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Posted: 08/13/2014 7:08 AM

Ferguson, MO 


This does not excuse the spark that set off the rioting and looting; nor does it excuse the rioting and looting but this column asks a good question which never seems to be answered.  Where was the outrage when............?

http://www.stltoday.com/news/l...2184d07a8a.html
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Posted: 08/13/2014 7:30 AM

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It's a great excuse to get out there with your homies and rip off some HDTV's and threads.

I think that the Panther's concept of community policing would solve a bunch of problems.
"This be Jack London Square. Who the f*** Jack London?"

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Posted: 08/13/2014 8:28 AM

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Knoxville, Tennessee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...istopher_Newsom


where was all the rioting and looting?


http://blackracismandracehatre...tacked-and.html

No worries,  Eric Holder has your back.


It's everywhere - http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/are...begin-checking/

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Posted: 08/13/2014 9:43 AM

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In linking that article with my comments was about the huge amount of black on black crime and how there is little done about it within the black community and certainly no calls for riots and social upheaval.
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Posted: 08/13/2014 10:13 AM

And This Is My Point Lyrically Made 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1dPKfxRhk0&li st=RDe1dPKfxRhk0#t=233

Youtube Sublime April 29, 1992

our state of grace is gone.

Last edited 08/13/2014 10:13 AM by roscoemaynard

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Posted: 08/13/2014 10:28 AM

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The beating of Rodney King was wrong and terrible as were the riots that followed.  That still misses the point of the article I linked.
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Posted: 08/13/2014 10:38 AM

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BearDadCardFan wrote: The beating of Rodney King was wrong and terrible as were the riots that followed.  That still misses the point of the article I linked.
Black on Black doesn't line the pockets of the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Antonio French.
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Posted: 08/13/2014 12:29 PM

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I wish I could link better.  I'll learn one of these days, but if you didn't listen to the song then you missed my point.

our state of grace is gone.

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Posted: 08/13/2014 12:33 PM

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I did listen because I was not familiar with that song.
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Posted: 08/13/2014 1:41 PM

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The fact of the matter is that nothing unites us like an "other."  

It's easy to get a racial group spun up as a group if you have a powerful (or perceived powerful) other to go after.

It's a lot harder to spin up outrage when the outrage is against individuals who are like "us."  

For the black "community" (a term that I wish would go away) to confront its murder problem requires the black "community" to admit that some members of the "community" are bad people, just like the cops and the "white community" often says.  

For all the political correctness out there about the causes of violence, mass murder, etc., the most direct avenue to become a murderer is to be a gang affiliated young black male.  The most direct avenue to preventing murder is to intervene in gangs with young black males.  Saying such a thing feels wrong because it feels racist, and will be attacked as such by people who make money and garner prestige from finding white racism where it does or does not exist.  Still, the statistics are easy.
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Posted: 08/13/2014 2:41 PM

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are you trying to join two issues that are not the same?  one issue is a policeman killing an unarmed man.  the second issue is a killing too but doesn't involve the police.  the former is news; the latter more mundane (and I think a reflection of society that has lost its way)
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Posted: 08/13/2014 3:11 PM

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I was simply inviting all to read a fine article with, what I thought was, a good point.
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Posted: 08/13/2014 6:56 PM

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Other is a lame term when 70% of the residents are black and all but only 3 of the 53 police officers are black.
The race of the officer involved is being kept secret, but I would guess some people in the town know.

To dismiss the protests before the facts are known is unrealistic. The protests are an integral part of getting a fair and timely investigation.

Adding more blacks to the police force would be logical.
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Posted: 08/13/2014 8:00 PM

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palcal wrote: 
...To dismiss the protests before the facts are known is unrealistic. The protests are an integral part of getting a fair and timely investigation...

You are actually serious? 

An integral part of the protests were theft, violence, and civil disobedience.

And this is OK with you? Good grief...

And how can you protest correctly if you DO NOT know the facts? It makes no sense.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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Posted: 08/13/2014 8:33 PM

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I think the difference is tha tthere is usually a prosecution for an ordinary killing, whereas these sorts of cases are often no-billed. A no-bill makes some sense if the situation is ambiguous, even if there is an overreaction - these are split second decisions.

But this hardly applies to a fleeing unarmed kid. Believe it or not, there's quite a bit of law on the right to use lethal force in the apprehension of a felon, none of it too good for the police officer. There's some doubt whether the action would be justified even in hot pursuit of a non-violent felon.

So I would think there should be a prosecution, likely voluntary manslaughter or even second degree, depending on the background of the officer. Which would likely quiet the community. Shades of Travon Martin.

My mother used to tell me, "Elwood, in this world, you must be oh, so smart or oh, so nice."  For years I was smart.  I recommend nice.  You may quote me. - Elwood P. Dowd

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Posted: 08/13/2014 8:55 PM

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I agree with you GR but as the thread drifts away...........  I was more interested in the point of the article.  cool
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Posted: 08/13/2014 11:25 PM

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Well, that, too, but I think the author missed the basic distinction that most homicides are recognized as crimes by society at large, whereas these usually are not. That's the reason for the emphasis.

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Posted: 08/13/2014 11:25 PM

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PersonalLegend wrote: 
For all the political correctness out there about the causes of violence, mass murder, etc., the most direct avenue to become a murderer is to be a gang affiliated young black male.  

Another way of putting it would be that it's to be affiliated with a violent gang, and young black males constitute a disproportionate percentage of the membership of those gangs.

The most direct avenue to preventing murder is to intervene in gangs with young black males.  Saying such a thing feels wrong because it feels racist, and will be attacked as such by people who make money and garner prestige from finding white racism where it does or does not exist.  Still, the statistics are easy.

Yep; no doubt some race-baiters might take that approach.  In my experience, though, the vast majority of people would only have a problem to the extent that there's an implication that past and/or present racism or disparate experiences and treatment of people of different races hasn't given rise to these sorts of significant statistical differences . . . as if there's something inherent in different racial groups that has given rise to these differences among them in crime stats.  Which actually is racist.

 

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Posted: 08/14/2014 4:30 AM

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CJ90 wrote:
PersonalLegend wrote: 
For all the political correctness out there about the causes of violence, mass murder, etc., the most direct avenue to become a murderer is to be a gang affiliated young black male.  

Another way of putting it would be that it's to be affiliated with a violent gang, and young black males constitute a disproportionate percentage of the membership of those gangs.

The most direct avenue to preventing murder is to intervene in gangs with young black males.  Saying such a thing feels wrong because it feels racist, and will be attacked as such by people who make money and garner prestige from finding white racism where it does or does not exist.  Still, the statistics are easy.

Yep; no doubt some race-baiters might take that approach.  In my experience, though, the vast majority of people would only have a problem to the extent that there's an implication that past and/or present racism or disparate experiences and treatment of people of different races hasn't given rise to these sorts of significant statistical differences . . . as if there's something inherent in different racial groups that has given rise to these differences among them in crime stats.  Which actually is racist.
 Thanks for addressing my comments reasonably.  

Your second comment, about how a nod to past experiences vs. inherent differences define whether someone is a racist is pretty interesting to me.  I'm not sure I agree that it's the case anymore.  

Perhaps it used to be that a pure racist was the guy screaming about eugenics and how the inherent differences were the key.  

I think now, even if I, a white male, were to point to the statistics and say that we have a statistically significant problem among young black males; I'd be labeled a racist by many people (white and black), AND many thoughtful, solution oriented people would be terrified to discuss it with me for fear of being labeled racists themselves.  

It's a catch 22 now.  We go out of our way to say that violence is a "societal" problem, when any sane analyst would not say that.  The pareto analysis says very clearly to get ahead of gangs, particularly gangs of black youths, and to practically stop policing white people in Wyoming.  

Say that in a public place and see where it gets you.
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Posted: 08/14/2014 4:42 AM

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Genuine Realist wrote: Well, that, too, but I think the author missed the basic distinction that most homicides are recognized as crimes by society at large, whereas these usually are not. That's the reason for the emphasis.
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