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Let's talk OSU vs. FSU

Posted: 8/14/2014 11:52 AM

Let's talk OSU vs. FSU 


It's been awhile since I've been this pumped for an opener! Maybe Georgia from a few years back and other than that opening on the road in 1984 and 1985 (Arizona State/Washington)

Looking at the matchups I think the FSU O-line vs OSU D-line will be a great matchup to see who can control the line of scrimmage.

FSU was very good last year on 3rd downs and to be honest they made first downs on many of their drives without ever facing a 3rd down but if we can get their offense off the field that could be huge in making them punt or kick field goals instead of making touchdowns.

Obviously, the turnover battle and penalty's will go along way in determining a winner. Keeping our offense from moving backwards (especially with a young O-line) might be difficult. I do expect some false starts and holding calls against the Seminoles defensive front.

Hopefully we can control the clock with the running game (although ever since we put in the spread offense with Fedora, Gundy, Holgerson, Monken, Yurcich,) our opponents have typically had more possession time than we have in most of our games.  Boston College, and Auburn both ran well on FSU last year and somewhat controlled the clock.

I know we have inexperience with our LB's and safeties and a key will be trying to get a pass rush, and containing J. Winston while being able to hold our covers throughout the play. Auburn's D did some good things (especially in the first half of the national championship game.) Looking at their defensive stats Auburn was near the bottom statistically in many defensive categories but held their own.

And once again the kicking game could decide this one. Whitfield (one of their WR) is extremely fast and can run it back any time he gets a KO. Kip Smith's KO's may not be touchbacks but hopefully he can continue to angle and get hang time on his kicks and we can have good coverage. On our side when we return punts and kickoffs (I expect we will return more KO's than punts) hopefully Tyreek can bust one at some point.

And finally QB play will be pivotal. We know what they have and for the most part know what we have with J.W. Walsh. Hopefully he will be able to make some plays with his arm and his legs, run the offense smoothly and possibly get a couple big plays throughout the game.

I'm pumped!

Go Pokes!

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Posted: 8/14/2014 2:00 PM

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How were you not pumped for the Mississippi State opener last year? We were favored to win the conference and were playing an improving SEC squad. Last year I was pumped. This year's opener is just a hurdle to get past.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 3:55 PM

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Well good point. I was pumped last year and I'm pumped every year to open the season.

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Posted: 8/14/2014 4:10 PM

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I was way more pumped for the opener against Georgia than I have been for any opener since then.  Not even close.  First off the Georgia game was at home.  These other games mentioned weren't or aren't.  Secondly I didn't think Miss. St. was as good as many people thought they were so I thought we would handle them more than many did.  I am one of the fans currently who simply doesn't like our chances against FSU.  I think they are better than many OSU fans think they are and I think our lack of returning veterans is going to be very difficult to overcome in the first game of the season.

I thought Georgia was a pretty good team but I thought we were better than many people in the country thought we were.  I thought we had a very good chance to prove that in the game and we did.  Georgia took their first possession and drove it down the field and scored easily.  After that our defense made their offense look bad.  Again I was way more pumped for that game than this one but that may be because of my expectations.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:53 PM

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Outside of a few hundred people on this continent, no one expects us to win.  Plus with 9 freshmen on our 2 deep I'd say all the pressure is on them.  This is nothing more than a learning opportunity.  If we happen to pull it off it would be huge.  That said, I hope we come out injury free and keep it within the 17 pt margin Vegas is calling for.

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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:38 PM

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after reading RA's practice report for Thursday.. I"m getting really pumped 


for a win
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Posted: 8/15/2014 12:16 AM

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Boone74 wrote:

Outside of a few hundred people on this continent, no one expects us to win.  Plus with 9 freshmen on our 2 deep I'd say all the pressure is on them.  This is nothing more than a learning opportunity.  If we happen to pull it off it would be huge.  That said, I hope we come out injury free and keep it within the 17 pt margin Vegas is calling for.



Exactly. 

AS long as we don't get players hurt, it will be a great growing game for our team of inexperienced players.   (That's about as positive as I can get for this game's scenario.)
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Posted: 8/15/2014 7:52 AM

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True & Boone - I agree 100%.   Play hard, show tons of potential, keep it close for a while, stay injury free, learn against the best, and then surprise the rest of the Conference with a 9 win season and nice bowl trip.

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Posted: 8/15/2014 9:16 AM

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If I can add my $0.02, I like the OP's spirit-- it's what CFB is all about-- and I just hope the refs get out of the way and let the teams play.

 

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Posted: 8/15/2014 10:28 AM

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thatNole wrote: If I can add my $0.02, I like the OP's spirit-- it's what CFB is all about-- and I just hope the refs get out of the way and let the teams play.
I'm getting that feeling that OSU is going to give FSU all they can handle and them some.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 2:02 PM

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Per the discussion on Mike&Mike this morning, FSU is at the top of the pack for "most likely to run the table and play for the NC" at a 40% rating. I'd certainly like to see the Pokes be the ones to take that down to 0% on running the table.
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Posted: 8/16/2014 1:45 PM

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stillH20poke wrote: It's been awhile since I've been this pumped for an opener! Maybe Georgia from a few years back and other than that opening on the road in 1984 and 1985 (Arizona State/Washington)

Looking at the matchups I think the FSU O-line vs OSU D-line will be a great matchup to see who can control the line of scrimmage.

FSU was very good last year on 3rd downs and to be honest they made first downs on many of their drives without ever facing a 3rd down but if we can get their offense off the field that could be huge in making them punt or kick field goals instead of making touchdowns.

Obviously, the turnover battle and penalty's will go along way in determining a winner. Keeping our offense from moving backwards (especially with a young O-line) might be difficult. I do expect some false starts and holding calls against the Seminoles defensive front.

Hopefully we can control the clock with the running game (although ever since we put in the spread offense with Fedora, Gundy, Holgerson, Monken, Yurcich,) our opponents have typically had more possession time than we have in most of our games.  Boston College, and Auburn both ran well on FSU last year and somewhat controlled the clock.

I know we have inexperience with our LB's and safeties and a key will be trying to get a pass rush, and containing J. Winston while being able to hold our covers throughout the play. Auburn's D did some good things (especially in the first half of the national championship game.) Looking at their defensive stats Auburn was near the bottom statistically in many defensive categories but held their own.

And once again the kicking game could decide this one. Whitfield (one of their WR) is extremely fast and can run it back any time he gets a KO. Kip Smith's KO's may not be touchbacks but hopefully he can continue to angle and get hang time on his kicks and we can have good coverage. On our side when we return punts and kickoffs (I expect we will return more KO's than punts) hopefully Tyreek can bust one at some point.

And finally QB play will be pivotal. We know what they have and for the most part know what we have with J.W. Walsh. Hopefully he will be able to make some plays with his arm and his legs, run the offense smoothly and possibly get a couple big plays throughout the game.

I'm pumped!

Go Pokes!
Only watch the 2nd half.  Auburn was stealing signals in the first half.  Completely FSU's fault but Craig, FSU former QB coach was stealing them.  Jimbo has a thing about protecting his calls with towels and they where not used in the 1st half, and mysteriously they come out in the 2nd half and that with the fact aafter the first drive, Benjamin was heard telling Fisher that Craig is calling the plays. 

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Posted: 8/16/2014 3:18 PM

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stillH20poke wrote: It's been awhile since I've been this pumped for an opener! Maybe Georgia from a few years back and other than that opening on the road in 1984 and 1985 (Arizona State/Washington)

Looking at the matchups I think the FSU O-line vs OSU D-line will be a great matchup to see who can control the line of scrimmage.

FSU was very good last year on 3rd downs and to be honest they made first downs on many of their drives without ever facing a 3rd down but if we can get their offense off the field that could be huge in making them punt or kick field goals instead of making touchdowns.

Obviously, the turnover battle and penalty's will go along way in determining a winner. Keeping our offense from moving backwards (especially with a young O-line) might be difficult. I do expect some false starts and holding calls against the Seminoles defensive front.

Hopefully we can control the clock with the running game (although ever since we put in the spread offense with Fedora, Gundy, Holgerson, Monken, Yurcich,) our opponents have typically had more possession time than we have in most of our games.  Boston College, and Auburn both ran well on FSU last year and somewhat controlled the clock.

I know we have inexperience with our LB's and safeties and a key will be trying to get a pass rush, and containing J. Winston while being able to hold our covers throughout the play. Auburn's D did some good things (especially in the first half of the national championship game.) Looking at their defensive stats Auburn was near the bottom statistically in many defensive categories but held their own.

And once again the kicking game could decide this one. Whitfield (one of their WR) is extremely fast and can run it back any time he gets a KO. Kip Smith's KO's may not be touchbacks but hopefully he can continue to angle and get hang time on his kicks and we can have good coverage. On our side when we return punts and kickoffs (I expect we will return more KO's than punts) hopefully Tyreek can bust one at some point.

And finally QB play will be pivotal. We know what they have and for the most part know what we have with J.W. Walsh. Hopefully he will be able to make some plays with his arm and his legs, run the offense smoothly and possibly get a couple big plays throughout the game.

I'm pumped!

Go Pokes!
Only watch the 2nd half.  Auburn was stealing signals in the first half.  Completely FSU's fault but Craig, FSU former QB coach was stealing them.  Jimbo has a thing about protecting his calls with towels and they where not used in the 1st half, and mysteriously they come out in the 2nd half and that with the fact aafter the first drive, Benjamin was heard telling Fisher that Craig is calling the plays. 

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Posted: 8/16/2014 3:28 PM

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soonerfanNOT wrote:


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stillH20poke wrote: It's been awhile since I've been this pumped for an opener! Maybe Georgia from a few years back and other than that opening on the road in 1984 and 1985 (Arizona State/Washington)

Looking at the matchups I think the FSU O-line vs OSU D-line will be a great matchup to see who can control the line of scrimmage.

FSU was very good last year on 3rd downs and to be honest they made first downs on many of their drives without ever facing a 3rd down but if we can get their offense off the field that could be huge in making them punt or kick field goals instead of making touchdowns.

Obviously, the turnover battle and penalty's will go along way in determining a winner. Keeping our offense from moving backwards (especially with a young O-line) might be difficult. I do expect some false starts and holding calls against the Seminoles defensive front.

Hopefully we can control the clock with the running game (although ever since we put in the spread offense with Fedora, Gundy, Holgerson, Monken, Yurcich,) our opponents have typically had more possession time than we have in most of our games.  Boston College, and Auburn both ran well on FSU last year and somewhat controlled the clock.

I know we have inexperience with our LB's and safeties and a key will be trying to get a pass rush, and containing J. Winston while being able to hold our covers throughout the play. Auburn's D did some good things (especially in the first half of the national championship game.) Looking at their defensive stats Auburn was near the bottom statistically in many defensive categories but held their own.

And once again the kicking game could decide this one. Whitfield (one of their WR) is extremely fast and can run it back any time he gets a KO. Kip Smith's KO's may not be touchbacks but hopefully he can continue to angle and get hang time on his kicks and we can have good coverage. On our side when we return punts and kickoffs (I expect we will return more KO's than punts) hopefully Tyreek can bust one at some point.

And finally QB play will be pivotal. We know what they have and for the most part know what we have with J.W. Walsh. Hopefully he will be able to make some plays with his arm and his legs, run the offense smoothly and possibly get a couple big plays throughout the game.

I'm pumped!

Go Pokes!
Only watch the 2nd half.  Auburn was stealing signals in the first half.  Completely FSU's fault but Craig, FSU former QB coach was stealing them.  Jimbo has a thing about protecting his calls with towels and they where not used in the 1st half, and mysteriously they come out in the 2nd half and that with the fact aafter the first drive, Benjamin was heard telling Fisher that Craig is calling the plays. 

http://cbssports.com/images/collegefootball/USATSI_7657943.jpg


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I heard as much after the game as well.  I also heard this as a possibility for why we had so much trouble against WVU last year.
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Posted: 8/16/2014 4:03 PM

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I believe the TV ratings for this game will be the tops for the opening weekend.
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Posted: 8/16/2014 4:53 PM

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soonerfanNOT wrote:


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--- AFNole16 wrote:


stillH20poke wrote: It's been awhile since I've been this pumped for an opener! Maybe Georgia from a few years back and other than that opening on the road in 1984 and 1985 (Arizona State/Washington)

Looking at the matchups I think the FSU O-line vs OSU D-line will be a great matchup to see who can control the line of scrimmage.

FSU was very good last year on 3rd downs and to be honest they made first downs on many of their drives without ever facing a 3rd down but if we can get their offense off the field that could be huge in making them punt or kick field goals instead of making touchdowns.

Obviously, the turnover battle and penalty's will go along way in determining a winner. Keeping our offense from moving backwards (especially with a young O-line) might be difficult. I do expect some false starts and holding calls against the Seminoles defensive front.

Hopefully we can control the clock with the running game (although ever since we put in the spread offense with Fedora, Gundy, Holgerson, Monken, Yurcich,) our opponents have typically had more possession time than we have in most of our games.  Boston College, and Auburn both ran well on FSU last year and somewhat controlled the clock.

I know we have inexperience with our LB's and safeties and a key will be trying to get a pass rush, and containing J. Winston while being able to hold our covers throughout the play. Auburn's D did some good things (especially in the first half of the national championship game.) Looking at their defensive stats Auburn was near the bottom statistically in many defensive categories but held their own.

And once again the kicking game could decide this one. Whitfield (one of their WR) is extremely fast and can run it back any time he gets a KO. Kip Smith's KO's may not be touchbacks but hopefully he can continue to angle and get hang time on his kicks and we can have good coverage. On our side when we return punts and kickoffs (I expect we will return more KO's than punts) hopefully Tyreek can bust one at some point.

And finally QB play will be pivotal. We know what they have and for the most part know what we have with J.W. Walsh. Hopefully he will be able to make some plays with his arm and his legs, run the offense smoothly and possibly get a couple big plays throughout the game.

I'm pumped!

Go Pokes!
Only watch the 2nd half.  Auburn was stealing signals in the first half.  Completely FSU's fault but Craig, FSU former QB coach was stealing them.  Jimbo has a thing about protecting his calls with towels and they where not used in the 1st half, and mysteriously they come out in the 2nd half and that with the fact aafter the first drive, Benjamin was heard telling Fisher that Craig is calling the plays. 

http://cbssports.com/images/collegefootball/USATSI_7657943.jpg


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I'm pretty sure Jimbo and company took blame for not changing the signals after Craig left so not really an excuse, just pure stupidity at that moment by the staff.  I don't know what more do you want?  noidea

There is video on youtube of Benjamin coming over to Winston and Fisher after the first drive and saying it.
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Posted: 8/16/2014 5:23 PM

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Boone74 wrote:

Outside of a few hundred people on this continent, no one expects us to win.  Plus with 9 freshmen on our 2 deep I'd say all the pressure is on them.  This is nothing more than a learning opportunity.  If we happen to pull it off it would be huge.  That said, I hope we come out injury free and keep it within the 17 pt margin Vegas is calling for.

If we finish out of that 17 pt margin, IMHO, it would be a travesty.  IMHO, we are more than capable of winning this game.  We have lost our last two games...both huge ones...we are due and, like you said, have absolutely NOTHING to lose.
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Posted: 8/16/2014 5:26 PM

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TrueAnalyst wrote:
Boone74 wrote:

Outside of a few hundred people on this continent, no one expects us to win.  Plus with 9 freshmen on our 2 deep I'd say all the pressure is on them.  This is nothing more than a learning opportunity.  If we happen to pull it off it would be huge.  That said, I hope we come out injury free and keep it within the 17 pt margin Vegas is calling for.



Exactly. 

AS long as we don't get players hurt, it will be a great growing game for our team of inexperienced players.   (That's about as positive as I can get for this game's scenario.)
You always undervalue our teams and are undervaluing this one as well.  I expect us to play them a very good game...so do many others.  I expect FAR MORE than not getting our wittle players hurt against big bad FSU.rolleyes..give me a freaking break.  banghead

Bottom line, if we can't sack it up and give them a hell of a game then we haven't progressed as a program nearly as far as we should have with the attention and money we have thrown at this football program.  I can't think of a single game in the past three years where we didn't have a shot in the fourth quarter.. will it happen against FSU?  Maybe...but I'd bet on Gundy and Co. to at least be tight in this thing with a chance to win late.

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Posted: 8/16/2014 5:43 PM

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erack wrote:
TrueAnalyst wrote:
Boone74 wrote:

Outside of a few hundred people on this continent, no one expects us to win.  Plus with 9 freshmen on our 2 deep I'd say all the pressure is on them.  This is nothing more than a learning opportunity.  If we happen to pull it off it would be huge.  That said, I hope we come out injury free and keep it within the 17 pt margin Vegas is calling for.



Exactly. 

AS long as we don't get players hurt, it will be a great growing game for our team of inexperienced players.   (That's about as positive as I can get for this game's scenario.)
You always undervalue our teams and are undervaluing this one as well.  I expect us to play them a very good game...so do many others.  I expect FAR MORE than not getting our wittle players hurt against big bad FSU.rolleyes..give me a freaking break.  banghead

Bottom line, if we can't sack it up and give them a hell of a game then we haven't progressed as a program nearly as far as we should have with the attention and money we have thrown at this football program.
the truth of the matter is our team has a lot of talent.  I believe we have enough to keep us in the game, not sure if we will win, but we can.  I am predicting both teams will be in the mid to upper 30's, possibly going into the lower 40's.  Like every other game, the winner will be dictated by whoever controls the line of scrimmage and wins the turnover battle.

Honestly though this is probably not our big year.  the bulk of our talent is very young and we are really set up well to make a big run for it all in the next year or two if we can continue to recruit well and keep our program going in the right direction (keep our current players out of trouble).
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Posted: 8/16/2014 7:10 PM

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erack wrote:
Boone74 wrote:

Outside of a few hundred people on this continent, no one expects us to win.  Plus with 9 freshmen on our 2 deep I'd say all the pressure is on them.  This is nothing more than a learning opportunity.  If we happen to pull it off it would be huge.  That said, I hope we come out injury free and keep it within the 17 pt margin Vegas is calling for.

If we finish out of that 17 pt margin, IMHO, it would be a travesty.  IMHO, we are more than capable of winning this game.  We have lost our last two games...both huge ones...we are due and, like you said, have absolutely NOTHING to lose.


Complete hogwash erack.

#1.  I'll be tickled pink if we play them within 17 points.   Unless we blow a lead in the 2nd half, then I'll be appropriately real mad.   You're obviously ignoring who we're playing, and you're ignoring how we started last year with the most veteran ball club just about in OSU history.   This year, we have about the least veteran ball club in OSu history.  So what's gonna change so much that we fumbled and bumbled at the start of last year and looked inept and clueless and poorly coached against West Virginia?

(Oh - and remember we lost the best O-line coach in the country to Texas in the offseason.  Joe Wickline isn't forming and preparing this o-line.   If I were you, I'd expect things to go somewhat differently at the start of this year.)

Bottom line - I hate to tell you this, but FSU is about 500% better than the West Virginia club we played last year.


#2.  "We are due" you said.   Due what I pray ask??    It's a different year now.  We lost 28 seniors from last year.  We're playing FSU with this year's roster, not last year's roster.   This team is not "due" anything. 


Now then - you can correctly state that I'm a glass half-empty guy instead of a glass half-full guy.   I'll plead guilty to that one.   You do have legit arrows to sling at me regarding my usual and general outlook.  

But I'll also add I've been a Cowboy fan (and obviously a proud alum) for 45 years.    I know better than to count my eggs before they're hatched when it come to Cowboy football.    Not that way in baseball, of course, having enjoyed the Gary Ward regime.   But football?  2011 was forever coming.
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