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You kids don't belong to you

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Posted: 4/9/2013 8:41 PM

You kids don't belong to you 


This sounds like the Nazi or Communist philosophy to me what do you think?

http://www.breitbart.com/Breit...o-The-Community
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Posted: 4/9/2013 8:50 PM

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Me thinks you need to think for yourself, at least every now and then. Can you do anything besides post websites? Are you capable of articulating a thought, an idea, something that's your own? My guess is no--parrot, parrot, parroting is all you've got. I bet you even cribbed your wedding vows.


 
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Posted: 4/9/2013 8:59 PM

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professeur wrote: Me thinks you need to think for yourself, at least every now and then. Can you do anything besides post websites? Are you capable of articulating a thought, an idea, something that's your own? My guess is no--parrot, parrot, parroting is all you've got. I bet you even cribbed your wedding vows.

I wanted to link the statement in her own words sorry if you were offended.
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Posted: 4/9/2013 9:03 PM

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professeur wrote: Me thinks you need to think for yourself, at least every now and then. Can you do anything besides post websites? Are you capable of articulating a thought, an idea, something that's your own? My guess is no--parrot, parrot, parroting is all you've got. I bet you even cribbed your wedding vows.
all he did was post an article for discussion. why dont you discuss the message in the article, rather than attack the poster? my guess is that you too find it disturbing, but dont want to say that, since she represents the thoughts of your king. distributing our wealth is not enough, now we must share our children.

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Posted: 4/9/2013 9:07 PM

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Doubtful. He only has one response to everything anyway. Hitler.

It is rather quite sad. I pity the old man.
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Me thinks you need to think for yourself, at least every now and then. Can you do anything besides post websites? Are you capable of articulating a thought, an idea, something that's your own? My guess is no--parrot, parrot, parroting is all you've got. I bet you even cribbed your wedding vows.

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Posted: 4/9/2013 9:23 PM

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pokegoats wrote: Doubtful. He only has one response to everything anyway. Hitler.

It is rather quite sad. I pity the old man.
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Me thinks you need to think for yourself, at least every now and then. Can you do anything besides post websites? Are you capable of articulating a thought, an idea, something that's your own? My guess is no--parrot, parrot, parroting is all you've got. I bet you even cribbed your wedding vows.

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Instead of pity I would rather you say what you think about the msnbc host's statement about our children?
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Posted: 4/10/2013 1:29 PM

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jdhawk, me thinks you misinterpreted the context of her statement. I didn't take it that she was saying my kids weren't my kids. I took it as from the perspective of how we as a community approach education, we need to view our children as the community's responsibility rather than just the individual parents'.
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Posted: 4/10/2013 2:26 PM

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Ridebreck wrote: jdhawk, me thinks you misinterpreted the context of her statement. I didn't take it that she was saying my kids weren't my kids. I took it as from the perspective of how we as a community approach education, we need to view our children as the community's responsibility rather than just the individual parents'.
that is how public schools have been approaching it for a while now. how is that working out for us?
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Posted: 4/10/2013 3:26 PM

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drbwh wrote:
Ridebreck wrote: jdhawk, me thinks you misinterpreted the context of her statement. I didn't take it that she was saying my kids weren't my kids. I took it as from the perspective of how we as a community approach education, we need to view our children as the community's responsibility rather than just the individual parents'.
that is how public schools have been approaching it for a while now. how is that working out for us?
Not saying that I agree or disagree with her, just offering my interpretation of what she was saying in the linked video, which is quite different that what the OP was portraying.
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Posted: 4/10/2013 3:32 PM

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Seriously?!?  This is the new manufactured outrage by the right?

We are all suppose to be offended about the notion that our entire society plays a roll in the public education of our children?  It's called: PUBLIC education!  If you don't want your child to be educated in public schools and want to just be responsible for the education of "your" kid, then please feel free to home school them.

However, what she is saying is 100% true.  Whether you have kids or not, whether they go to public schools or not, society, as a whole, benefits with a strong public education system.
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Posted: 4/10/2013 3:43 PM

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pokefan4life wrote: Seriously?!?  This is the new manufactured outrage by the right?

We are all suppose to be offended about the notion that our entire society plays a roll in the public education of our children?  It's called: PUBLIC education!  If you don't want your child to be educated in public schools and want to just be responsible for the education of "your" kid, then please feel free to home school them.

However, what she is saying is 100% true.  Whether you have kids or not, whether they go to public schools or not, society, as a whole, benefits with a strong public education system.
How is the public education system working in Chicago, Detroit, Washington D.C?

These are among the most liberal cities in the country.
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Posted: 4/10/2013 3:47 PM

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The comments section of that article, and I'm sure all of their articles, would be funny if I didn't know all those posting were armed to the teeth.  Yikes!!
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Posted: 4/10/2013 3:54 PM

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teachum wrote: The comments section of that article, and I'm sure all of their articles, would be funny if I didn't know all those posting were armed to the teeth.  Yikes!!
Sounds like a typical Nazi response to me. The Gestapo will be waiting for you when you get home.
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Posted: 4/10/2013 3:56 PM

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Okay. I'll answer your question. Socialization occurs in a variety of circumstances and because of that lots of adults outside the nuclear family help to shape our children. Let us work our way through this without discussing public education.

For example, I coached my kids softball, baseball and basketball teams when they were growing up. And my children were also coached by other adults as well. We all tried to instill the values of competition, cooperation and teamwork in our players as well as honesty and fair play. In churches, synagogues and mosques across the country preachers, ministers, clerics, Sunday school teachers and youth ministers weekly take children under their wings to strengthen faith as well as instill morals and ethics in our youth. When you let your kids spend the night with a friend you only do so because you think/know/believe that their parents are trustworthy and will set a good example. If your children are in 4H or FFA they are under the direction of adults who aim to teach and instill similar values we all claim to admire.

I could multiply these few examples if I wanted but the point is simple but important--we are all in one way or another responsible not just for our own children but the community of children our kids grow up and go to school with. Children don't live a vacuum--they are influenced for good or ill by what goes once they walk out the front door. So, yes, Melissa Harris-Perry is much closer to the truth than you and your "ditto heads."


 
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Posted: 4/10/2013 4:01 PM

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professeur wrote: Okay. I'll answer your question. Socialization occurs in a variety of circumstances and because of that lots of adults outside the nuclear family help to shape our children. Let us work our way through this without discussing public education.

For example, I coached my kids softball, baseball and basketball teams when they were growing up. And my children were also coached by other adults as well. We all tried to instill the values of competition, cooperation and teamwork in our players as well as honesty and fair play. In churches, synagogues and mosques across the country preachers, ministers, clerics, Sunday school teachers and youth ministers weekly take children under their wings to strengthen faith as well as instill morals and ethics in our youth. When you let your kids spend the night with a friend you only do so because you think/know/believe that their parents are trustworthy and will set a good example. If your children are in 4H or FFA they are under the direction of adults who aim to teach and instill similar values we all claim to admire.

I could multiply these few examples if I wanted but the point is simple but important--we are all in one way or another responsible not just for our own children but the community of children our kids grow up and go to school with. Children don't live a vacuum--they are influenced for good or ill by what goes once they walk out the front door. So, yes, Melissa Harris-Perry is much closer to the truth than you and your "ditto heads."
The mere fact you had to explain this makes me sad for him.
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Posted: 4/10/2013 4:09 PM

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Ridebreck wrote: jdhawk, me thinks you misinterpreted the context of her statement. I didn't take it that she was saying my kids weren't my kids. I took it as from the perspective of how we as a community approach education, we need to view our children as the community's responsibility rather than just the individual parents'.
Maybe I did but when she says we have to get rid of the idea that children belong to their parents  it is a little reminescent of the pholosophy is along used by the Nazi's and Communists who espoused  that the children did not belong to the parents but to the states. My children do belong to me and as they grew up I attempted to instill them with my ethics and belief systems I would not have wanted the community to do that for me because the community denied basic civil rights to blacks they weren't even allowed to eat in the same restaurants along side whites. Abdicating my parental rights to the community just won't fly for me.
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Posted: 4/10/2013 4:39 PM

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jdawk wrote:
pokefan4life wrote: Seriously?!?  This is the new manufactured outrage by the right?

We are all suppose to be offended about the notion that our entire society plays a roll in the public education of our children?  It's called: PUBLIC education!  If you don't want your child to be educated in public schools and want to just be responsible for the education of "your" kid, then please feel free to home school them.

However, what she is saying is 100% true.  Whether you have kids or not, whether they go to public schools or not, society, as a whole, benefits with a strong public education system.
How is the public education system working in Chicago, Detroit, Washington D.C?

These are among the most liberal cities in the country.
I have no idea how the education system is working in those 3 cities.  I was taught that states are the ones who fund public schools, not cities.

Regardless of your 3 cherry picked cities, I am sure I could find 3 schools in red states that are not up to snuff either.

The point is, that society as a whole benefits from a strong public education system.  For someone who does not have kids, thinks that poor public education does not affect them is delusional.  Educating the next generation of leaders in this country should be important to all of us.
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Posted: 4/10/2013 9:20 PM

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pokefan4life wrote:
jdawk wrote:
pokefan4life wrote: Seriously?!?  This is the new manufactured outrage by the right?

We are all suppose to be offended about the notion that our entire society plays a roll in the public education of our children?  It's called: PUBLIC education!  If you don't want your child to be educated in public schools and want to just be responsible for the education of "your" kid, then please feel free to home school them.

However, what she is saying is 100% true.  Whether you have kids or not, whether they go to public schools or not, society, as a whole, benefits with a strong public education system.
How is the public education system working in Chicago, Detroit, Washington D.C?

These are among the most liberal cities in the country.
I have no idea how the education system is working in those 3 cities.  I was taught that states are the ones who fund public schools, not cities.

Regardless of your 3 cherry picked cities, I am sure I could find 3 schools in red states that are not up to snuff either.

The point is, that society as a whole benefits from a strong public education system.  For someone who does not have kids, thinks that poor public education does not affect them is delusional.  Educating the next generation of leaders in this country should be important to all of us.
In our state oklahoma city public schools are bad. Vouchers make more sense to me let parents choose where there child is educated not government and would most likely be better education at the same cost. For the life of me I don't understand why people are opposed to the voucher system.
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Posted: 4/10/2013 9:59 PM

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Please tell me how a voucher system is going to help a kid who goes to school in Bowlegs or Allen or Stewart or Medford or Newkirk? I'm quite open to ideas but vouchers, as I've understood such proposals, simply won't work. We can ***** and complain about the state of education in Oklahoma (and the country) but how about some practical proposals before we plunge into radical experimentation with "our" children?

Here's a simple idea that I think might help just a little (I say this with everyday experience of college freshmen in the classroom for the last 25 years). A healthy percentage of my teacher certification students only want to "teach" because what they really want to do is coach. Some of them turn into decent teachers but the majority let the pedagogy slide once they get a job.

Here's my proposal: if someone wants to coach HS or JrH pay them 20 or 30 grand a year but keep them out of the classroom. If they can live on 20-30 grand a year great. If they need more income let them get a job outside the public school system.

But to improve the quality of pedagogy in the public schools you're also going to have to increase the pay substantially. You're a capitalist, I'm a capitalist--everyone on this board is a capitalist. If you want better teachers, create the incentive for talented people to want to become teachers. Enrich the talent pool so administrators have more quality applicants from which to choose. The easiest (well, perhaps the hardest in reality) way to do that is to pay teachers better wages.

Finally, in Oklahoma we have far too many school districts, each with its own layers of bureaucracy (some of which are redundant but how redundant probably differs slightly from district to district). Consolidate as many as possible. Perhaps each county should become a school district--77 superintendents and them somehow peg their salaries to the number of students in the county. In theory such a consolidation would free up monies that could be redirected to the classroom (teacher salaries, books, computers, fine arts programs, etc.). But of course then people like you would yell and scream about the loss of local control over local education.

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pokefan4life wrote:
jdawk wrote:
pokefan4life wrote: Seriously?!?  This is the new manufactured outrage by the right?

We are all suppose to be offended about the notion that our entire society plays a roll in the public education of our children?  It's called: PUBLIC education!  If you don't want your child to be educated in public schools and want to just be responsible for the education of "your" kid, then please feel free to home school them.

However, what she is saying is 100% true.  Whether you have kids or not, whether they go to public schools or not, society, as a whole, benefits with a strong public education system.
How is the public education system working in Chicago, Detroit, Washington D.C?

These are among the most liberal cities in the country.
I have no idea how the education system is working in those 3 cities.  I was taught that states are the ones who fund public schools, not cities.

Regardless of your 3 cherry picked cities, I am sure I could find 3 schools in red states that are not up to snuff either.

The point is, that society as a whole benefits from a strong public education system.  For someone who does not have kids, thinks that poor public education does not affect them is delusional.  Educating the next generation of leaders in this country should be important to all of us.
In our state oklahoma city public schools are bad. Vouchers make more sense to me let parents choose where there child is educated not government and would most likely be better education at the same cost. For the life of me I don't understand why people are opposed to the voucher system.

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Posted: 4/11/2013 8:26 AM

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professeur wrote: Please tell me how a voucher system is going to help a kid who goes to school in Bowlegs or Allen or Stewart or Medford or Newkirk? I'm quite open to ideas but vouchers, as I've understood such proposals, simply won't work. We can ***** and complain about the state of education in Oklahoma (and the country) but how about some practical proposals before we plunge into radical experimentation with "our" children?

Here's a simple idea that I think might help just a little (I say this with everyday experience of college freshmen in the classroom for the last 25 years). A healthy percentage of my teacher certification students only want to "teach" because what they really want to do is coach. Some of them turn into decent teachers but the majority let the pedagogy slide once they get a job.

Here's my proposal: if someone wants to coach HS or JrH pay them 20 or 30 grand a year but keep them out of the classroom. If they can live on 20-30 grand a year great. If they need more income let them get a job outside the public school system.

But to improve the quality of pedagogy in the public schools you're also going to have to increase the pay substantially. You're a capitalist, I'm a capitalist--everyone on this board is a capitalist. If you want better teachers, create the incentive for talented people to want to become teachers. Enrich the talent pool so administrators have more quality applicants from which to choose. The easiest (well, perhaps the hardest in reality) way to do that is to pay teachers better wages.

Finally, in Oklahoma we have far too many school districts, each with its own layers of bureaucracy (some of which are redundant but how redundant probably differs slightly from district to district). Consolidate as many as possible. Perhaps each county should become a school district--77 superintendents and them somehow peg their salaries to the number of students in the county. In theory such a consolidation would free up monies that could be redirected to the classroom (teacher salaries, books, computers, fine arts programs, etc.). But of course then people like you would yell and scream about the loss of local control over local education.

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pokefan4life wrote:
jdawk wrote:
pokefan4life wrote: Seriously?!?  This is the new manufactured outrage by the right?

We are all suppose to be offended about the notion that our entire society plays a roll in the public education of our children?  It's called: PUBLIC education!  If you don't want your child to be educated in public schools and want to just be responsible for the education of "your" kid, then please feel free to home school them.

However, what she is saying is 100% true.  Whether you have kids or not, whether they go to public schools or not, society, as a whole, benefits with a strong public education system.
How is the public education system working in Chicago, Detroit, Washington D.C?

These are among the most liberal cities in the country.
I have no idea how the education system is working in those 3 cities.  I was taught that states are the ones who fund public schools, not cities.

Regardless of your 3 cherry picked cities, I am sure I could find 3 schools in red states that are not up to snuff either.

The point is, that society as a whole benefits from a strong public education system.  For someone who does not have kids, thinks that poor public education does not affect them is delusional.  Educating the next generation of leaders in this country should be important to all of us.
In our state oklahoma city public schools are bad. Vouchers make more sense to me let parents choose where there child is educated not government and would most likely be better education at the same cost. For the life of me I don't understand why people are opposed to the voucher system.

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Voucher system would not eliminate public schools it would just make them compete for the kids along with any private institution. Does Bowlegs have the same problems as large inner city schools? Vouchers would help parents in poor inner city's provide a better education option for their children.
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