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Posted: 2/19/2013 9:25 AM
Something to discuss
Johnny Manizel is going to be on campus only once a month this season for classes at Texas A&M. He is going to be taking all on-line classes. The Yahoo story seems to suggest that this is good for Manizel because of all the attention he would get being on campus. However, my feeling is that he is not the first person to win a Heisman Trophy, he should have to deal with his new found success, just like the Trophy winners of the past. Can one really call Manizel, a student-athlete? http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/...102--ncaaf.html |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 9:38 AM
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what a joke... unfortunately, many of our state universities have extremely easy paths for athletes available (they don't all take the easy road out, but have to believe the majority do). The whole thing is such a scam. That's just where we are today, though.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 9:48 AM
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I understood the online classes were just for this spring semester. Two things that need to be considered:
1. Previous Heisman winners haven't had to deal with camera phones being every where and the potential for their every move being tweeted out. That's a pretty big burden to carry; see some of the photos that were tweeted before he won the Heisman.
2. Was the attention he was drawing in his classes interfering with other students in the classes getting the education they are paying for?
Perhaps letting the furor cool off is best for all concerned, as long as TAMU offers the online classes for any student.
From a previous article, I understood that Manziel was already a junior academically. Is this really that different from upperclassmen who finish their last year of sports eligibility by taking just one class? I've read that about a couple of major players, whose names escape me now.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 9:52 AM
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FWIW...
Cam Newton has been back at Auburn taking classes working on his degree and volunteering again at that elementary school. Held the door open for my daughter's roommate last week.
I admire big time professional athletes that come back and finish their degrees when they don't have to.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 9:56 AM
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I would think the attention to Manziel is worse outside of campus than on it.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 10:14 AM
I just hope he leaves.....
for the NFL after next season. I would hate for our team to try to defend against him for three more seasons.
As for the on-line classes, you do have to wonder how players who have become celebrities can possibly attend class just as normal students and not create a distraction for everybody involved. I don't know if this is the solution, but guys like Manziel are like "rock stars" and probably have as much difficulty leading "normal lives" as a famous actor would if they tried to do so.
Regardless, he appears to be a really bright, articulate guy, so I doubt this is a means of providing him with an academic short-cut.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 10:21 AM
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AnchorDown01 wrote: Johnny Manizel is going to be on campus only once a month this season for classes at Texas A&M. He is going to be taking all on-line classes.
The Yahoo story seems to suggest that this is good for Manizel because of all the attention he would get being on campus. However, my feeling is that he is not the first person to win a Heisman Trophy, he should have to deal with his new found success, just like the Trophy winners of the past.
Can one really call Manizel, a student-athlete?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/...102--ncaaf.html Just a couple of points from someone who develops and teaches online in addition to in the classroom: 1) Web courses are not necessarily easier than those in the classroom. Many are even harder. My experience is that I tend to get better students online than in the classroom. Exams can still be proctored for online classes. 2) If I'm not mistaken, I recall reading that Jimmer Fredette took online classes at BYU because of the attention he was getting on campus. BYU is not as highly rated an academic institution as VU, but it does have some excellent programs. If I'm not mistaken, their Accounting program has been ranked #1. I think Jimmer qualified as a student-athlete. |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 10:33 AM
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captcook wrote: what a joke... unfortunately, many of our state universities have extremely easy paths for athletes available (they don't all take the easy road out, but have to believe the majority do). The whole thing is such a scam. That's just where we are today, though. I guess VU didn't get the word that online courses are a joke, since they've been doing it in graduate programs (notably the Owen School) for years and announced in November they are starting online courses for undergraduate credit: http://news.vanderbilt.edu/201...emester-online/which is not to be confused with the free online courses they're doing for non-credit -- like Harvard, Stanford and most schools: http://news.vanderbilt.edu/201...a-announcement/
"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it." -- Admiral Painter
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Posted: 2/19/2013 10:55 AM
Re: I just hope he leaves.....
NFL can't take players until after junior eligibility
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Posted: 2/19/2013 10:58 AM
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He will be a redshirt sophomore this season, so he is eligible to be drafted next spring. captcook wrote: NFL can't take players until after junior eligibility |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 11:02 AM
It does raise some interesting questions
Is it conceivable that at some point in the future, schools will have student athletes whose only physical presence on campus for four years is to play sports? Theoretically, a student may never have to leave home to earn a degree.
Last edited 2/19/2013 11:50 AM by AuricGoldfinger
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Posted: 2/19/2013 11:48 AM
Re: It does raise some interesting questions
With the cost of a college education increasing annually well beyond inflation or any viable index, questions being raised whether incurring college debt is economically justified in the long run, the expansion and improvement of technology and our "on demand" culture, it is conceivable that the majority of students may never (or rarely) have to leave home to earn a degree.
Other than labs and technical courses requiring the student's presence, is there any real reason for an inperson lecture course beyond nostalgia and the professor's ego?
Colleges and universities are going to have to adapt to a changing world.
Hopefully, they will do a better job than newspapers.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 12:35 PM
He might like...
some of the attention he gets on campus.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 1:03 PM
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I agree that on-line class are not ipso facto, a joke. I have a professional friend who is currently taking on-line video classes from Harvard, while sitting in his chair in Tennessee. My point was that the idea that Manizel can't go to class because of all the "attention" and has to do on-line courses is a fishy excuse, in my estimation. Tim Tebow was probably the most popular kid on the Florida campus, didn't stop him from taking classes, the old fashion way. pinheiros wrote:
AnchorDown01 wrote: Johnny Manizel is going to be on campus only once a month this season for classes at Texas A&M. He is going to be taking all on-line classes.
The Yahoo story seems to suggest that this is good for Manizel because of all the attention he would get being on campus. However, my feeling is that he is not the first person to win a Heisman Trophy, he should have to deal with his new found success, just like the Trophy winners of the past.
Can one really call Manizel, a student-athlete?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/...102--ncaaf.html Just a couple of points from someone who develops and teaches online in addition to in the classroom:
1) Web courses are not necessarily easier than those in the classroom. Many are even harder. My experience is that I tend to get better students online than in the classroom. Exams can still be proctored for online classes.
2) If I'm not mistaken, I recall reading that Jimmer Fredette took online classes at BYU because of the attention he was getting on campus. BYU is not as highly rated an academic institution as VU, but it does have some excellent programs. If I'm not mistaken, their Accounting program has been ranked #1. I think Jimmer qualified as a student-athlete. |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 1:29 PM
Exactly, Tebow won a Heisman and a National Championship
I'm not impressed with this "athlete-student" taking all of his classes online.
Johnny Football also found time to get arrested last year. |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 1:42 PM
The University of Phoenix may be a title contender by 2030...
AuricGoldfinger wrote: Is it conceivable that at some point in the future, schools will have student athletes whose only physical presence on campus for four years is to play sports? Theoretically, a student may never have to leave home to earn a degree. |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 1:56 PM
Then this girl will be the Katherine Webb of the future
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Posted: 2/19/2013 3:17 PM
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Reminds me of the funny scene from 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High' when a young freshman sees Forrest Whitaker's football star character in the hallway at school. "Whoa, he actually goes to school here? I thought he just flew in for games!"
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Posted: 2/19/2013 6:57 PM
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I understand it, but as someone with an A&M degree, I don't like it. He's definitely not going to get the full college experience, and I think it exposes the university to looking like it's providing an easy route for athletes, even if that's not the case. My uneducated opinion on this matter is that it makes me think Johnny Football is most interested in staying eligible and then going pro and probably doesn't intend to graduate before he does so.
For what it's worth, A&M is actually one of the stronger public universities in the country, arguably in the second tier after the truly elite ones like Virginia, Cal, Michigan, and UNC. After VU, A&M, Florida, and Georgia are the cream of the SEC.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 7:36 PM
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There were multiple Vandy starters taking only 1 graduate class in the fall.
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