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Posted: 6/27/2013 11:31 PM

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Haven't paid much attention until today when I saw where Zimmerman passed two lie detector tests. Then tonight I see where the prosecutions star witness is caught lying on the stand.

I haven't seen many courtroom cases on Tv, but after seeing Ms jeantel, I'm not sure she did the prosecution any favors. She was very disrespectful making faces, rolling her eyes and telling the defence attorney "you can go now". Then she acted frustrated when she thought she had to come back the following day.

I didn't want to jump to any conclusions before the trial started, but given the two lie detector test Zimmerman passed and seeing the star witness testify, I couldn't help but think it was a good day for the defence.

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Posted: 6/27/2013 11:57 PM

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YippieKieAye wrote: Haven't paid much attention until today when I saw where Zimmerman passed two lie detector tests. Then tonight I see where the prosecutions star witness is caught lying on the stand.

I haven't seen many courtroom cases on Tv, but after seeing Ms jeantel, I'm not sure she did the prosecution any favors. She was very disrespectful making faces, rolling her eyes and telling the defence attorney "you can go now". Then she acted frustrated when she thought she had to come back the following day.

I didn't want to jump to any conclusions before the trial started, but given the two lie detector test Zimmerman passed and seeing the star witness testify, I couldn't help but think it was a good day for the defence.
Who labeled her the star witness? The prosecution never called her a star witness. She is one of many witnesses. There have been several witnesses that have been cross-examined. Previous witnesses weren't on a cell phone but were actually near the shooting as it occurred. The criminal justice system is filled with racism and in a nation where the white people of one political party have repeatedly exhibited their racism towards an African-American President your reaction isn't surprising. In a week when so many white people are so quick to make excuses for a famous white cook's racial slurs what do many white Americans now focus on? An African-American teenager who testified in a criminal trial in which her friend is dead. And those same people who excuse the famous white cook want to incessantly talk about a teenager who called someone a "Cracker" as he carried his Coke and Skittles and was being followed by a person with a gun. 

I don't condemn Paula Deen and I think she should be given a chance to redeem herself but I tend to also be very cognizant of the huge cultural differences between an African-American teenager and an experienced white lawyer. That white lawyer wanted to high-light the testimony about "Cracker" but previous testimony indicated a man who made numerous calls to the police about only young African-American males. Is there any evidence he identified any white people or hispanics as suspicious? Not in this trial so far. So now people take to twitter concentrating not on the fact a young man armed with skittles and a coke was shot and killed by an armed man but how horrific it is that the young man described the person following him as a "Cracker".

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Posted: 6/28/2013 12:48 AM

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MrMcC wrote:
YippieKieAye wrote: Haven't paid much attention until today when I saw where Zimmerman passed two lie detector tests. Then tonight I see where the prosecutions star witness is caught lying on the stand.

I haven't seen many courtroom cases on Tv, but after seeing Ms jeantel, I'm not sure she did the prosecution any favors. She was very disrespectful making faces, rolling her eyes and telling the defence attorney "you can go now". Then she acted frustrated when she thought she had to come back the following day.

I didn't want to jump to any conclusions before the trial started, but given the two lie detector test Zimmerman passed and seeing the star witness testify, I couldn't help but think it was a good day for the defence.
Who labeled her the star witness? The prosecution never called her a star witness. She is one of many witnesses. There have been several witnesses that have been cross-examined. Previous witnesses weren't on a cell phone but were actually near the shooting as it occurred. The criminal justice system is filled with racism and in a nation where the white people of one political party have repeatedly exhibited their racism towards an African-American President your reaction isn't surprising. In a week when so many white people are so quick to make excuses for a famous white cook's racial slurs what do many white Americans now focus on? An African-American teenager who testified in a criminal trial in which her friend is dead. And those same people who excuse the famous white cook want to incessantly talk about a teenager who called someone a "Cracker" as he carried his Coke and Skittles and was being followed by a person with a gun. 

I don't condemn Paula Deen and I think she should be given a chance to redeem herself but I tend to also be very cognizant of the huge cultural differences between an African-American teenager and an experienced white lawyer. That white lawyer wanted to high-light the testimony about "Cracker" but previous testimony indicated a man who made numerous calls to the police about only young African-American males. Is there any evidence he identified any white people or hispanics as suspicious? Not in this trial so far. So now people take to twitter concentrating not on the fact a young man armed with skittles and a coke was shot and killed by an armed man but how horrific it is that the young man described the person following him as a "Cracker".
No, he was not carrying a can of coke and Skittles.  He was carrying a can of Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail and Skittles.

I believe he was going to make some Lean or make some more Lean. Trayvon Martin was a drug user and drug dealer.


   

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Posted: 6/28/2013 1:20 AM

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Never heard of lean before tonight. From the articles I read, I too thought he was carrying a can of coke.

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Posted: 6/28/2013 1:29 AM

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BTW Mr McC, its "cacka" not cracker.

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Posted: 6/28/2013 2:02 AM

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YippieKieAye wrote: BTW Mr McC, its "cracka" not cracker.

 “creepy, white, kill-my-neighbors cracker,” and a “creepy-ass cracker”

Cracker or sometimes White Cracker or Cracka is a white person. It is a term used to insult white people.  The term is believed by some to be derived from the crack sound of a whip hitting a slave.  It is sometimes  self-descriptively used with pride.

In 1947, the student body of Florida State University voted for the name of their current athletic symbol of "Seminoles," out of more than 100 choices. The other finalists, in order of finish, were Statesmen, Rebels, Tarpons, Fighting Warriors, and Crackers.


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Posted: 6/28/2013 2:09 AM

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Posted: 6/28/2013 9:03 AM

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You are one of the most race obsessed people I have ever met. I don't deny that racism is present in our country. I have witnessed it first had. I witnessed it both ways. I am one of the few that agrees with you that Oklahoma is one of the most racist states in the US and I have lived in the deep south.

However, I have met very few people who are as race obsessed as you. Your rants remind me of only one other place. A low income generational poverty comminity that I lived in for a time. A place where parents would ask the teachers why they were teaching the 9th graders to not get pregnant. A place where the excuse for generational poverty wasn't the rampant drug use, the high teen pregnancy rates, or the high drop out rate. The first thing thrown out in any discussion or debate was an accusation of racism, because racism is the great silencer. It turns the debate from the fact to a topic most agree is disgusting.

So, what is your excuse. Why are you so obsessed with race. I have friends who have been wrongly imprisoned who don't focus on race like you do. What is you obsession?

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YippieKieAye wrote: Haven't paid much attention until today when I saw where Zimmerman passed two lie detector tests. Then tonight I see where the prosecutions star witness is caught lying on the stand.

I haven't seen many courtroom cases on Tv, but after seeing Ms jeantel, I'm not sure she did the prosecution any favors. She was very disrespectful making faces, rolling her eyes and telling the defence attorney "you can go now". Then she acted frustrated when she thought she had to come back the following day.

I didn't want to jump to any conclusions before the trial started, but given the two lie detector test Zimmerman passed and seeing the star witness testify, I couldn't help but think it was a good day for the defence.
Who labeled her the star witness? The prosecution never called her a star witness. She is one of many witnesses. There have been several witnesses that have been cross-examined. Previous witnesses weren't on a cell phone but were actually near the shooting as it occurred. The criminal justice system is filled with racism and in a nation where the white people of one political party have repeatedly exhibited their racism towards an African-American President your reaction isn't surprising. In a week when so many white people are so quick to make excuses for a famous white cook's racial slurs what do many white Americans now focus on? An African-American teenager who testified in a criminal trial in which her friend is dead. And those same people who excuse the famous white cook want to incessantly talk about a teenager who called someone a "Cracker" as he carried his Coke and Skittles and was being followed by a person with a gun. 

I don't condemn Paula Deen and I think she should be given a chance to redeem herself but I tend to also be very cognizant of the huge cultural differences between an African-American teenager and an experienced white lawyer. That white lawyer wanted to high-light the testimony about "Cracker" but previous testimony indicated a man who made numerous calls to the police about only young African-American males. Is there any evidence he identified any white people or hispanics as suspicious? Not in this trial so far. So now people take to twitter concentrating not on the fact a young man armed with skittles and a coke was shot and killed by an armed man but how horrific it is that the young man described the person following him as a "Cracker".

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Posted: 6/28/2013 10:27 AM

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cowboykidd wrote: You are one of the most race obsessed people I have ever met. I don't deny that racism is present in our country. I have witnessed it first had. I witnessed it both ways. I am one of the few that agrees with you that Oklahoma is one of the most racist states in the US and I have lived in the deep south.

However, I have met very few people who are as race obsessed as you. Your rants remind me of only one other place. A low income generational poverty comminity that I lived in for a time. A place where parents would ask the teachers why they were teaching the 9th graders to not get pregnant. A place where the excuse for generational poverty wasn't the rampant drug use, the high teen pregnancy rates, or the high drop out rate. The first thing thrown out in any discussion or debate was an accusation of racism, because racism is the great silencer. It turns the debate from the fact to a topic most agree is disgusting.

So, what is your excuse. Why are you so obsessed with race. I have friends who have been wrongly imprisoned who don't focus on race like you do. What is you obsession?

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YippieKieAye wrote: Haven't paid much attention until today when I saw where Zimmerman passed two lie detector tests. Then tonight I see where the prosecutions star witness is caught lying on the stand.

I haven't seen many courtroom cases on Tv, but after seeing Ms jeantel, I'm not sure she did the prosecution any favors. She was very disrespectful making faces, rolling her eyes and telling the defence attorney "you can go now". Then she acted frustrated when she thought she had to come back the following day.

I didn't want to jump to any conclusions before the trial started, but given the two lie detector test Zimmerman passed and seeing the star witness testify, I couldn't help but think it was a good day for the defence.
Who labeled her the star witness? The prosecution never called her a star witness. She is one of many witnesses. There have been several witnesses that have been cross-examined. Previous witnesses weren't on a cell phone but were actually near the shooting as it occurred. The criminal justice system is filled with racism and in a nation where the white people of one political party have repeatedly exhibited their racism towards an African-American President your reaction isn't surprising. In a week when so many white people are so quick to make excuses for a famous white cook's racial slurs what do many white Americans now focus on? An African-American teenager who testified in a criminal trial in which her friend is dead. And those same people who excuse the famous white cook want to incessantly talk about a teenager who called someone a "Cracker" as he carried his Coke and Skittles and was being followed by a person with a gun. 

I don't condemn Paula Deen and I think she should be given a chance to redeem herself but I tend to also be very cognizant of the huge cultural differences between an African-American teenager and an experienced white lawyer. That white lawyer wanted to high-light the testimony about "Cracker" but previous testimony indicated a man who made numerous calls to the police about only young African-American males. Is there any evidence he identified any white people or hispanics as suspicious? Not in this trial so far. So now people take to twitter concentrating not on the fact a young man armed with skittles and a coke was shot and killed by an armed man but how horrific it is that the young man described the person following him as a "Cracker".

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However, I do not agree with you on your believe that Oklahoma is one the racist states in the south.  Oklahoma is just the opposite.  Look at the Oklahoma's record of firsts in desegregation.  The desegregation of public accommodations in Oklahoma began in 1958.

When I was playing little league basketball and baseball in 1955 we played cross town black teams in our league.

OU desegregated its football team in 1956 when Prentice Gautt was granted a scholarship to play there. oSu followed when Chester Pittman enrolled and played football in 1957.

L.C. Gordon was the first black basketball player at Oklahoma State in 1957.

Harold “Buddy” Hudson was the first black basketball player at OU in 1958.

Take a look on how long it took the SEC schools to desegregate, the first was Kentucky in 1965 and the last where LSU and Ole Miss in 1971.

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Posted: 6/28/2013 1:36 PM

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Oklahoma is also the home of the worst race massacre in US history, excluding possibly some of the Native American instances. I was astonished at the number of racist remarks I heard when I moved out hear for college, and that was coming from AL. Additionally, attitudes in 1960 don't necessarily predict attitudes in 2010.
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Posted: 6/28/2013 2:48 PM

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cowboykidd wrote: Oklahoma is also the home of the worst race massacre in US history, excluding possibly some of the Native American instances. I was astonished at the number of racist remarks I heard when I moved out hear for college, and that was coming from AL. Additionally, attitudes in 1960 don't necessarily predict attitudes in 2010.

That is not correct.  The 4 day New York City draft riots of July 1863  were the largest civil insurrection in American history.

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into an ugly race riot, with the white rioters, chiefly Irish immigrants, attacking blacks wherever they could be found. At least 100 black people were estimated to have been killed.

... mobs (overwhelmingly working-class men, primarily ethnic Irish) had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.

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Posted: 6/28/2013 3:25 PM

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RovertoSolo wrote:
cowboykidd wrote: Oklahoma is also the home of the worst race massacre in US history, excluding possibly some of the Native American instances. I was astonished at the number of racist remarks I heard when I moved out hear for college, and that was coming from AL. Additionally, attitudes in 1960 don't necessarily predict attitudes in 2010.

That is not correct.  The 4 day New York City draft riots of July 1863  were the largest civil insurrection in American history.

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into an ugly race riot, with the white rioters, chiefly Irish immigrants, attacking blacks wherever they could be found. At least 100 black people were estimated to have been killed.

... mobs (overwhelmingly working-class men, primarily ethnic Irish) had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.


The Tulsa Race Riots were horrible, & the amount of black wealth lost & lives lost has never been accurately recorded.

I was stunned to learn about when I lived in Tulsa during the 75th anniversary of the Riots.  We were never taught a thing about it in Oklahoma History & never even knew of the events until that 75th Anniversary.


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TULSA RACE RIOT

Believed to be the single worst incident of racial violence in American history, the bloody 1921 Tulsa race riot has continued to haunt Oklahomans to the present day. During the course of eighteen terrible hours on May 31 and June 1, 1921, more than one thousand homes and businesses were destroyed, while credible estimates of riot deaths range from fifty to three hundred. By the time the violence ended, the city had been placed under martial law, thousands of Tulsans were being held under armed guard, and the state's second-largest African American community had been burned to the ground.

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Posted: 6/28/2013 4:02 PM

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That is absolutely not correct.

Crackers were the people who lived in the border region that separated England from Scotland. They were a lazy, ignorant, filthy, uncivilized people who lived for centuries under constant threats of English armies invading from the south and Scottish raiders from the north. Long after other people had housing for their animals, the crackers kept their animals in the family house along with the rats.

The first wave tried to settle in Virgina, but the settlers there were so repulsed by these people they forced them westward into what's now known as Tennessee.

The second wave that came was even more repulsive than the first, so much so, their ships were turned away. They headed south around Florida and finally settled in what's now known as Mississippi ans Alabama.

The term "Cracker pride" refers to their violent nature when they felt they or their families were dishonored. Ebonics isn't a black thing. It was originally a mixture of English, Celtic and lesser used dialects, "ain't, I is, I ax you a question, fitten to" are all modern day forms of the cracker language. The crackers racker brought with them the tradition of cross burnings in there religious ceremonies, the practice of eating animal entrails (chitlins).

There's much more to southern history than you seem to know.

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YippieKieAye wrote: BTW Mr McC, its "cracka" not cracker.

 “creepy, white, kill-my-neighbors cracker,” and a “creepy-ass cracker”

Cracker or sometimes White Cracker or Cracka is a white person. It is a term used to insult white people.  The term is believed by some to be derived from the crack sound of a whip hitting a slave.  It is sometimes  self-descriptively used with pride.
In 1947, the student body of Florida State University voted for the name of their current athletic symbol of "Seminoles," out of more than 100 choices. The other finalists, in order of finish, were Statesmen, Rebels, Tarpons, Fighting Warriors, and Crackers.


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Posted: 6/28/2013 4:08 PM

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Your wrong about the tulsa race riots as well.

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Posted: 6/28/2013 4:27 PM

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Zimmerman suffered from extreme paranoia. He lived in a gated community and yet felt the need to call 911 dozens and dozens of times... maybe even hundreds. The normal adult in this country might call 911 once or twice in their lifetime. This guy called the cops like 50 times in one year.

It's also known that Zimmerman chose to carry a gun, follow Martin, confront Martin and then shoot and kill Martin.

A jury of all women along with the "knock knock" joke his attorney chose to use during their opening statements along with Zimmerman's abuse of the 911 system will do him in.
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Posted: 6/28/2013 4:33 PM

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You forgot the two lie detector test which he passed. Or does that matter to you?

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Zimmerman suffered from extreme paranoia. He lived in a gated community and yet felt the need to call 911 dozens and dozens of times... maybe even hundreds. The normal adult in this country might call 911 once or twice in their lifetime. This guy called the cops like 50 times in one year.

It's also known that Zimmerman chose to carry a gun, follow Martin, confront Martin and then shoot and kill Martin.

A jury of all women along with the "knock knock" joke his attorney chose to use during their opening statements along with Zimmerman's abuse of the 911 system will do him in.

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Posted: 6/28/2013 5:42 PM

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This.

As is posted below estimates are as high as 350 deaths. Thousands of blacks were left homeless because the Oklahoma National Guard used airplanes to fire bomb the black communities after a group of whites wrongly accused a black teen of assaulting a white teen and went into this middle class black neighborhood to lynch him. When the community resisted they bombed it... literally.

However none of this relates to the barrage of "what would you expect from them", n words, racist jokes, go back across the river, etc... that I have heard since moving to OK. My theory is that because OK has such a smaller and concentrated population minorities, whites aren't as often exposed to the evidence which contradicts racist stereotypes.

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RovertoSolo wrote:
cowboykidd wrote: Oklahoma is also the home of the worst race massacre in US history, excluding possibly some of the Native American instances. I was astonished at the number of racist remarks I heard when I moved out hear for college, and that was coming from AL. Additionally, attitudes in 1960 don't necessarily predict attitudes in 2010.

That is not correct.  The 4 day New York City draft riots of July 1863  were the largest civil insurrection in American history.

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into an ugly race riot, with the white rioters, chiefly Irish immigrants, attacking blacks wherever they could be found. At least 100 black people were estimated to have been killed.

... mobs (overwhelmingly working-class men, primarily ethnic Irish) had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.


The Tulsa Race Riots were horrible, & the amount of black wealth lost & lives lost has never been accurately recorded.

I was stunned to learn about when I lived in Tulsa during the 75th anniversary of the Riots.  We were never taught a thing about it in Oklahoma History & never even knew of the events until that 75th Anniversary.


digital.library.okstate...es/t/tu013.html
TULSA RACE RIOT

Believed to be the single worst incident of racial violence in American history, the bloody 1921 Tulsa race riot has continued to haunt Oklahomans to the present day. During the course of eighteen terrible hours on May 31 and June 1, 1921, more than one thousand homes and businesses were destroyed, while credible estimates of riot deaths range from fifty to three hundred. By the time the violence ended, the city had been placed under martial law, thousands of Tulsans were being held under armed guard, and the state's second-largest African American community had been burned to the ground.



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I put no faith in lie detector tests. They are to inaccurate and too easy to accidentally fail or intentionally pass. There is a reason they are not admissible as evidence in the court room.

However, I think he will walk. The standard is not... more than likely or seems plausible. The standard is beyond a reasonable doubt. Since no one has a definite knowledge of what happened in the moments leading up the the attack there is reasonable doubt. Zimmerman claims he stopped following when the 911 operator told him to and then Treyvon tracked him down and confronted him for following. I don't know the truth. There is doubt.

My guess is that at most he gets man slaughter and possibly is acquitted completely.

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You forgot the two lie detector test which he passed. Or does that matter to you?

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Zimmerman suffered from extreme paranoia. He lived in a gated community and yet felt the need to call 911 dozens and dozens of times... maybe even hundreds. The normal adult in this country might call 911 once or twice in their lifetime. This guy called the cops like 50 times in one year.

It's also known that Zimmerman chose to carry a gun, follow Martin, confront Martin and then shoot and kill Martin.

A jury of all women along with the "knock knock" joke his attorney chose to use during their opening statements along with Zimmerman's abuse of the 911 system will do him in.

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Graham Nash wrote a pretty good song about the Greenwood, Oklahoma race riot.

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In fact that whole album is GREAT!!!
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Posted: 6/28/2013 6:04 PM

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Lie detectors don't mean squat!

A typical psychopath can easily pass one because in their mind, they are telling the truth.

He obviously thought his life was in constant imminent danger... hence the dozens and dozens of repeated 911 calls.

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You forgot the two lie detector test which he passed. Or does that matter to you?

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--- pokefan4life wrote:

Zimmerman suffered from extreme paranoia. He lived in a gated community and yet felt the need to call 911 dozens and dozens of times... maybe even hundreds. The normal adult in this country might call 911 once or twice in their lifetime. This guy called the cops like 50 times in one year.

It's also known that Zimmerman chose to carry a gun, follow Martin, confront Martin and then shoot and kill Martin.

A jury of all women along with the "knock knock" joke his attorney chose to use during their opening statements along with Zimmerman's abuse of the 911 system will do him in.

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