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Posted: 7/11/2014 8:27 AM

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The Crisis on the Border No one who wants to help has authority, and no one with authority is helping. By     Updated July 10, 2014 7:19 p.m. ET What is happening at the southern border is a true and actual crisis. News accounts justly use words like chaos, collapse and breakdown. They feature images of children—toddlers, 4- and 5-year-olds—being shuffled to warehouse holding centers, sleeping crowded at night on what look like pallets, covered only in Mylar blankets. "I never thought we'd have refugee camps in America," said Texas Sen. John Cornyn, "but that's what it's appearing." All this gives normal people a feeling of besiegement and foreboding. Is a nation without borders a nation? Washington's leaders seem to recognize what's happening as a political problem, not a real problem. That is, they betray no honest alarm. They just sort of stand in clusters and say things. There seem only two groups that view the situation with appropriate alarm. One is the children themselves, dragged through deserts to be deposited here. To them, everything is a swirl of lights, color and clamor, and shouting and clanking. A reporter touring a detainment center in Texas noted a blank, lost look among some of the younger children. Every mother knows what that suggests. Children who cry and wail anticipate comfort: That's why they're crying, to alert those who care for them that something is wrong. But little children who are blank, withdrawn, who don't show or at some point know what they're feeling—those children are in trouble. The other group feeling a proper alarm is normal Americans, who are seeing all this on TV and who judge they are witnessing a level of lawlessness that has terrible implications for the country. This is how I think normal people are experiencing what is happening: Enlarge Image A young boy bows his head in a holding cell for immigrant children at the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Nogales Placement Center in Nogales, Arizona.  Reuters It's like you live in a house that's falling apart. The roof needs to be patched and there are squirrels in the attic, a hornet's nest in the eaves. The basement's wet. The walkway to the front door is cracked with grass growing through it. The old boiler is making funny sounds. On top of that it's always on your mind that you could lose your job tomorrow and must live within strict confines so you can meet the mortgage and pay the electric bill. You can't keep the place up and you're equal parts anxious, ashamed and angry. And then one morning you look outside and see . . . all these people standing on your property, looking at you, making some mute demand. Little children looking lost—no one's taking care of them. Older ones settling in the garage, or working a window to the cellar. You call the cops. At first they don't come. Then they come and shout through a bull horn and take some of the kids and put them in a shelter a few blocks away. But more kids keep coming! You call your alderman and he says there's nothing he can do. Then he says wait, we're going to pass a bill and get more money to handle the crisis. You ask, "Does that mean the kids will go home?" He says no, but it may make things feel more orderly. You call the local TV station and they come do a report on your stoop and then they're gone, because really, what can they do, and after a few days it's getting to be an old story. No one's in charge! No one is taking responsibility. No one who wants to help has authority, and no one with authority is helping. America is the house that is both falling apart and under new stress. Those living within it, those most upset by what they're seeing, know America has big problems—unemployment, low workforce participation, a rickety physical infrastructure, an unsound culture, poor public education. And of course discord of all sorts—a lot of mad squirrels running around the attic. They know America can't pay its bills. They fear we're living on the fumes of greatness. They want us to be strong again. Watching our border collapse doesn't look like a harbinger of progress. Here it must be said that those who live comfortable lives can afford to roll with the historical punches. But people who are not affluent live closer to the ground, and closer to the country's deterioration. The rougher America becomes, the more they feel the abrasion. They're not protected. And they know no one wants to be in charge, wants to seize this thing and take responsibility. The mind-boggling fact is that everyone in charge more or less suggests they're powerless to do anything. And the children keep coming. *** The president of course has rushed to the scene—to go, as always, to fundraisers. This is at the moment a scandal, but why? Clever people say it's an unforced error. He has to show he cares! He ought to journey to an overwhelmed border area, stand there and point to the middle distance as a local official in a hopefully picturesque hat briefs him. It's almost touching how much the press wants to see this. But why? Why do they want to see the president enact a degree of alarm he clearly does not feel? For a quarter-century I have been puzzled by the press's emphasis on "optics," their stupid word—actually it is a consultants' word they've lamely adopted—for how things look as opposed to how they  are.  Their criticism comes down to a complaint they're not being manipulated well enough. It is a strange complaint. Give the president points for honesty. He doesn't want to enact an "I care and am aware" photo-op. He will pay a political price, but it is clearly a price he is willing to pay. He never has to face a voter again. The latest border surge has been going on for at least two years. Children and others are coming because they believe that under the president's leadership, if they get here they'll get a pass to stay. (They're probably right.) This was predictable. Two years ago Texas Gov.  Rick Perry  wrote the president that the number of unaccompanied children was spiking sharply. He warned that unless the government moves, other minors would attempt the journey and find themselves in "extremely dangerous situations." The generally agreed-upon number of those who've come so far this year is 50,000. Now government estimates are rising to at least 90,000 by year's end. *** Meanwhile some in the conservative press call the president incapable, unable to handle the situation. But he is not so stupid he doesn't know this is a crisis. He knows his poll numbers are going to go even lower next month because of it. He scrambled Wednesday to hold a news conference to control a little of the damage, but said nothing new. There is every sign he let the crisis on the border build to put heat on Republicans and make them pass his idea of good immigration reform. It would be "comprehensive," meaning huge, impenetrable and probably full of mischief. His base wants it. It would no doubt benefit the Democratic Party in the long term. The little children in great danger, holding hands, staring blankly ahead, are pawns in a larger game. That game is run by adults. How cold do you have to be to use children in this way?
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Posted: 7/11/2014 8:42 AM

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Crisis?

Not sure about that.

It's something that's been going on for decades... however, now that Obama is President... it's a crisis.

Obama has a plan... just needs the Republicans do vote for it. The Republicans are the ones who have been avoiding the immigration problem.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 9:09 AM

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pokefan4life wrote: Obama has a plan...
Obama's "plan" is open borders and welfare for all.  lol.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 9:36 AM

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pokefan4life wrote: Crisis?

Not sure about that.

It's something that's been going on for decades... however, now that Obama is President... it's a crisis.

Obama has a plan... just needs the Republicans do vote for it. The Republicans are the ones who have been avoiding the immigration problem.
We are going to have large refugee camps in this country and will cost us billions and you see no crisis?
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Posted: 7/11/2014 9:51 AM

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There has never been refugee camps on the border like we have now, just stop. This situation has not been going on for years,  You're either dumb or a liar.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 10:37 AM

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giantpoke wrote: There has never been refugee camps on the border like we have now, just stop. This situation has not been going on for years,  You're either dumb or a liar.
Blind loyalty to the Emperor can make anyone appear dumb. We all know there is blind loyalty in this case - which in and of itself is DUMB.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 12:18 PM

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GumbyFromPokeyland wrote:
giantpoke wrote: There has never been refugee camps on the border like we have now, just stop. This situation has not been going on for years,  You're either dumb or a liar.
Blind loyalty to the Emperor can make anyone appear dumb. We all know there is blind loyalty in this case - which in and of itself is DUMB.

I attribute it more to being a contrarian ideologue.   Anything the right hates, he likes and vice versa.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 2:12 PM

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You guys are funny.

Republicans fail to address immigration and when the President tries to get things done without them, they threaten to sue.

Illegals have been pouring into this country for decades. Instead of giving them a free pass when "W" was the Governor of Texas and the President of the United States, Obama has started to detain them and start the deportation process.

This is nothing but a political stunt by the right.

Just like they were pushing the lie that Gov. Perry was going to snub Obama's handshake or how they get mad at him for not doing a photo op at the border, unless he goes to the border like he did in 2011, then it is just a political stunt for a photo op.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 2:15 PM

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Nature is my church.  Love is my religion.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 2:32 PM

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Makes perfect sense to me.   The GOP won't rollover on immigration and give the Administration every ineffective, destructive, economic killing, national security threat type amendments it wants in an Immigration Bill, including or course Amnesty and an open door policy and............    they're the bad guys.

Go figure.  noidea

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Posted: 7/11/2014 9:38 PM

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pokefan4life wrote: You guys are funny.

Republicans fail to address immigration and when the President tries to get things done without them, they threaten to sue.

Illegals have been pouring into this country for decades. Instead of giving them a free pass when "W" was the Governor of Texas and the President of the United States, Obama has started to detain them and start the deportation process.

This is nothing but a political stunt by the right.

Just like they were pushing the lie that Gov. Perry was going to snub Obama's handshake or how they get mad at him for not doing a photo op at the border, unless he goes to the border like he did in 2011, then it is just a political stunt for a photo op.
I guess you mean people like this right winger?

BLACK AMERICAN FROM GANG-BESIEGED BALTIMORE: 'WHERE CAN I GET ASYLUM?'

As the White House plans to spend billions of taxpayer funds to take care of illegal immigrant children who are unlawfully entering the country, some black Americans who live in some of the most dangerous neighborhoods are wondering where they and their children can get refugee status and aid.

On Friday's Laura Ingraham Show, Elaine, a black woman from Baltimore, expressed her outrage that President Barack Obama is putting the interests of illegal immigrant children above those of American citizens. Though the number of illegal immigrant children unlawfully entering the country has spiked since Obama unilaterally enacted his temporary amnesty program in 2012, the White House has said the primary cause of the border crisis is the rampant gang violence in Central America.

"I'm living a nightmare. My whole neighborhood is so violent. There's so much crime," she said. "I have gangs everywhere here in Baltimore! I can't let my daughter ride her bicycle outside – I can't do anything, Laura! I'm trapped here."

Elaine told Ingraham that she listens to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Obama and feels that "nobody is saying a word" while spending billions of dollars taking care of foreigners who are unlawfully in the country.

"Well, what about my neighborhood? You don't have to do it in Beverly Hills, but in the inner cities where we are suffering," she said. "My children cannot play outside. I cannot take my trash out without locking the door – it's awful. Who is going to give us anything? Where can I get asylum? Where can I get refugee status? I don't know what I can do. Nobody cares what happens to my children."

The unemployment rate for black Americans is nearly double that of whites, and the amnesty legislation favored by Obama and the bipartisan permanent political class would hurt black Americans the most by flooding the labor market with more cheap labor. That is why Civil Rights Commissioner Peter Kirsanow wrote the Congressional Black Caucus to urge them to vote against amnesty bills that would make it more difficult for black Americans to enter the middle class.

"Giving amnesty to illegal immigrants would only exacerbate this problem facing low-skilled men, who are disproportionately African-American," Kirsanow conclude

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Posted: 7/11/2014 10:56 PM

And...doesn't Showboat Perry 


Doesn't Showboat Perry have a national guard at his disposal?  Why doesn't he just send them to secure his boarder and stfu until a permanent solution is in place.  Put dem 10 gallon hats on dem texas rangers and send um off on their horsies and fix the dern thing.
pokefan4life wrote: You guys are funny.

Republicans fail to address immigration and when the President tries to get things done without them, they threaten to sue.

Illegals have been pouring into this country for decades. Instead of giving them a free pass when "W" was the Governor of Texas and the President of the United States, Obama has started to detain them and start the deportation process.

This is nothing but a political stunt by the right.

Just like they were pushing the lie that Gov. Perry was going to snub Obama's handshake or how they get mad at him for not doing a photo op at the border, unless he goes to the border like he did in 2011, then it is just a political stunt for a photo op.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 12:56 AM

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There's this little thing called the Posse Comitatus Act, which prevents Governor Perry from calling out the National Guard for the purpose of securing the border.   He can call out the National Guard, say, in the event of a natural disaster, but not to secure his state's border.    Basically the Posse Comitatus forbids the use of the army in law enforcement, except when expressly authorized by Congress.

Hence he's pleading with President Obama to call on his minions in Congress to vote along with the Republicans to authorize the act.   With Obama's blessing, it would be a done deal.   But don't hold your breath.

So you see..........   your and President Obama's refusal to take the situation more seriously would be why he doesn't STFU.



SierraPoke2 wrote: Doesn't Showboat Perry have a national guard at his disposal?  Why doesn't he just send them to secure his boarder and stfu until a permanent solution is in place.  Put dem 10 gallon hats on dem texas rangers and send um off on their horsies and fix the dern thing.
pokefan4life wrote: You guys are funny.

Republicans fail to address immigration and when the President tries to get things done without them, they threaten to sue.

Illegals have been pouring into this country for decades. Instead of giving them a free pass when "W" was the Governor of Texas and the President of the United States, Obama has started to detain them and start the deportation process.

This is nothing but a political stunt by the right.

Just like they were pushing the lie that Gov. Perry was going to snub Obama's handshake or how they get mad at him for not doing a photo op at the border, unless he goes to the border like he did in 2011, then it is just a political stunt for a photo op.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 8:40 AM

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I am gonna miss this guy.

Senator Offers Cheaper Solution To Fix Border Surge

12:13 PM 07/09/2014

Oklahoma U.S. Sen. Tom Coburn says he has a much better solution to fix the problem presented by tens of thousands of illegal Central American immigrants that have been apprehended at the southern U.S. border.

“Look, for $8 million you could put them all on a first-class seat back to their homes,” Coburn said on CNN’s “Crossfire” on Tuesday.

Coburn was answering a line of questioning concerning the Obama administration’s announcement on Tuesday that it would be asking Congress for $3.7 billion to help deal with the 52,000 unaccompanied children and 39,000 mothers with children who have been apprehended since Oct. 1.

The influx has drained resources from border protection and immigration agencies, as well as the Department of Health and Human Services.

The administration’s plan to increase spending is “the wrong approach,” Coburn said.

He rebutted a claim made by many Democrats and administration officials that the immigrants are flocking here — mostly from Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala — to flee rampant violence in those countries.

“This isn’t about violence. Some of it is,” Coburn said, while pointing out that violence has not changed significantly in two of the three countries, and has actually fallen in one.

Rather, the administration’s immigration policies are leading them to believe they can stay in the U.S.

“What changed was the expectation that you could come here, and you wouldn’t be sent home,” Coburn said.

The Obama administration has adopted a policy of deporting only violent criminals. It has also enacted a program called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, which provides amnesty to people who arrived to the U.S. as children.

Coburn also supported the reversal of a 2008 anti-sex trafficking law that requires Customs and Border Protection to hand unaccompanied children from countries that do not border the U.S. to the Department of Health and Human Services, which houses them and seeks to place them with sponsors while they await deportation proceedings.

“What we have to do is change the 2008 law, and say, if you’re not contiguous with us, we’re going to treat you just like you were contiguous with us,” Coburn told CNN.

“We can change that in two weeks in the Senate and the House. Just reverse that law, retroactively.”

Asked if he opposes Obama’s $3.7 billion funding proposal — which was nearly double the administration’s initial $2 billion request — Coburn said he does.

“I’m opposing that money because the money’s going to be asked for again next year,” he said.

Coburn also commented on public opposition to Obama’s stance on immigration, saying that resentment towards the administration’s policies is aimed at a deeper issue.

“It’s not immigration,” said Coburn. “It’s that they don’t see our government enforcing our laws.”



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/07.../#ixzz37GGExVQ2
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Posted: 7/12/2014 11:55 AM

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pokefan4life wrote: You guys are funny.

Republicans fail to address immigration and when the President tries to get things done without them, they threaten to sue.

Illegals have been pouring into this country for decades. Instead of giving them a free pass when "W" was the Governor of Texas and the President of the United States, Obama has started to detain them and start the deportation process.

This is nothing but a political stunt by the right.

Just like they were pushing the lie that Gov. Perry was going to snub Obama's handshake or how they get mad at him for not doing a photo op at the border, unless he goes to the border like he did in 2011, then it is just a political stunt for a photo op.
no matter how you try to twist the issue - there has never ever been 60,000 unaccompanied minors flooding the border.  Never.  Not ever.

You call it whatever you'd like -- crisis is a valid description.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 1:29 PM

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SierraPoke2 wrote: Doesn't Showboat Perry have a national guard at his disposal? 

Why do you support open borders and welfare for all?  Do you also support the concept of extending the food stamp program to the rest of the world?  After all, it's the compassionate thing to do and we're obligated to support them, right?
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Posted: 7/12/2014 2:07 PM

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Posted: 7/12/2014 7:45 PM

Your reading comprehension skills... 


Your reading comprehension skills leave much to be desired.  I am advocating sealing the Texas-Mexico border using the Texas National Guard while poking a bit of fun at their clown governor.  He and Sarah Palin (or maybe even The Donald) would make a great ticket, don't you think?rolleyes
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SierraPoke2 wrote: Doesn't Showboat Perry have a national guard at his disposal? 

Why do you support open borders and welfare for all?  Do you also support the concept of extending the food stamp program to the rest of the world?  After all, it's the compassionate thing to do and we're obligated to support them, right?
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Posted: 7/13/2014 10:50 AM

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pokefan4life wrote: 

Republicans fail to address immigration and when the President tries to get things done without them, they threaten to sue.

That is THE DEFINITION of tyranny... and it is not constitutional.   We have a constitution specifically to prevent a President from becoming a dictator.    He should not only be sued, but jailed.

There are laws on the books to prevent illegal immigration.. the "Republicans" don't need to do anything further, the President needs to enforce the existing laws.  (as should have Bush)
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Posted: 7/13/2014 12:15 PM

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SierraPoke2 wrote: Your reading comprehension skills leave much to be desired.  I am advocating sealing the Texas-Mexico border using the Texas National Guard while poking a bit of fun at their clown governor.  He and Sarah Palin (or maybe even The Donald) would make a great ticket, don't you think?rolleyes
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SierraPoke2 wrote: Doesn't Showboat Perry have a national guard at his disposal? 

Why do you support open borders and welfare for all?  Do you also support the concept of extending the food stamp program to the rest of the world?  After all, it's the compassionate thing to do and we're obligated to support them, right?

If you're really advocating sealing the border, shall we poke fun at the clown President too?

After all, he's the only one who can make it happen.

But I guess he's too busy running the circus.

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