roanoke wrote: The difference between the halves was - in the first half we had tremendous ball movement and got wide open threes.  To open the second half Kennedy tried to cover the perimeter and we scored something like 4 two's in a row - a good adjustment.

For the last ten minutes of the game - we did not have great ball movement but just settled for a chucked three.  Part of this was Kennedy's decision to press us.  It seemed to take so much starch out of us to get the ball up court, we just did not run effective, aggressive sets in the half-court.  UK seemed to do this, too, down the stretch - catch KJ high and force us out of our comfort zone.  We need an answer - preferably another ballhandler to punish the d for this - maybe put Fuller in, or someone else steps up....

Some great efforts by Parker, KJ, Bright.  Really everyone seemed to play above average - unfortunately, we were eaten up by Holloway - and Henderson.  That is the risk of going small.  Overall, in regulation we rebounded quite well by going "athletic."

Again, measuring by performance - ignoring wins and losses - this was a good effort.  However, you simply cannot shoot 10-23 from the free throw line and win in any conference.  We lost one-and-ones, stoned something like six or seven in a row when it mattered most and we were nursing a slim lead.  In rec league, you run when that happens.

I doubt CKS yells at the team much after this.  But they do need an attitude adjustment.  I was super proud of the play from down 75-72 to up 78-75.  But with a slim lead these guys played like they were waiting for the shoe to drop.  I hate to say part of this is scheduling. We should have played a bunch more cupcakes and taught them how to win.  Right now, they don't really know how to do that... and it showed. Give Ole Miss credit - they are good and they did come out flat and fooled by the scouting report.  Still, they won.  That's what good teams do. I hope Kennedy finally makes the NCAA this year.

Also, the last minute of the first half was terrible - we went from 41-36 to throwing it away, giving up two uncontested lay-ins and failing to get off a last shot.  It takes 40 minutes - and sometimes 45.  We gave an excellent 33 minutes last night which, honestly, is an improvement.

Roanoke, can you believe or have you ever seen a coach in the last few seconds of any game look to his bench to ask if they had a timeout?  Versus jumping right in after the make and calling the timeout he should have known about.

What you say about about helter skelter is usually on offense not defense as almost all coaches and as we saw KS even wanted a timeout to setup D..  Our guys ran from inbounds area with 3 guys all the way back inside their 3 line with a late Odom attempt to meet Henderson and got within maybe 10ft allowing open shot from a guy that actually has the range like JJ did and even Lofton did..  so in fact with 3 seconds and we literally had 1 guy that stayed focused but fell down versus having 2 or 3 chasing the ball.  and fouling is taught to occur at the 1 second mark making the rebound putbacks we saw earlier impossible because those all were caught and took 3 to 4 seconds themselves and the Henderson 3 after missed ft by ole miss again couldnt have occurred due to time limits.. 

Just a great 3 point shooting game in the 1st half, then about 8 minutes of moving the ball to get good looks inside and then about 12 minutes of true helter skelter out of control BB allowing them to take over all momentum. 

vusportsfan wrote:

Roanoke, can you believe or have you ever seen a coach in the last few seconds of any game look to his bench to ask if they had a timeout?  Versus jumping right in after the make and calling the timeout he should have known about.

What you say about about helter skelter is usually on offense not defense as almost all coaches and as we saw KS even wanted a timeout to setup D..  Our guys ran from inbounds area with 3 guys all the way back inside their 3 line with a late Odom attempt to meet Henderson and got within maybe 10ft allowing open shot from a guy that actually has the range like JJ did and even Lofton did..  so in fact with 3 seconds and we literally had 1 guy that stayed focused but fell down versus having 2 or 3 chasing the ball.  and fouling is taught to occur at the 1 second mark making the rebound putbacks we saw earlier impossible because those all were caught and took 3 to 4 seconds themselves and the Henderson 3 after missed ft by ole miss again couldnt have occurred due to time limits.. 

Just a great 3 point shooting game in the 1st half, then about 8 minutes of moving the ball to get good looks inside and then about 12 minutes of true helter skelter out of control BB allowing them to take over all momentum. 

vusportsfan wrote:

What you say about about helter skelter is usually on offense not defense as almost all coaches and as we saw KS even wanted a timeout to setup D.. 

TwoSaints wrote:

vusportsfan wrote:

Roanoke, can you believe or have you ever seen a coach in the last few seconds of any game look to his bench to ask if they had a timeout?  Versus jumping right in after the make and calling the timeout he should have known about.

What you say about about helter skelter is usually on offense not defense as almost all coaches and as we saw KS even wanted a timeout to setup D..  Our guys ran from inbounds area with 3 guys all the way back inside their 3 line with a late Odom attempt to meet Henderson and got within maybe 10ft allowing open shot from a guy that actually has the range like JJ did and even Lofton did..  so in fact with 3 seconds and we literally had 1 guy that stayed focused but fell down versus having 2 or 3 chasing the ball.  and fouling is taught to occur at the 1 second mark making the rebound putbacks we saw earlier impossible because those all were caught and took 3 to 4 seconds themselves and the Henderson 3 after missed ft by ole miss again couldnt have occurred due to time limits.. 

Just a great 3 point shooting game in the 1st half, then about 8 minutes of moving the ball to get good looks inside and then about 12 minutes of true helter skelter out of control BB allowing them to take over all momentum. 

Gregg Popovich is arguably the best active coach in the world and he does it all the time. He has an assistant whose job is to keep track of timeouts so that he doesn't have to. Honestly, I think Kevin yelled timeout at the refs in plenty of time, it's just that it's really hard to hear at the end of the game. It's just one of those things that happens.

roanoke wrote: I do not disagree with you on the fact we could have used the t.o.- in fact, I say, I wish we had called the time-out.

I do think it is very important you know you have a time-out.

I will say CKS called more "flow" or momentum time outs than normal last night.

Truly, with three seconds left, many think it is a draw as to who benefits - a good offense knows the play it is going to run and the d does not.  So if the d just clogs up the inbound and sticks to the guy who wants the ball, they are usually ok over three seconds. So I do not mind the lack of the time-out by the d - except that we apparently needed and wanted it and didn't call it.  (or the ref did not recognize it) Still, players on the court should know not to give them a free roll the ball up the court - and somebody has to stick to henderson like glue.  Again, it is a young team.  I do not mind the lack of a time out if we execute the basics.  It is never good not to know how many time-outs you have left.... if that is what happened.

And fouling with one second is great if you pull it off just right - but a tip-in is good up to .2 I believe - and given the rebounding on foul shots in that game - there is no way i would have called for a foul there... especially not on Henderson who probably practices perfect misses. If we intentionally foul as henderson releases at one second - we lose that game in regulation.  Period.

roanoke wrote: and i am not disagreeing with you in concept, either.

My point is not that it is stupid to foul up three - because it is generally smart.

My point is that given the way that game went - I would not be inclined to do it...

and given that henderson did hit his shot - if we had intentionally fouled someone else at the one second mark as was suggested (not by you) - the other guy would have had two shots to win the game as it turned out because henderson's three went down.

I do think we can all agree the last three seconds were kind of screwed up.  That is not an indictment of the coach or the players - but it was not good.

vusportsfan wrote:Roanoke, can you believe or have you ever seen a coach in the last few seconds of any game look to his bench to ask if they had a timeout?  Versus jumping right in after the make and calling the timeout he should have known about.

What you say about about helter skelter is usually on offense not defense as almost all coaches and as we saw KS even wanted a timeout to setup D..  Our guys ran from inbounds area with 3 guys all the way back inside their 3 line with a late Odom attempt to meet Henderson and got within maybe 10ft allowing open shot from a guy that actually has the range like JJ did and even Lofton did..  so in fact with 3 seconds and we literally had 1 guy that stayed focused but fell down versus having 2 or 3 chasing the ball.  and fouling is taught to occur at the 1 second mark making the rebound putbacks we saw earlier impossible because those all were caught and took 3 to 4 seconds themselves and the Henderson 3 after missed ft by ole miss again couldnt have occurred due to time limits.. 

Just a great 3 point shooting game in the 1st half, then about 8 minutes of moving the ball to get good looks inside and then about 12 minutes of true helter skelter out of control BB allowing them to take over all momentum.