like some of the 'bama teams under Wimp, all 6-4 to 6-8, with good length and athletic.  

When we get past thinking and begin playing on instinct we are going to be super fun and scary good and a nightmare to defend.  

You can field an awfully good college team with a point guard, 3 wings, and a serviceable big man.  Especially if you have wings with some size and rebounding capabilities like Jeter and Bright have.  As long as Jones develops into a good rebounder and defender, we should be very very tough to play in 2014-15.

mathknapp wrote:

MATheta wrote:   and we may end up playing 4 guard/wings eventually just because there is so much talent there.

I suggested this early, that we might end up like some of the 'bama teams under Wimp, all 6-4 to 6-8, with good length and athletic.  

When we get past thinking and begin playing on instinct we are going to be super fun and scary good and a nightmare to defend.  

You can field an awfully good college team with a point guard, 3 wings, and a serviceable big man.  Especially if you have wings with some size and rebounding capabilities like Jeter and Bright have.  As long as Jones develops into a good rebounder and defender, we should be very very tough to play in 2014-15.

Like: Billy Mc, Ronnie Mc, Anglin, Elder, Lawson

Except all of the first four could hit a 3 at the drop of a hat plus Billy, Ronnie, and Elder could gash the "D" AND they ran the motion offense to perfection.  Plus Lawson was a man inside even though he didn't have mad skills on offense, he did have a decent face-up 10 to 14 foot shot a bit like Marc Gasol style.

I could see Bright filling the Elder role, DJP as Ronnie, Kedron as Billy (sort of) - but we really don't have that Anglin type "glue" guy who brings it all together or a wide-body inside like Lawson even though Moats has the athletic type frame that Coach Galt could do something with in the weight room.

This is being very optimistic of course because to compare a future version of this below .500 current team to one that was ranked in the top-5 of America and won the SEC is pure conjecture until they can (A) make free throws AND (B) cut down on turnovers.  And those 2 are just a start but the most pressing issues at this time.

bhoyal wrote:

 

Like: Billy Mc, Ronnie Mc, Anglin, Elder, Lawson

Except all of the first four could hit a 3 at the drop of a hat plus Billy, Ronnie, and Elder could gash the "D" AND they ran the motion offense to perfection.  Plus Lawson was a man inside even though he didn't have mad skills on offense, he did have a decent face-up 10 to 14 foot shot a bit like Marc Gasol style.

I could see Bright filling the Elder role, DJP as Ronnie, Kedron as Billy (sort of) - but we really don't have that Anglin type "glue" guy who brings it all together or a wide-body inside like Lawson even though Moats has the athletic type frame that Coach Galt could do something with in the weight room.

This is being very optimistic of course because to compare a future version of this below .500 current team to one that was ranked in the top-5 of America and won the SEC is pure conjecture until they can (A) make free throws AND (B) cut down on turnovers.  And those 2 are just a start but the most pressing issues at this time.

I'm slightly out of my depth ... that team was when Vandy was just creeping onto my radar, so I'm not as familiar with them as many on here.  

First, as you said, that was a top 10 (borderline top 5) team ... these guys project to be good - maybe even sweet 16 good - but don't project as a national title contender like that team was.  

Second, while that team was an offensive juggernaut, a team of KJ, DJP, Jeter and Bright (and lets not forget McClellan) - based on this years results - could be a very high level defensive team.  

Third, I think either Bright or Jeter could fill your glue guy role.  Both are wings, but have the size and athleticism to rebound and take their games inside as needed.  If Moats can renew his confidence in his once reputed jump shot, he could also be that guy -- energy off the bench, willingness to bang, able to stretch defenses with a perimeter shot.  

Still, a lot of positives in the future for these guys.

mathknapp wrote:

bhoyal wrote:

 

Like: Billy Mc, Ronnie Mc, Anglin, Elder, Lawson

Except all of the first four could hit a 3 at the drop of a hat plus Billy, Ronnie, and Elder could gash the "D" AND they ran the motion offense to perfection.  Plus Lawson was a man inside even though he didn't have mad skills on offense, he did have a decent face-up 10 to 14 foot shot a bit like Marc Gasol style.

I could see Bright filling the Elder role, DJP as Ronnie, Kedron as Billy (sort of) - but we really don't have that Anglin type "glue" guy who brings it all together or a wide-body inside like Lawson even though Moats has the athletic type frame that Coach Galt could do something with in the weight room.

This is being very optimistic of course because to compare a future version of this below .500 current team to one that was ranked in the top-5 of America and won the SEC is pure conjecture until they can (A) make free throws AND (B) cut down on turnovers.  And those 2 are just a start but the most pressing issues at this time.

I'm slightly out of my depth ... that team was when Vandy was just creeping onto my radar, so I'm not as familiar with them as many on here.  

First, as you said, that was a top 10 (borderline top 5) team ... these guys project to be good - maybe even sweet 16 good - but don't project as a national title contender like that team was.  

Second, while that team was an offensive juggernaut, a team of KJ, DJP, Jeter and Bright (and lets not forget McClellan) - based on this years results - could be a very high level defensive team.  

Third, I think either Bright or Jeter could fill your glue guy role.  Both are wings, but have the size and athleticism to rebound and take their games inside as needed.  If Moats can renew his confidence in his once reputed jump shot, he could also be that guy -- energy off the bench, willingness to bang, able to stretch defenses with a perimeter shot.  

Still, a lot of positives in the future for these guys.

Nobody on this team is going to fill the roles of either Anglin or Elder, nor should they be expected to. Those guys were unique. Remember, Anglin was an All-SEC player at three different positions (PG, SG, and SF) and Elder was a 6'5" All-SEC power forward, in an era when the SEC was sending multiple teams to the Final Four. Those kinds of guys don't come along very often and it's really not fair to expect anybody to do what either of those guys did. FYI: Here are a couple of links to stories that might be of interest to those who don't really remember that team: Flashback: Vandy's Greatest Players By Decade and Kevin Anglin Recalls Career.

One other thing about that team: Everybody was so disappointed that we didn't advance past the Sweet 16, losing to a 6th-seeded Temple squad. Take a look at Temple's roster from that game and then see if you still think it was an upset:

PG - Rick Brunson (9-year NBA career, current NBA assistant coach, Temple Athletics Hall of Fame)
SG - Aaron McKie (13-year NBA career, NBA 6th Man of the Year in 2001, NBA Finals appearance, current NBA assistant coach--also, trivia buffs, the league only approved the Lakers' acquisition of Pau Gasol from Memphis when McKie was thrown in the deal, even though he had already retired and was a coach for the 76ers!)
SF - Eddie Jones (14-year NBA career, #10 pick in the 1994 draft, 3-time NBA All-Star, 2-time NBA All-defensive team)
PF - Derrick Battie (4-year starter at Temple, professional career overseas, coach at Dallas-area powerhouse South Oak Cliff HS)
C - William Cunningham (4-year starter at Temple, 2-year NBA career, professional career overseas)
Coach - John Chaney (741-312 record, Division II championship in 1978, 5 Elite Eight appearances, 1984 Olympic team assistant coach, and a film clip everyone on this site will enjoy watching: John Chaney to John Calipari: "I'll Kill You")

mathknapp wrote:

bhoyal wrote:

 

Like: Billy Mc, Ronnie Mc, Anglin, Elder, Lawson

Except all of the first four could hit a 3 at the drop of a hat plus Billy, Ronnie, and Elder could gash the "D" AND they ran the motion offense to perfection.  Plus Lawson was a man inside even though he didn't have mad skills on offense, he did have a decent face-up 10 to 14 foot shot a bit like Marc Gasol style.

I could see Bright filling the Elder role, DJP as Ronnie, Kedron as Billy (sort of) - but we really don't have that Anglin type "glue" guy who brings it all together or a wide-body inside like Lawson even though Moats has the athletic type frame that Coach Galt could do something with in the weight room.

This is being very optimistic of course because to compare a future version of this below .500 current team to one that was ranked in the top-5 of America and won the SEC is pure conjecture until they can (A) make free throws AND (B) cut down on turnovers.  And those 2 are just a start but the most pressing issues at this time.

I'm slightly out of my depth ... that team was when Vandy was just creeping onto my radar, so I'm not as familiar with them as many on here.  

First, as you said, that was a top 10 (borderline top 5) team ... these guys project to be good - maybe even sweet 16 good - but don't project as a national title contender like that team was.  

Second, while that team was an offensive juggernaut, a team of KJ, DJP, Jeter and Bright (and lets not forget McClellan) - based on this years results - could be a very high level defensive team.  

Third, I think either Bright or Jeter could fill your glue guy role.  Both are wings, but have the size and athleticism to rebound and take their games inside as needed.  If Moats can renew his confidence in his once reputed jump shot, he could also be that guy -- energy off the bench, willingness to bang, able to stretch defenses with a perimeter shot.  

Still, a lot of positives in the future for these guys.

The 92-93 team was special, but there was no way we were title contenders.  Temple was deep and played killer defense.  If we had beaten them, Michigan would have been our next foe - and they had the Fab Five. The champ,UNC, had several future NBA stars.  We had a great team but the talent gap between us and the regional champs was enormous. 

This Vandy team has the athlecism,speed and defenisve ability to hang with talented teams once it gets some experience.  And having watched Will Perdue's dreadful first two years, I am not ready to write off Henderson.

doreknox wrote:

mathknapp wrote:

bhoyal wrote:

 

Like: Billy Mc, Ronnie Mc, Anglin, Elder, Lawson

Except all of the first four could hit a 3 at the drop of a hat plus Billy, Ronnie, and Elder could gash the "D" AND they ran the motion offense to perfection.  Plus Lawson was a man inside even though he didn't have mad skills on offense, he did have a decent face-up 10 to 14 foot shot a bit like Marc Gasol style.

I could see Bright filling the Elder role, DJP as Ronnie, Kedron as Billy (sort of) - but we really don't have that Anglin type "glue" guy who brings it all together or a wide-body inside like Lawson even though Moats has the athletic type frame that Coach Galt could do something with in the weight room.

This is being very optimistic of course because to compare a future version of this below .500 current team to one that was ranked in the top-5 of America and won the SEC is pure conjecture until they can (A) make free throws AND (B) cut down on turnovers.  And those 2 are just a start but the most pressing issues at this time.

I'm slightly out of my depth ... that team was when Vandy was just creeping onto my radar, so I'm not as familiar with them as many on here.  

First, as you said, that was a top 10 (borderline top 5) team ... these guys project to be good - maybe even sweet 16 good - but don't project as a national title contender like that team was.  

Second, while that team was an offensive juggernaut, a team of KJ, DJP, Jeter and Bright (and lets not forget McClellan) - based on this years results - could be a very high level defensive team.  

Third, I think either Bright or Jeter could fill your glue guy role.  Both are wings, but have the size and athleticism to rebound and take their games inside as needed.  If Moats can renew his confidence in his once reputed jump shot, he could also be that guy -- energy off the bench, willingness to bang, able to stretch defenses with a perimeter shot.  

Still, a lot of positives in the future for these guys.

The 92-93 team was special, but there was no way we were title contenders.  Temple was deep and played killer defense.  If we had beaten them, Michigan would have been our next foe - and they had the Fab Five. The champ,UNC, had several future NBA stars.  We had a great team but the talent gap between us and the regional champs was enormous. 

This Vandy team has the athlecism,speed and defenisve ability to hang with talented teams once it gets some experience.  And having watched Will Perdue's dreadful first two years, I am not ready to write off Henderson.

I thought Temple only played 6 guys that game (?) but didn't they make the final four that year?

The 92-93 team was loaded.  Bottom line is Fogler was outcoached.  Good thing he left for South Carolina.

doreknox wrote:

mathknapp wrote:

bhoyal wrote:

 

Like: Billy Mc, Ronnie Mc, Anglin, Elder, Lawson

Except all of the first four could hit a 3 at the drop of a hat plus Billy, Ronnie, and Elder could gash the "D" AND they ran the motion offense to perfection.  Plus Lawson was a man inside even though he didn't have mad skills on offense, he did have a decent face-up 10 to 14 foot shot a bit like Marc Gasol style.

I could see Bright filling the Elder role, DJP as Ronnie, Kedron as Billy (sort of) - but we really don't have that Anglin type "glue" guy who brings it all together or a wide-body inside like Lawson even though Moats has the athletic type frame that Coach Galt could do something with in the weight room.

This is being very optimistic of course because to compare a future version of this below .500 current team to one that was ranked in the top-5 of America and won the SEC is pure conjecture until they can (A) make free throws AND (B) cut down on turnovers.  And those 2 are just a start but the most pressing issues at this time.

I'm slightly out of my depth ... that team was when Vandy was just creeping onto my radar, so I'm not as familiar with them as many on here.  

First, as you said, that was a top 10 (borderline top 5) team ... these guys project to be good - maybe even sweet 16 good - but don't project as a national title contender like that team was.  

Second, while that team was an offensive juggernaut, a team of KJ, DJP, Jeter and Bright (and lets not forget McClellan) - based on this years results - could be a very high level defensive team.  

Third, I think either Bright or Jeter could fill your glue guy role.  Both are wings, but have the size and athleticism to rebound and take their games inside as needed.  If Moats can renew his confidence in his once reputed jump shot, he could also be that guy -- energy off the bench, willingness to bang, able to stretch defenses with a perimeter shot.  

Still, a lot of positives in the future for these guys.

The 92-93 team was special, but there was no way we were title contenders.  Temple was deep and played killer defense.  If we had beaten them, Michigan would have been our next foe - and they had the Fab Five. The champ,UNC, had several future NBA stars.  We had a great team but the talent gap between us and the regional champs was enormous. 

This Vandy team has the athlecism,speed and defenisve ability to hang with talented teams once it gets some experience.  And having watched Will Perdue's dreadful first two years, I am not ready to write off Henderson.

Must have had double-elimination SEC basketball tournament in Kevin Anglin's days.

"Vanderbilt beat LSU in the opening round of the SEC Tournament, but lost to LSU in the next round."

TwoSaints wrote:
FYI: Here are a couple of links to stories that might be of interest to those who don't really remember that team: Flashback: Vandy's Greatest Players By Decade and Kevin Anglin Recalls Career.