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Posted: 7/10/2014 7:51 PM

Basketball 


I've looked around the internet to try to find someone's list of the all time NBA starting 5.  I found a couple of lists, but they are very biased toward recent players.  Players before 1980 are pretty much ignored.  What would be your all time NBA starting 5 (point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward, and center)?  Also, name your second string team.  It's summer, and I am bored.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 8:53 PM

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PG-Magic Johnson
SG-Michael Jordan
SF-Larry Bird
PF-Lebron
C-Wilt

Sorry, but I dont think many pre-80's guys trump Magic, Bird, Jordan, and Lebron.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 9:27 PM

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Like all these lists, there are great debates to be had.

Pretty hard to leave Oscar Robertson off any list like this.
u2runfar wrote: PG-Magic Johnson
SG-Michael Jordan
SF-Larry Bird
PF-Lebron
C-Wilt

Sorry, but I dont think many pre-80's guys trump Magic, Bird, Jordan, and Lebron.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 9:46 PM

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jamesgarfield wrote: Like all these lists, there are great debates to be had.

Pretty hard to leave Oscar Robertson off any list like this.
u2runfar wrote: PG-Magic Johnson
SG-Michael Jordan
SF-Larry Bird
PF-Lebron
C-Wilt

Sorry, but I dont think many pre-80's guys trump Magic, Bird, Jordan, and Lebron.
Hard to make any list without Russell on it
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Posted: 7/10/2014 9:48 PM

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I wanted to see what your 2nd team would be, also.  I just wondered how guys like Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robertson, Karl Malone, Pete Maravich, Bill Russell etc. might compare with some of our present players.  Especially if you name a second team.

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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:10 PM

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1st team:
Magic - PG
Jordan - SG
Lebron - SF
Malone - PF
Hakeem - C

2nd team:
Pistol Pete - PG
Oscar - SG
Bird - SF
Baylor - PF
Kareem - C

It would be interesting to see how teams would defend Maravich in today's game.
I hate to disagree with those that would pick Chamberlain and Russell as their center, but I'm not sure that they'd have near as much impact in today's game where they can't just lay back and protect the rim on defense and they're not near the offensive threat as Hakeem or Kareem.  Chamberlain scored a lot, but most of that was due to him being so much bigger than the opposition in his day.  I'd probably take Shaq as my 3rd team Center.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:19 PM

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Baylor was a very good player, but he was only 6'5" tall.  It was a different era, but I just wonder about a 6'5" power forward.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:32 PM

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Orange1974 wrote: Baylor was a very good player, but he was only 6'5" tall.  It was a different era, but I just wonder about a 6'5" power forward.
Great point.  I like a PF that dominates the boards.  Malone and Baylor did that.  Whether Baylor could be as effective today is a great question.  Maybe we should slot Tim Duncan in his place?
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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:47 PM

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At 18 years in the league now & 5 rings, Duncan's got to be in the PF conversation somewhere, no doubt.
CowboyDon wrote:
Orange1974 wrote: Baylor was a very good player, but he was only 6'5" tall.  It was a different era, but I just wonder about a 6'5" power forward.
Great point.  I like a PF that dominates the boards.  Malone and Baylor did that.  Whether Baylor could be as effective today is a great question.  Maybe we should slot Tim Duncan in his place?
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Posted: 7/11/2014 1:57 AM

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The Big O
Jerry West
Larry Bird
Pistol Pete
Kareem Abdul
-Jabbar

Magic
Jordan 
Lebron 
Bill Russell
Wilt the Stilt

Last edited 7/11/2014 2:00 AM by RovertoSolo

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Posted: 7/11/2014 8:39 AM

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Wilt did not dominate only because he was bigger than everyone.  He was a hell of an athlete.  He would have been dominate at any point in time imo.

My starting five.

Magic
Jordan
Oscar
Wilt
Lebron
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Posted: 7/11/2014 9:15 AM

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RovertoSolo wrote: The Big O
Jerry West
Larry Bird
Pistol Pete
Kareem Abdul
-Jabbar

Magic
Jordan 
Lebron 
Bill Russell
Wilt the Stilt
Pete Maravich 1st team?  A guy who only made the All Star team 5 times in 10 NBA years?  A guy who never played on a team that won a playoff series until the final year of his career with the Celtics? His greatest Win Share season was 73 and 74 both with 7.6.  Jordan had 11 seasons with the Bulls with a Win Share over 14, and he had 3 seasons of a Win Share of 20 or above. 

Sorry, not buying into Pistol Pete being a 1st team All Time NBA guy.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 2:11 PM

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thejudgeandjury wrote:
RovertoSolo wrote: The Big O
Jerry West
Larry Bird
Pistol Pete
Kareem Abdul
-Jabbar

Magic
Jordan 
Lebron 
Bill Russell
Wilt the Stilt
Pete Maravich 1st team?  A guy who only made the All Star team 5 times in 10 NBA years?  A guy who never played on a team that won a playoff series until the final year of his career with the Celtics? His greatest Win Share season was 73 and 74 both with 7.6.  Jordan had 11 seasons with the Bulls with a Win Share over 14, and he had 3 seasons of a Win Share of 20 or above. 

Sorry, not buying into Pistol Pete being a 1st team All Time NBA guy.

I'm not a big NBA follower so should not enter this discussion (...my disclaimer allowing you to blow off the following comments I will make), but Maravich played in the pre- three point shot era.  A major amount of his shots coming from beyond today's three point line, his ten year career average of 24 points per game would have been up in the "wow" range (actually, his knee injury-plagued last year the three point shot was in play and he shot 67 percent from beyond the line), his All Star status would likely have been closer to his 10 year run in the league and his teams would likely have had noticeably higher win/loss records.

With the exception of the last half of his last year in the NBA (picked up by Boston off waivers during Larry Bird's rookie season), his ten years were with Atlanta and New Orleans/Utah.  Can anyone name a player of significance he had on his team to lighten the load he had to carry?  There may have been one or two in the 10 years, but not many.

Again, take my comments with a grain of salt, but it is a mistake to discount the career of Pete Maravich and the impact he had on the NBA.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 2:31 PM

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SwimsCampusShop wrote:
thejudgeandjury wrote:
RovertoSolo wrote: The Big O
Jerry West
Larry Bird
Pistol Pete
Kareem Abdul
-Jabbar

Magic
Jordan 
Lebron 
Bill Russell
Wilt the Stilt
Pete Maravich 1st team?  A guy who only made the All Star team 5 times in 10 NBA years?  A guy who never played on a team that won a playoff series until the final year of his career with the Celtics? His greatest Win Share season was 73 and 74 both with 7.6.  Jordan had 11 seasons with the Bulls with a Win Share over 14, and he had 3 seasons of a Win Share of 20 or above. 

Sorry, not buying into Pistol Pete being a 1st team All Time NBA guy.

I'm not a big NBA follower so should not enter this discussion (...my disclaimer allowing you to blow off the following comments I will make), but Maravich played in the pre- three point shot era.  A major amount of his shots coming from beyond today's three point line, his ten year career average of 24 points per game would have been up in the "wow" range (actually, his knee injury-plagued last year the three point shot was in play and he shot 67 percent from beyond the line), his All Star status would likely have been closer to his 10 year run in the league and his teams would likely have had noticeably higher win/loss records.

With the exception of the last half of his last year in the NBA (picked up by Boston off waivers during Larry Bird's rookie season), his ten years were with Atlanta and New Orleans/Utah.  Can anyone name a player of significance he had on his team to lighten the load he had to carry?  There may have been one or two in the 10 years, but not many.

Again, take my comments with a grain of salt, but it is a mistake to discount the career of Pete Maravich and the impact he had on the NBA.
I've seen an article, I'm sure it can be "googled", where someone did the math on Pete's 3 point shooting and what his point total would have been had there been a 3 point line

and, yes-it WAS amazing

For those not old enough to remember, not old enough to have been there, Maravich played in the 1968 All-College Tournament at the fairgrounds, three games= 138 points

this is the article about what his college career would have been, I'm sure his NBA career would have been similarly remarkable

http://www.midwestsportsfans.c...-pete-maravich/

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Posted: 7/11/2014 2:47 PM

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SwimsCampusShop wrote:
thejudgeandjury wrote:
RovertoSolo wrote: The Big O
Jerry West
Larry Bird
Pistol Pete
Kareem Abdul
-Jabbar

Magic
Jordan 
Lebron 
Bill Russell
Wilt the Stilt
Pete Maravich 1st team?  A guy who only made the All Star team 5 times in 10 NBA years?  A guy who never played on a team that won a playoff series until the final year of his career with the Celtics? His greatest Win Share season was 73 and 74 both with 7.6.  Jordan had 11 seasons with the Bulls with a Win Share over 14, and he had 3 seasons of a Win Share of 20 or above. 

Sorry, not buying into Pistol Pete being a 1st team All Time NBA guy.

I'm not a big NBA follower so should not enter this discussion (...my disclaimer allowing you to blow off the following comments I will make), but Maravich played in the pre- three point shot era.  A major amount of his shots coming from beyond today's three point line, his ten year career average of 24 points per game would have been up in the "wow" range (actually, his knee injury-plagued last year the three point shot was in play and he shot 67 percent from beyond the line), his All Star status would likely have been closer to his 10 year run in the league and his teams would likely have had noticeably higher win/loss records.

With the exception of the last half of his last year in the NBA (picked up by Boston off waivers during Larry Bird's rookie season), his ten years were with Atlanta and New Orleans/Utah.  Can anyone name a player of significance he had on his team to lighten the load he had to carry?  There may have been one or two in the 10 years, but not many.

Again, take my comments with a grain of salt, but it is a mistake to discount the career of Pete Maravich and the impact he had on the NBA.
http://www.basketball-referenc.../maravpe01.html

He average over 24 points per game for his NBA career. He owns 11 NBA records.

"Jerry West was the best I ever played with. And Pete is the best I've ever seen." – Elgin Baylor

"You were never quite sure what he was going to do with the ball in the open court. He had a thousand moves to either shoot it or pass it.” -- Jack Ramsay, Hall of Fame Coach

"In the history of college basketball," wrote Sports Illustrated's Curry Kirkpatrick, "there have been other marvelously talented players -- Wilt, Russ, Elgin, Big O, West, the Bird -- but at the top of his game, when he was smoking out another outrageous 50-point night, absolutely nobody, no time, nowhere approached Maravich."

In Pete's college career he averaged 44.2 points per game. Dale Brown took the LSU head coaching job after Pete’s father Press Maravich left and he went back and charted all of Maravich’s shots once the 3-point line was added. He deemed that on average Pete made 13 threes per game. So his vaunted scoring average of 44.2 points per game would have actually been 57.2 points per game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8qUZILi8IM

I saw The Big O play once against the Univ. of Tulsa in Tulsa once.  I saw Pistol play three games in Oklahoma City in three days in the All-College Tournament.

Last edited 7/11/2014 2:57 PM by RovertoSolo

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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:01 PM

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First Team:

Magic
Jordan
Big O
Bird
Kareem

Sixth Man:
West

Second Team:
Cousy
Lebron
Baylor
Russell
Wilt

Sixth Man:
Walton

I know some positions are doubled up but they could adjust
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:14 PM

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RovertoSolo wrote:
SwimsCampusShop wrote:
thejudgeandjury wrote:
RovertoSolo wrote: The Big O
Jerry West
Larry Bird
Pistol Pete
Kareem Abdul
-Jabbar

Magic
Jordan 
Lebron 
Bill Russell
Wilt the Stilt
Pete Maravich 1st team?  A guy who only made the All Star team 5 times in 10 NBA years?  A guy who never played on a team that won a playoff series until the final year of his career with the Celtics? His greatest Win Share season was 73 and 74 both with 7.6.  Jordan had 11 seasons with the Bulls with a Win Share over 14, and he had 3 seasons of a Win Share of 20 or above. 

Sorry, not buying into Pistol Pete being a 1st team All Time NBA guy.

I'm not a big NBA follower so should not enter this discussion (...my disclaimer allowing you to blow off the following comments I will make), but Maravich played in the pre- three point shot era.  A major amount of his shots coming from beyond today's three point line, his ten year career average of 24 points per game would have been up in the "wow" range (actually, his knee injury-plagued last year the three point shot was in play and he shot 67 percent from beyond the line), his All Star status would likely have been closer to his 10 year run in the league and his teams would likely have had noticeably higher win/loss records.

With the exception of the last half of his last year in the NBA (picked up by Boston off waivers during Larry Bird's rookie season), his ten years were with Atlanta and New Orleans/Utah.  Can anyone name a player of significance he had on his team to lighten the load he had to carry?  There may have been one or two in the 10 years, but not many.

Again, take my comments with a grain of salt, but it is a mistake to discount the career of Pete Maravich and the impact he had on the NBA.
http://www.basketball-referenc.../maravpe01.html

He average over 24 points per game for his NBA career. He owns 11 NBA records.

"Jerry West was the best I ever played with. And Pete is the best I've ever seen." – Elgin Baylor

"You were never quite sure what he was going to do with the ball in the open court. He had a thousand moves to either shoot it or pass it.” -- Jack Ramsay, Hall of Fame Coach

"In the history of college basketball," wrote Sports Illustrated's Curry Kirkpatrick, "there have been other marvelously talented players -- Wilt, Russ, Elgin, Big O, West, the Bird -- but at the top of his game, when he was smoking out another outrageous 50-point night, absolutely nobody, no time, nowhere approached Maravich."

In Pete's college career he averaged 44.2 points per game. Dale Brown took the LSU head coaching job after Pete’s father Press Maravich left and he went back and charted all of Maravich’s shots once the 3-point line was added. He deemed that on average Pete made 13 threes per game. So his vaunted scoring average of 44.2 points per game would have actually been 57.2 points per game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8qUZILi8IM

I saw The Big O play once against the Univ. of Tulsa in Tulsa once.  I saw Pistol play three games in Oklahoma City in three days in the All-College Tournament.
three games/four days
there was a helluva ice storm one day that put the tournament out of whack
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:56 PM

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SwimsCampusShop wrote:
thejudgeandjury wrote:
RovertoSolo wrote: The Big O
Jerry West
Larry Bird
Pistol Pete
Kareem Abdul
-Jabbar

Magic
Jordan 
Lebron 
Bill Russell
Wilt the Stilt
Pete Maravich 1st team?  A guy who only made the All Star team 5 times in 10 NBA years?  A guy who never played on a team that won a playoff series until the final year of his career with the Celtics? His greatest Win Share season was 73 and 74 both with 7.6.  Jordan had 11 seasons with the Bulls with a Win Share over 14, and he had 3 seasons of a Win Share of 20 or above. 

Sorry, not buying into Pistol Pete being a 1st team All Time NBA guy.

I'm not a big NBA follower so should not enter this discussion (...my disclaimer allowing you to blow off the following comments I will make), but Maravich played in the pre- three point shot era.  A major amount of his shots coming from beyond today's three point line, his ten year career average of 24 points per game would have been up in the "wow" range (actually, his knee injury-plagued last year the three point shot was in play and he shot 67 percent from beyond the line), his All Star status would likely have been closer to his 10 year run in the league and his teams would likely have had noticeably higher win/loss records.

With the exception of the last half of his last year in the NBA (picked up by Boston off waivers during Larry Bird's rookie season), his ten years were with Atlanta and New Orleans/Utah.  Can anyone name a player of significance he had on his team to lighten the load he had to carry?  There may have been one or two in the 10 years, but not many.

Again, take my comments with a grain of salt, but it is a mistake to discount the career of Pete Maravich and the impact he had on the NBA.
If you had to start an NBA team, who would you pick first, Michael Jordan or Pete Maravich?
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Posted: 7/11/2014 5:19 PM

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Pete Maravich

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Posted: 7/11/2014 7:01 PM

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olderschool wrote: Pete Maravich
Pete Maravich would be a bad pick for one reason: injuries.

He only played over 70 games in 5 of his 10 seasons in the NBA.  He never played in all 82 games in a single season.

Jordan played over 78 games in 12 of his 15 seasons, one the seasons he didn't play over 78 was his 'I'm back' season.  He played all 82 games 9 times in his career.  Outside of his 2nd year when he got hurt, he was there night in night out.  Maravich could never do that.  His last 5 years in the NBA, he only played over 62 games one time.  In 5 seasons with the Jazz in New Orleans, he played in 313 games, missed 97.  So he missed 23% of the games, and he was only 27 to 31 years old then.  Jordan was playing 82 games a season at age 32, 33 and 34, 3 straight years, 3 straight titles.

Maravich was a great player, but very injury prone and unreliable to step on the court night after night.

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