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Posted: 7/11/2014 1:29 PM

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Apparently...but it's behind the TWorld paywall.

Anyone who can post details please do so.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 1:58 PM

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OSU alum sues Sports Illustrated over 'Dirty Game' series
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STILLWATER — A Fellowship of Christian Athletes representative who reportedly paid illegal benefits to Oklahoma State University football players has sued Time Inc. over his portrayal in the Sports Illustrated series "The Dirty Game."

A lawsuit filed Thursday in Payne County District Court by John Talley lists Sports Illustrated Magazine, along with employees George Dohrmann and Thayer Evans, as defendants.

Talley is seeking damages in excess of $10,000 that he claims are a result of the September 2013 Sports Illustrated investigative series into the Oklahoma State University football program titled “The Dirty Game.”

According to the suit, Talley alleges that in the course of publishing the five-part story, Sports Illustrated made particular, specific and malicious allegations against him and painted him in a false light as performing illegal booster activities.

The suit claims Sports Illustrated painted Talley as an overzealous booster who made systematic improper financial contributions to OSU’s football players and grossly overpaid them for jobs they did or compensated them for jobs they didn’t do.

Among the claims the suit argues are false is that Talley paid former OSU football player Brad Girtman $1,500 to $2,000 every two weeks during one summer to work on Talley’s ranch.

The suit also puts into question whether Sports Illustrated accurately reported Seymore Shaw’s claim that Talley “set up speaking gigs for players, paying $100 for a 15-20-minute talk” and that an athlete “might get more depending on who … they were.”

Also included in the suit are allegations that Sports Illustrated intentionally published false claims by Fath’ Carter that Talley paid him money to “help shoe horses.”

The suit goes on to allege that Sports Illustrated knowingly and intentionally published false claims that Aso Pogi — a former OSU football player — told them that he had knowledge of serious ethical violations by Talley in the form of alleged illegal payments to OSU players and that, when he was starting quarterback for OSU, Talley allowed him to live at his ranch rent free during one summer.

The suit also alleges that Sports Illustrated published quotes from Talley in a misleading and out of context manner.

Gary Richardson, an attorney at Richardson, Richardson, Boudreaux PLLC in Tulsa, is representing Talley and said he started building the case shortly after the series was published because the statute of limitations for this kind of case is one year.

“Sports Illustrated really did a pretty sloppy job in their writing and, obviously, in their investigation,” he said. “They really put (Talley) in a false light with the things that they reported and claimed to have been told by sources."

Richardson also said because what he sees as faulty reporting painted Talley in a false light, they will be seeking a sizable amount of monetary damages.

“In some instances, they used questionable resources that they didn’t verify, and they have a responsibility to verify information when they have a questionable source,” he said. “So we’ll be asking for a heck of a lot more than $75,000.”

Efforts to reach a Time Inc. representative on Friday weren't immediately successful.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 2:05 PM

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Thanks for posting.

I hope Talley is 110% clean....and he is the first of many to sue.

Interesting Holder's recent comments that he 'didn't know the status of Smrt's investigation but was tired of writing checks'. Maybe Smrt's report is nearing completion.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 2:28 PM

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I still think the girls SI painted as basically whores should sue them
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:10 PM

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soonerfanNOT wrote: I still think the girls SI painted as basically whores should sue them

Should Talley win against SI and that ou kowtowing toady, Evans, expect to see a growing list of others anxious to sue them, too.

Good Lord, how great it would be to see Thayer Evans wrapped up in court cases until the next century. How great it would be to see Evans broke from attorney fees and court decisions.

Couldn't have happened to a better guy.

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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:45 PM

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OStateMan wrote:
soonerfanNOT wrote: I still think the girls SI painted as basically whores should sue them

Should Talley win against SI and that ou kowtowing toady, Evans, expect to see a growing list of others anxious to sue them, too.

Good Lord, how great it would be to see Thayer Evans wrapped up in court cases until the next century. How great it would be to see Evans broke from attorney fees and court decisions.

Couldn't have happened to a better guy.

SI probably will handle all the attorney fees.. Not good for anybody when the real law gets involved and is asking questions, lying to them is jail time.. Sometimes things should just be left alone to die a quiet death..
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Posted: 7/11/2014 7:51 PM

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Probably some truth in what you say...but if Truth is on your side, may the Force be with you.

My guess is 10% of that crap generally fabricated by Evans was factual - but not necessarily relayed in context. So I don't dismiss it all nor do I think everything Orange was really pure as snow.

But there's no doubt whatsoever that a lot of good folks got unjustly smeared by this and we all know why. It is in fact criminal. That cretin TE should in fact be put in a court of law and grilled.

Folks shouldn't be allowed to smear your reputation unjustly and then just walk away.

I hope Talley has some good lawyers that will shed some light on the background story that generally only OSU folks know or care about. And in the end, I hope Thayer Evans is either cleaning Talley's stable for the rest of his miserable life, or he's working at Denny's with that bitter Artrell Woods for a decade or so.

hoggjaws wrote:

 Not good for anybody when the real law gets involved and is asking questions, lying to them is jail time.. Sometimes things should just be left alone to die a quiet death..
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Posted: 7/11/2014 7:54 PM

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Sooner, I'll have to regard your statement as an indictment of OSU and the good people who were wronged by Thayer Evans and SI.  I say let the truth come out in the news, on the internet, or in a court of law.  Let the chips fall where they may and we'll see if anyone does jail time, NCAA probation time, or pays settlements to the wronged.  It seems to me that that is exactly the attitude of Burns Hargis, Mike Holder, John Talley, every Cowboy, and any decent human being that has an interest in this incident.

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Posted: 7/11/2014 8:52 PM

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People don't get jail time in civil lawsuits.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 12:33 AM

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KansasPosse wrote: People don't get jail time in civil lawsuits.
Correct, but the more the pot is stirred the more stuff comes out, good and bad.. Nothing will change perception, maybe a little revenge on Evans would be sweet to some Poke fans, but it won't happen without bringing all of that crap to light again dragging both sides through the mud.. Probably not fair, but that's what will happen..
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Posted: 7/12/2014 4:58 AM

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KansasPosse wrote: People don't get jail time in civil lawsuits.
Unless they lie in a deposition or on the witness stand. Perjury should never be considered less serious when made in a civil proceeding

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Posted: 7/12/2014 9:28 AM

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RovertoSolo wrote:
KansasPosse wrote: People don't get jail time in civil lawsuits.
Unless they lie in a deposition or on the witness stand. Perjury should never be considered less serious when made in a civil proceeding
Perjury is a criminal charge, not a civil lawsuit.  Who said anything about perjury being considered less serious in a civil proceeding?  The point remains that this civil litigation will not be for Evans to get jail time for anything - it's about money.  It is really not that tough.

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Posted: 7/12/2014 11:04 AM

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hoggjaws wrote:
KansasPosse wrote: People don't get jail time in civil lawsuits.
Correct, but the more the pot is stirred the more stuff comes out, good and bad.. Nothing will change perception, maybe a little revenge on Evans would be sweet to some Poke fans, but it won't happen without bringing all of that crap to light again dragging both sides through the mud.. Probably not fair, but that's what will happen..
Honestly, I think the only people that really care about what happens here is OSU fans, SI, TE and some swooner fans that want to hear bad news about OSU.

Still, it would be great to beat SI and that hack writer, TE.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 1:07 PM

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hoggjaws wrote:
KansasPosse wrote: People don't get jail time in civil lawsuits.
Correct, but the more the pot is stirred the more stuff comes out, good and bad.. Nothing will change perception, maybe a little revenge on Evans would be sweet to some Poke fans, but it won't happen without bringing all of that crap to light again dragging both sides through the mud.. Probably not fair, but that's what will happen..
I disagree...about 90% of the "crap" was 100%false....MAYBE, at most, 10% truth and most of that was blown way out of proportion.  SI knows it and that's why they re-wrote the last two pieces to avoid additional lawsuits.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 1:13 PM

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OStateMan wrote:
hoggjaws wrote:
KansasPosse wrote: People don't get jail time in civil lawsuits.
Correct, but the more the pot is stirred the more stuff comes out, good and bad.. Nothing will change perception, maybe a little revenge on Evans would be sweet to some Poke fans, but it won't happen without bringing all of that crap to light again dragging both sides through the mud.. Probably not fair, but that's what will happen..
Honestly, I think the only people that really care about what happens here is OSU fans, SI, TE and some swooner fans that want to hear bad news about OSU.

Still, it would be great to beat SI and that hack writer, TE.
We need to hook up with Baylor and UCLA on this and sue the heck out of SI for Evan's hit pieces that are almost totally false, loosely based on partial facts.  Get others to join in and end these baseless hit pieces that are designed to bring down your competition.  That's the reason for this...not just to clear OSU and the people he / SI wronged.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 2:12 PM

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I'd be happy if in the end, SI wrote a Retraction and apology to about 30 folks in particular, a few million in general, followed by an Expose on Thayer Evans....and then built us a new Baseball park. biggrin

Oh, and funded the John Talley Foundation for about $5M.

That's just for starters.

erack wrote:
We need to hook up with Baylor and UCLA on this and sue the heck out of SI for Evan's hit pieces that are almost totally false, loosely based on partial facts.  Get others to join in and end these baseless hit pieces that are designed to bring down your competition.  That's the reason for this...not just to clear OSU and the people he / SI wronged.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 2:56 PM

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Evans is nothing more than a local gutter crawler that SI used as a private investigator. He's done, toast, outta here... Dorhmann is a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter that on air claimed to write "every word" of the expose'. SI Exec Editor Schector is also on record stating the he oversaw ever aspect of the expose', including the fact checking.

For what it's worth, Holder and company played this perfectly. No attacks, no defensiveness, respectfully noted the concerns, investigated on their own. Hat's off to OSU's AD team. GREAT JOB!

It's highly likely this piece of SI journalism costs them $10M's if not $100M's to settle. Good news is Dorhmann, Evans of course, and the rest of the team involved in this will be without jobs and careers.

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Posted: 7/12/2014 4:10 PM

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KansasPosse wrote:
RovertoSolo wrote:
KansasPosse wrote: People don't get jail time in civil lawsuits.
Unless they lie in a deposition or on the witness stand. Perjury should never be considered less serious when made in a civil proceeding
Perjury is a criminal charge, not a civil lawsuit.  Who said anything about perjury being considered less serious in a civil proceeding?  The point remains that this civil litigation will not be for Evans to get jail time for anything - it's about money.  It is really not that tough.
Yes, perjury is a criminal charge, but one can commit perjury in a civil trial and get jail time.

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Posted: 7/12/2014 5:26 PM

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erack wrote:
hoggjaws wrote:
KansasPosse wrote: People don't get jail time in civil lawsuits.
Correct, but the more the pot is stirred the more stuff comes out, good and bad.. Nothing will change perception, maybe a little revenge on Evans would be sweet to some Poke fans, but it won't happen without bringing all of that crap to light again dragging both sides through the mud.. Probably not fair, but that's what will happen..
I disagree...about 90% of the "crap" was 100%false....MAYBE, at most, 10% truth and most of that was blown way out of proportion.  SI knows it and that's why they re-wrote the last two pieces to avoid additional lawsuits.
Sure, maybe if your 10% to 90% is really close to a decent guess, but no one really knows that for sure, do they ?noidea
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Posted: 7/12/2014 5:31 PM

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hoggjaws wrote:
erack wrote:
hoggjaws wrote:
KansasPosse wrote: People don't get jail time in civil lawsuits.
Correct, but the more the pot is stirred the more stuff comes out, good and bad.. Nothing will change perception, maybe a little revenge on Evans would be sweet to some Poke fans, but it won't happen without bringing all of that crap to light again dragging both sides through the mud.. Probably not fair, but that's what will happen..
I disagree...about 90% of the "crap" was 100%false....MAYBE, at most, 10% truth and most of that was blown way out of proportion.  SI knows it and that's why they re-wrote the last two pieces to avoid additional lawsuits.
Sure, maybe if your 10% to 90% is really close to a decent guess, but no one really knows that for sure, do they ?noidea
MY GUESS:
Talley would NOT be pursuing litigation if there was even .1% of provable allegations other than hearsay and fabricated/out of context information.
Problem is....
SI simply CANNOT settle out of court without admitting guilt, even if the settlement is sealed, the court of public opinion would KILL them
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