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Tech athletics might punt the KC Knight Kick Off event.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 7:07 AM

Tech athletics might punt the KC Knight Kick Off event. 


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According to this article Tech might be severing a 55 year relationship with the KCs. Apparently the week before the season starts for the last 55 years there has been a fundraising event. The Knight Kick Off and they have raised over $250,000 for scholarships. But this relationship is in jeopardy. I have never attended this event but it sounds like a lot of fun and and a good way to connect with a lot of people. More than 1,500 people attended the event.

“I’ve been to this thing a couple of times, and what (the Knights of Columbus) does is outstanding; it’s unbelievable,” said Allison. “What they do is great for Texas Tech, it’s great for athletics and I love being a part of it. Texas Tech's fan base in unbelievable.” there was no one officially representing the university’s athletics department at the event, even though the organization has donated $250,000 in endowed scholarships, typically to athletes.

Over the last 10 years or so we have growth explode in the athletic programs. Sold out season tickets and I am sure the majority of our home games are going to be sold out too with the exception of teams we should not be hosting. We have an idea that the next expansion is going nice and expensive. Bottom line, is Tech saying, we are making a lot of money and our time needs to be spent on bigger fundraising events, or is our leadership making poor decisions severing this relationship? "We had a conference call with (Texas Tech athletic director) Kirby Hocutt and (associate athletics director) Steve Uryasz, and we were basically told that we needed to find another charity to give our money to"

I am not sure what to think about this decision but I am disappointed. De we get that many events where we can discard 55 years relationship and 1500 people attending? I estimate with my own counting we get 950 at the dallas recruiting event at the end of the season. Do they feel the Werck'em rally will make more money and garner greater support?

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Posted: 8/24/2014 8:16 AM

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Thanks for sharing the story.  I am interested to see how this turns out.  Generally, I trust in our administration to make the right decisions, but as a first-degree Knight from another council, I am wondering what's up.

The excuse given ("we need to spend our time on bigger fundraising events") sounds like a bunch of BS.   Surely, one of the coaches could find an hour to show up and say "thanks".

I wonder if the elephant in the room is that the KCs are affiliated with the Catholic church and Tech is cutting ties with religious organizations?  Probably just paranoia on my part but who knows in this day and age.  The Hance chapel would obviously be evidence to the contrary.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 8:43 AM

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Ya know, I brought up a week ago that Tech has been dropping a lot of fan events. I know Tech has sold out season tickets and has a lot of buzz, but it took a lot of work to get there. Admin better not forget the fans, eventually it will catch up with em. Events like this might be small to them, but are the sort of things that makes 10 year olds become lifelong fans

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Posted: 8/24/2014 8:51 AM

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This is very disappointing ....who the hell turns away someone trying to donate. The RRC and Alum Association spend all year begging for a dollar here and there but all of the sudden we are too big to take donations from an organization that has given 100s of thousands. If tech wants to dial back who participates in the event, that is understandable but to cut ties is ridiculous.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 8:54 AM

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I don't think it is a wise thing to cut ties after 55 years - it's just wrong.

I too am a KoC member (different council) and I've thought this is one of the coolest things done - of course I am biased because I'm a Tech alum.

Penske, I had similar thoughts run through my head about the affiliation to the Roman Catholic church - a big target for some groups, who they themselves are not perfect. 

I wonder if some of the new, outside blood at Tech has driven this agenda? 

To me, Allison's comments on the event in the LAJ article give proof and credit to the importance of the event.

I know that at the event they sell alcohol, recall seeing Miller Lite being advertised which upsets some of the locals, I'm sure. 

I laugh at some of the article, claiming that Tech has outgrown the KoC event....really? In 55 years, Tech football has arrived? Ummmm, hold a second or a minute, I call BULLCRAP on that. We haven't done enough to warrant acting like a Bama or UT whenever we want to show off and pay us our money.

Regardless of the affiliations and other nonsense, this sends a real crappy message - not a fan of Hocutt as much as I used to be or the others.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 8:54 AM

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To be completely fair, gathering $250k over 55 years is really nothing to wave your own flag about. Subs from TOS gathered over $200k to endow a football scholarship in just a few months earlier this year and are working on another already. 

I don't really know the origin or nature of the relationship between Tech and this organization, but if the AD is telling people to send their money elsewhere I'd imagine there's a strained relationship there. All good things must come to an end.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:00 AM

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They have 12-13 fan events per year...more than half of which are typically held in Jones AT&T Stadium.

When those start getting cut, I'll be worried.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:08 AM

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This is a strange development. You would think that if the RRC and Athletics had decided to not be involved going forward with this event, they would have at least had the decency and common courtesy of having the coaching staff represented. After all this organization has supported Tech for 55 years. As bad as RRC membership, donations and fundraising for scholarships has been under the leadership of Steve Uryasz, you would think he would appreciate the KC donations since it didn't involve him doing crap. If it's time to sever ties with anyone it's Uryasz. Check out the RRC membership numbers and level of giving, it's embarrassingly weak.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:09 AM

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Reminds me of when they canned the weekly Red Raider luncheon on Thursdays..........sad day.......
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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:10 AM

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That doesn't seem completely fair at all. How many direct donations has Tech received from members of the KOC locally and state wide as a result of their participation in the event? How many direct donations from those that just had a good time at the event?

It's always been one of the best, cheap Tech related good times available to a lot of fans.
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To be completely fair, gathering $250k over 55 years is really nothing to wave your own flag about. Subs from TOS gathered over $200k to endow a football scholarship in just a few months earlier this year and are working on another already. 

I don't really know the origin or nature of the relationship between Tech and this organization, but if the AD is telling people to send their money elsewhere I'd imagine there's a strained relationship there. All good things must come to an end.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:21 AM

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as someone responded to me via text ...

"I've honestly NEVER heard of a school tell an org to find another charity to give your money to. That's like seeing a unicorn."
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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:28 AM

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I suspect that there is much more to the story than what we're hearing here, and we're only hearing one side of it.  No way does any organization turn down money unless there is a very good reason to do so.   And there is absolutely no way it has anything to do with religion.  C'mon.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:30 AM

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I wouldn't be surprised if it was a religion thing. I know of one conference which has denied membership because of religious affiliation. Seeing as that might be a future option…

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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:30 AM

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another text response ...

"Thanks for 55 years of financial and vocal support. Now, go F yourself!"

I know there's a case to be made to say "seasons change & so do I" ... but seems 55 years of support & tradition through a lot of years of not real shiny TT football might deserve some consideration of reciprocal loyalty & appreciation.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:36 AM

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AugustusMcCray wrote:
That doesn't seem completely fair at all. How many direct donations has Tech received from members of the KOC locally and state wide as a result of their participation in the event? How many direct donations from those that just had a good time at the event?

It's always been one of the best, cheap Tech related good times available to a lot of fans.
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To be completely fair, gathering $250k over 55 years is really nothing to wave your own flag about. Subs from TOS gathered over $200k to endow a football scholarship in just a few months earlier this year and are working on another already. 

I don't really know the origin or nature of the relationship between Tech and this organization, but if the AD is telling people to send their money elsewhere I'd imagine there's a strained relationship there. All good things must come to an end.

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I don't think we're talking about the same things here. Yes, I'm sure they receive some donations from KOC members, but I would hope that just because Tech has decided to part ways with KOC these donors won't stop supporting Tech. That would be much in line with the Leachers way of thinking. 

And I'm sure there are plenty of people who attended the event and then decided to give more to Tech later on, but let's not act like it's been the lifeblood of the program. That's barely enough to endow a scholarship and it took half a century to get it.  Like I said before, a fan website led an organic fundraising drive this year that raised around $214,000 over the course of about 6 months. It fully endowed a football scholarship and there will be an on field presentation at the Arkansas game for it. They've started again and already have something like $30-40k raised. 

In comparison, the event we're specifically discussing (and not the somewhat related offshoots) has averaged just over $4k a year in fundraising, and that's just not a whole heck of a lot. I'm not saying we shouldn't take it simply because it's so small, but if we have different priorities now, or a better means to an end, then what's the harm? In the end the thing that will make this school and program the most money is winning. People will buy tickets and donate if we're winning. And if we're losing and need that extra $4,500 a year, well so be it. Sometimes things just outlive their usefulness. We sold out season tickets for the first time ever, so I don't think Tech is worried too much about the few people out of 1,500 that might be stubborn and ignorant enough to withdraw support because of this.

You have to move onward and upward to keep up. Do what's best for the University. If you lose a few stragglers in the wake of doing something to gain a thousand new supporters, so be it. The bottom line is that nobody knows the reason behind this parting of ways, so maybe it's best to not sit in judgement of Tech or Kirby or whomever, and just support Tech. For all we know there was some sort of inappropriate practice going on behind the scenes with KOC and Tech didn't want to be involved.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:38 AM

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RaiderAustin wrote: I suspect that there is much more to the story than what we're hearing here, and we're only hearing one side of it.  No way does any organization turn down money unless there is a very good reason to do so.   And there is absolutely no way it has anything to do with religion.  C'mon.
Maybe, maybe not.....

But when only one side is speaking, assumptions are going to be made and conclusions drawn.

It is a 55 year old event, kind of sad and kind of the reaction its getting.

KoC is giving money AND giving Tech PR.

I'm sure the council is paying for the food or gets some donations, people are all volunteers, giving their precious time so that they can also give Tech some money.

Slap in the face.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:39 AM

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pitbul wrote: as someone responded to me via text ...

"I've honestly NEVER heard of a school tell an org to find another charity to give your money to. That's like seeing a unicorn."
Which is a pretty good indicator that there's a lot more to the story than what we're hearing. 

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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:41 AM

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pitbul wrote: as someone responded to me via text ...

"I've honestly NEVER heard of a school tell an org to find another charity to give your money to. That's like seeing a unicorn."
Which is a pretty good indicator that there's a lot more to the story than what we're hearing. 

some of you people eek1

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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:43 AM

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--- martaylo wrote:


pitbul wrote: as someone responded to me via text ...

"I've honestly NEVER heard of a school tell an org to find another charity to give your money to. That's like seeing a unicorn."
Which is a pretty good indicator that there's a lot more to the story than what we're hearing. 

some of you people eek1

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I hope you're right ... and that it comes out.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:52 AM

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I loved going to these when I was in high school. Getting to meet Spike and his assistant coaches was cool. Over the years I also got to meet Tyrone Thurman, Bam Morris, and Tracy Saul.

I guess the KoC should just move the thing to Dallas or Midland, and charge $200 a head for entry. Seriously this seem like the first misstep of the Holcut era.


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