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Which Temple BBall Player Will Have Their Jersey Hung Next
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:35 AM
Which Temple BBall Player Will Have Their Jersey Hung Next
Watching the ceremony in honor of Mr. Lear last night got me thinking about whether their are any other Owls deserving of the honor of having their jersey and name hanging in the rafters at the Liacourse Center. In my relatively short time following Temple basketball (2000-present) I can only think of one guy that I have personally seen play that might be deserving "Lynn Greer".
I know many of the "ole-heads" on here have been following the Owls for much longer than I have and i'm interested in your opinions. There's been Perry, Jones, Mckie, Jackson, Pepe..........etc. In your opinion who's jersey and name deserves to be hanging in the rafters along with the other Temple greats.
Last edited 1/31/2013 10:37 AM by CaribOwl
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:30 AM
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Class of '89. I do not have any names, but 2 comments:
1. The standard for retiring a number must be set high. A retired number cannot be used for a very good player or a very popular player, it should be used for exceptional players.
2. That being said, why did it take until 2013 for Mr. Lear to have his number retired?
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:53 AM
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If you want to go by someone that had a solid collegiate and pro game, Eddie Jones. But you can't retire Eddie without Aaron. They were like Batman and Batman.
After that... Jan Post, Chris Lovelace.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:40 PM
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vickmike wrote: Class of '89. I do not have any names, but 2 comments:
1. The standard for retiring a number must be set high. A retired number cannot be used for a very good player or a very popular player, it should be used for exceptional players.
2. That being said, why did it take until 2013 for Mr. Lear to have his number retired? Great question? And it is almost and impossibly high bar to have you number retired... Is it just 5 right now? No, it is only 4! WOW! "In addition to Lear and Rodgers, Mark Macon and Bill Mlkvy are the only players in the 115-year history of the men’s basketball program to have their jerseys retired."
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:42 PM
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Standards are high as they should be for this honor, so the names I come up with would probably be long shots. Pepe has a good resume especially cosidering his steals, should have been # 1 in the NCAA if not for injuries. Eddie and Aaron would be great to honor together, Lynn Greer was great, Tim Perry, Marc Jackson, Howard Evans, John Baum, Lavoy Allen. Big five and Temple hall of famers for sure but the next to have their # hung may not have played yet. Go Owls. Beat St. Joes.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 1:25 PM
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Do we have a requirement for retiring a jersey? A long NBA career can't be it because MM didn't do that.
If its based on someone who contributed greatly to the program, then I think the next individual should/could be Tim Perry. He played a tremendous role on that '88 team and had a nice pro career too.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:07 PM
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CaribOwl wrote:Watching the ceremony in honor of Mr. Lear last night got me thinking about whether their are any other Owls deserving of the honor of having their jersey and name hanging in the rafters at the Liacourse Center. In my relatively short time following Temple basketball (2000-present) I can only think of one guy that I have personally seen play that might be deserving "Lynn Greer".
I know many of the "ole-heads" on here have been following the Owls for much longer than I have and i'm interested in your opinions. There's been Perry, Jones, Mckie, Jackson, Pepe..........etc. In your opinion who's jersey and name deserves to be hanging in the rafters along with the other Temple greats. Interesting question. The answer requires a better understanding of selection criteria. As vickmike points out, Lear played in the 1950's and is just now getting his jersey retired. Accordingly, my answer to your question is "none of the above". Although 50 years is a bit too long, I kind of like the idea of allowing a decade or two to pass before defining someone as a true great. UVa retired Chris Long's jersey during his final home game--which I found ridiculous. |
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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:46 PM
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John Baum. He was the NIT champ. He was an absolute stud. His contribution to Temple goes way beyond the basketball court. And his on-court performance can match up with the best of them. We can talk about the Chaney guys. Macon obviously stood head and shoulders above everyone else. There are so many other worthy candidates, it's very hard to pick one or two without picking five or six. To me, it comes down (in no particular order) to Perry, Blackwell, Jones, McKie, Greer and Sanchez. But I don't know if any of them truly reach that level.
And they all have to wait in line behind John Baum. He deserves it.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:51 PM
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Rysheed Jordan.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:03 PM
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owlfather wrote: Rysheed Jordan.
Now that was good. Well done. |
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:05 PM
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I saw John Baum play. I concur. He was awesome.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:47 PM
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You cannot just retire numbers. It has got to be for the absolute program changers. Other than Macon, who is the all-time leading scorer, no one else in the Chaney-Dunphy era is worthy of retiring their number. If we would have made a Final Four during one of our five trips to the Elite Eight, then we would have more numbers retired.
John Baum's play on the court and life long dedication and commitment to Temple make him a worthy candidate.
You wonder what took so long to honor Hal Lear. Lear and Guy Rodgers are always intertwined. My guess is Lear pissed somebody at Temple off a long time ago. The current administration is thinking they better honor him before he dies.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:56 PM
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You might be correct on the reasons for the inordinate amount of time to so honor Mr. Lear, Doug Graves.
Regardless, liking Hoots' notion that it is wise to wait a couple of decades for the glow of popularity to fade and the real accomplishments brought into focus.
But not a half a century,
GO Owls
BTW isn't great we have so many compelling choices to discuss for the Temple honors?
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Posted: 1/31/2013 5:05 PM
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DougGraves wrote: You cannot just retire numbers. It has got to be for the absolute program changers. Other than Macon, who is the all-time leading scorer, no one else in the Chaney-Dunphy era is worthy of retiring their number. If we would have made a Final Four during one of our five trips to the Elite Eight, then we would have more numbers retired.
John Baum's play on the court and life long dedication and commitment to Temple make him a worthy candidate.
You wonder what took so long to honor Hal Lear. Lear and Guy Rodgers are always intertwined. My guess is Lear pissed somebody at Temple off a long time ago. The current administration is thinking they better honor him before he dies.Well said Well said. Baum is definitely worthy. Maybe Macon and that's it. |
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Posted: 1/31/2013 5:21 PM
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"To me, it comes down (in no particular order) to Perry, Blackwell, Jones, McKie, Greer and Sanchez."
Shawn - I don't think any other than Baum should get up there.
But curious as to why you would not add Lavoy to the end of that list. 3 A10 Champs; all time leading rebounder; best defender down low that I've seen (since '98). First NCAA tournament win in a decade. Never got us to the heights of the others - but he changed our program.
Also, why isn't Greer in the Owls HOF?
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Posted: 1/31/2013 7:40 PM
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As much as I lover Eddie, Aaron and Rick, I dont see them being up there. I dont see Baum being up there either. The guys that are up there are on a totally different level. I dont think its even a question.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:31 PM
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They usually put players in the hall of fame 10-15 years later. When they are retired from basketball, they bring them back. Eddie and Aaron had their night a few years ago.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:04 AM
Most inspiring player: Granger Hall
Granger Hall was an incredible athlete, and maybe the most talented big man in the Chaney - Dunphy era.
He was there from the beginning of Chaney's years at Temple, and along with Terrence Stansbury and some other hard-working players, they built Temple's reputation back up to such a high level that we were able to recruit guys like Macon, McKie, and Jones, Jackson, Lyde, Greer and many others.
I was lucky enough to be able to listen to Temple from the first year Chaney was coach on WRTI, as broadcast by the student announcers. The first year or two, the progress of the team was amazing to watch, and then Temple started getting invitations to the NCAA. The whole time was mind-blowing. Granger Hall was so heroic, game in and game out. He didn't always have the greatest supporting cast, so he had to carry the team on his back, and he did.
His career was interrupted by a major knee injury, and the surgery on knees then required wearing a heavy brace that slowed guys down alot. His injury kept him from a NBA career, but even after the injury, he got the best of Eddie Pinckney in my book when the teams played. I think Pinckney was in awe of Granger Hall's tenacity and ability, maybe more than he was of the bigger & more powerful Patrick Ewing.
If Granger and Terry Stansbury had been able to play their last two years together, they would have been all-stars like McKie and Jones. They didn't have as much exposure, but they made Temple into a place where we could have McKie, Jones, and Brunson, and build the Apollo of Temple.
So the one guy I would vote for is Granger Hall.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:10 AM
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Tim (or Timmy as Sonny Hill first called him on the radio) Perry has to be high on the list in a few years because he was on the first elite eight team and had such a fine senior year. His first year, he averaged about 1 pt 1 rebound, but the staff developed him into what he became.
Timmy Perry was a freshman when Granger was still there, and I believe that Granger Hall had a huge influence in teaching Tim Perry how to play that position, and more importantly how to play the game like Granger played it (never say die).
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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:40 AM
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Loganowl wrote: "To me, it comes down (in no particular order) to Perry, Blackwell, Jones, McKie, Greer and Sanchez."
Shawn - I don't think any other than Baum should get up there.
But curious as to why you would not add Lavoy to the end of that list. 3 A10 Champs; all time leading rebounder; best defender down low that I've seen (since '98). First NCAA tournament win in a decade. Never got us to the heights of the others - but he changed our program.
Also, why isn't Greer in the Owls HOF? I didn't include Lavoy primarily because he didn't achieve the same NCAA Tournament success and I don't think he did anything to transcend the other recent Temple basketball greats. He was a four-year star and his final numbers were very impressive, and I agree that he was the biggest factor in the program getting back to perennial NCAA Tournament status. But Perry was the best player on the best and most historically significant team in school history, Blackwell was Chaney's first recruit and the four-year leader in the program's rise to the Top 10, McKie and Jones were national stars in 92-93 and 93-94, Sanchez was an All-American type and was the face of the program for four years, and Greer's shooting heroics are unmatched. All of the above, except Blackwell, did great things in the NCAA Tournament. Allen did not. And all of the above were truly dominant for at least a two-year stretch. Allen simply wasn't a dominant player, it wasn't his style. You could make the the argument that Lavoy Allen would be the second pick (behind Rodgers) in an all-time draft of Temple players. But to me, his career did not match the others as far as WOW factor.
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