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Top Hand dominant hitters vs bottom hand dominant

Posted: 4/19/2012 10:51 AM

Top Hand dominant hitters vs bottom hand dominant 


I like the way we are hitting mechanically but that has to go with an equally mature mental approach. We have to know why we hit a certain way and apply it in game situations.

1. Elbow up hitters are top hand dominant early in the swing.

2. Elbow down hitters are bottom hand dominant early in the swing.

This is important because the farther up the hand is on a bat the quicker the bat becomes square to the ball. People with elbow up early get square much quicker. Bottom hand dominant hitters have a terrible time with good fastballs, top hand dominant hitters have a terrible time with off speed because the bat head leaves the zone too quickly.

MLB hitters compromise, they went top hand early to hit 100 mph fastballs, then release the top hand so the bat head stays in the zone as the bottom hand is all that is effecting it. Thus the  MLB swing,

Elbow up and top hand dominant early to get the bat head square early

Release top hand to change to bottom hand dominant later in the swing.

When mixing the two stages  it doesn't work well as a hitting strategy. If you start elbow down and bottom hand dominant you are just slow to getting square, couple that with releasing the bat to become totally bottom hand dominant late and you become xtra slow all the way through the swing. 

If you are top hand dominant early and don't release the bat you tend to pull off of off speed or pull everything foul.

Charting foul balls gives you a good idea if the batters are top or bottom hand dominant.

Bottom hand dominant guys can't hit anything but away and opposite field, top hand guys are fooled by change ups.

Everyone has a style but to get to the majors you have to figure out why things work and apply them. That is why college coaches tend to simplify, they don't know how it works or don't believe the players can master it.

Posted: 4/19/2012 11:52 AM

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I have moved away from teaching the elbow up method. In my experince, you can't hit a baseball with your back elbow up. The first thing EVERYONE does is drop their elbow. So why even do it? Take out that step and your bat speed gets faster. I'd like to see a video of what you are describing. I've never looked at it as top/bottom hand dominant. As I have all my hitters pratice hitting off the T with their lead/bottom arm, then their back/top arm, then both. I thought this was teaching them to "work together" once we started hitting with both hands.
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Posted: 4/19/2012 11:57 AM

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You don't understand how it works. That is why people move away from it. Elbow up gets the bat square much quicker.

Posted: 4/19/2012 12:05 PM

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METTU1 wrote: You don't understand how it works. That is why people move away from it. Elbow up gets the bat square much quicker.
Like I said, I'd like to see a video of it. Not saying you are wrong or questioning your knowledge. I am just teaching what I have experienced, and learned from other coaches, players, trainers, etc. If this way is better, I'd like to see it in action.
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Posted: 4/19/2012 12:14 PM

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another issue I ahve with most "coaches", is they try and "coach" everyone the same. Not everyone is a power hitter, so why "coach" them to be? Yeah Puljos has a great swing, but so does Ian Kinsler. Some guys are top hand hitters and some are bottom hand hitters. One can't hit for power, but hits .350+. So why make him a power hitter? Don't, let him hit .350+ and be on base when your top hand "power hitter" gets to the plate!
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Last edited 4/19/2012 12:14 PM by TechRed01

Posted: 4/19/2012 12:37 PM

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Most MLB hitters are elbow up, 80 - 90 %,

They don't drop the elbow first in most cases, they get the bat square from the rotation of the shoulders on a 45 degree plane. Or a plane that matches the ball.

Prince Fielder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=related

Notice he lifts the back shoulder and lowers the front before the swing, then rotates the shoulders back to the plane of the ball.

Contact hitters do it also. It gets the bat square deeper in the zone. Much deeper. It is how they hit good fastballs with ease.

Elbow down hitters are much slower to square.
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Posted: 4/19/2012 12:40 PM

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METTU1 wrote: Most MLB hitters are elbow up, 80 - 90 %,

They don't drop the elbow first in most cases, they get the bat square from the rotation of the shoulders on a 45 degree plane. Or a plane that matches the ball.

Prince Fielder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=related

Notice he lifts the back shoulder and lowers the front before the swing, then rotates the shoulders back to the plane of the ball.

Contact hitters do it also. It gets the bat square deeper in the zone. Much deeper. It is how they hit good fastballs with ease.

Elbow down hitters are much slower to square.
Josh Hamilton does it pretty well too.
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Posted: 4/19/2012 12:42 PM

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You both just mentioned POWER HITTERS! NOT EVERYONE IS A POWER HITTER! There is a reason there are MANY coaches moving away from the elbow up stance. Just like coaches moved from linear to rotational hitting.
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Posted: 4/19/2012 12:45 PM

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TechRed01 wrote: You both just mentioned POWER HITTERS! NOT EVERYONE IS A POWER HITTER! There is a reason there are MANY coaches moving away from the elbow up stance. Just like coaches moved from linear to rotational hitting.

Technically Josh Hamilton is both a contact and power hitter.
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Posted: 4/19/2012 12:47 PM

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That is why batting avg's are dropping, coaches don't know how to coach anymore.

Again, it isn't power vs avg,

80-90% of MLB is elbow up.

I believe elbow down made a rise because a few coaches who didn't understand it started making videos.

Posted: 4/19/2012 12:52 PM

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METTU1 wrote: That is why batting avg's are dropping, coaches don't know how to coach anymore.

Again, it isn't power vs avg,

80-90% of MLB is elbow up.

I believe elbow down made a rise because a few coaches who didn't understand it started making videos.
Now I may understand why you have been banned from little league. If EVERYONE is wrong but you! That's a lot of D1, minor league coaches, and hitting instructors are wrong.

It doesn't matter how it gets there, the back elbow drop before you hit the ball, it's waisted motion IMO. Even the video of Fielder, look where his back elbow is at contact...down. But what do I know?
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Posted: 4/19/2012 1:30 PM

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no, banned for saying kids shouldn't pitch on one days rest after 130 pitches,

and bear crawling 8 yr olds 140 yards.

On the flip side, you are saying 80% mlb players are wrong.

Posted: 4/19/2012 1:45 PM

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Cecil should have succombed to the local little league and taught Prince your way

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Posted: 4/19/2012 3:51 PM

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His elbow might be up but he drops it (requires more timing) and he gets his hands inside the ball. Julio Franco may have started with a strange stance but ended up with hands down and inside the ball.

Ándale! ¡Ándale! ¡Arriba! ¡Arriba!"

Posted: 4/19/2012 4:02 PM

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The elbow isn't dropping, the shoulders are rotating and the hands are tied to the shoulder rotation.

There are some who drop the elbow but in Fielders case it is shoulder tilt. They aren't dropping the elbow and then turning.

It clocks your bat to square a foot sooner.



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Posted: 4/19/2012 6:41 PM

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The elbows drops.

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Posted: 4/20/2012 12:31 AM

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TechRed01 wrote:
METTU1 wrote: That is why batting avg's are dropping, coaches don't know how to coach anymore.

Again, it isn't power vs avg,

80-90% of MLB is elbow up.

I believe elbow down made a rise because a few coaches who didn't understand it started making videos.
Now I may understand why you have been banned from little league. If EVERYONE is wrong but you! That's a lot of D1, minor league coaches, and hitting instructors are wrong.

It doesn't matter how it gets there, the back elbow drop before you hit the ball, it's waisted motion IMO. Even the video of Fielder, look where his back elbow is at contact...down. But what do I know?
I can only imagine how many championships Tech...or hell even the Yankees... would've won by now if only they had had the common sense to hire METOO years ago...wink.gif

Last edited 4/20/2012 12:32 AM by omaha34

Posted: 4/20/2012 8:14 AM

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The elbow moves down as the back shoulder drops. or rotates. It isn't the back elbow collapsing.

The yankees don't need me because they already do this.

Cecil Fielder was on the Yankees in 1996 when they won the pennant.

Here is a video of Granderson, the elbow drops as the shoulders turn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-YWubjc1sQ

Posted: 4/20/2012 8:19 AM

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This has a good sideview of Granderson, the shoulders rotating bring the elbow down. They are also the source of his bat quickness and power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...feature=related

If you want to hit like girly longhorns then go ahead.

Posted: 4/20/2012 9:03 AM

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Elbow up allows the back shoulder to rise higher, while keeping the top hand dominant.

Swing the bat with bottom hand and see where it comes square, then swing with the top hand and see where it comes square.

If you concentrate on force with the top hand early it gets square quicker, then use the bottom hand late and the bat stays square longer.

It isn't something for 9 year olds, but you definitely don't want to coach elbows down because it keeps them from progressing later in life.

You don't get more bat speed elbow down as some have taught.
TechRed01 wrote: I have moved away from teaching the elbow up method. In my experince, you can't hit a baseball with your back elbow up. The first thing EVERYONE does is drop their elbow. So why even do it? Take out that step and your bat speed gets faster. I'd like to see a video of what you are describing. I've never looked at it as top/bottom hand dominant. As I have all my hitters pratice hitting off the T with their lead/bottom arm, then their back/top arm, then both. I thought this was teaching them to "work together" once we started hitting with both hands.
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