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Many of Us Would Agree Strongly With Dick Cheney

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Posted: 06/17/2014 4:54 PM

Many of Us Would Agree Strongly With Dick Cheney 


 

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Posted: 06/17/2014 5:48 PM

Re: Many of Us Would Not Agree Strongly With Dick Cheney 




Not to be a contrarian but Dick Cheny is a profiteer from the ME mess, what with his
Haliburton connections & securities and no bid military contracts.  Formerly, I gave Michael
Scheruer's  critiques that they hate us because "we are over there" great credence.  Now, I am not even angry about Bush/Cheney stirring up the hornet's nest.   In the context of
learning more about what Islam aims to bring about in this world, and its historical and constant agenda for violent subjugation, the clash between civilizations appears to have been inevitable.   

So thank goodness Islam eschews science.  But the question remains whether or not Western Civilization will timely recognize the totality of the peril and choose self-preservation in a big way.

On the other hand, the domestic police state and excesses of our banking and finance cartels in bankrupting our country and turning our fellow countrymen and women into state dependents through, inter alia, the wholesale export of our manufacturing capacity surely jeopardizes the domestic tranquility.  I really don't know who is the greater threat,  the enemy within or the enemy without.  Surely the bankers realize that the Chicoms actually execute (kill) bank executives who engage in acts to defraud others.  What Putin did to the likes of Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky, Abramovich and Berezovsky would, presumably, also give them great pause.  What is the gosh darn attraction? 

So, it seems ironic that the dastardly and genuine threat posed by Islam may also become the rallying point to ultimately, and successfully, preserve civilization in the West.
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Posted: 06/17/2014 5:54 PM

Re: Many of Us Would Agree Strongly With Dick Cheney 


Many have told me I look like Dick Cheney.

Which is unfortunate.  Because he is an indicted war criminal, who can no longer travel abroad.  And I really don't want to get picked up when I go out of the country later this summer.

Of course, I didn't get picked up the three times I went to Europe last year.  So mine is a baseless fear.  Sort of like Cheney's accusations.
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Posted: 06/17/2014 6:11 PM

Re: Many of Us Would Agree Strongly With Dick Cheney 


Really? Baseless accusations?

An aricle of faith?

My mother used to tell me, "Elwood, in this world, you must be oh, so smart or oh, so nice."  For years I was smart.  I recommend nice.  You may quote me. - Elwood P. Dowd

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Posted: 06/17/2014 6:22 PM

Re: Many of Us Would Agree Strongly With Dick Cheney 


By the Netherlands? By Malaysia? Please.

ISIS, on another note, is new to me. Sadly it's apparently new to this administration as well. We needed a "Marshall Plan" for Iraq and got nothing from either this admin or the prior one. At least with the prior we didn't leave before the country was secure.

On a final note, I've been told I look like Michael Douglas and Kermit the Frog (Kermit twice, a decade and 3000 miles apart).  That doesn't make me a famous actor so have no fear.
mendicant98 wrote: Many have told me I look like Dick Cheney.

Which is unfortunate.  Because he is an indicted war criminal, who can no longer travel abroad.  And I really don't want to get picked up when I go out of the country later this summer.

Of course, I didn't get picked up the three times I went to Europe last year.  So mine is a baseless fear.  Sort of like Cheney's accusations.
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Posted: 06/17/2014 8:32 PM

starting with Colin Powell many would disagree with Dick Cheney 


think Pottery Barn R17
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Posted: 06/17/2014 9:51 PM

Here is the money shot 


"'Any world order," [Obama] said, "that elevates one nation above others cannot long survive." Tragically, he is quickly proving the opposite—through one dangerous policy after another—that without American pre-eminence, there can be no world order."

Read this is conjunction with the Kagan piece I posted.

Obama is the one on the wrong side of this.  Not Cheney. 

As a nation we lacked the will to continue with a real presence in Iraq. And Obama is not a leader when it comes to foreign policy.  He is a follower.   I believe we will pay dearly for that at some point.  I hope and pray that I am wrong.

"I pledge - on the souls of my grandchildren - that I will not be the one to break the peace that we have made today."

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Posted: 06/17/2014 9:52 PM

Re: starting with Colin Powell many would disagree with Dick 



slide wrote: think Pottery Barn R17

If Powell felt so strongly, he should have resigned prior to the UN address.  I have enormous respect for Powell.  But I get a little tired of his seeking shelter on this.

"I pledge - on the souls of my grandchildren - that I will not be the one to break the peace that we have made today."

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Posted: 06/17/2014 11:22 PM

Re: starting with Colin Powell many would disagree with Dick 


Powell knows the arc of his career ended after his 'argument' before the UN.  Would that he had been our first African-American President.  But that presentation meant for him the end of shelter, and the lack of shelter ended his political career.

But while being critical of Powell for attempting to find shelter/rehabilitate the hit to his legacy made by Iraq, do not either let Cheney off the hook.  Cheney will spend the rest of his life, as long as his internal Timex keeps on ticking, rehabilitating his own hole-y legacy.

But this is all old ground for CEB.  We all know where we stand.

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Posted: 06/18/2014 12:05 AM

Re: starting with Colin Powell many would disagree with Dick 


I still have hope you can be lured out of the box. The sacred cows can't be mooing loud enough to drown completely the voice of reason.

My mother used to tell me, "Elwood, in this world, you must be oh, so smart or oh, so nice."  For years I was smart.  I recommend nice.  You may quote me. - Elwood P. Dowd

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Posted: 06/18/2014 2:24 AM

Re: Many of Us Would Agree Strongly With Dick Cheney 


The current veep Biden was right- should have partitioned Iraq. Can't believe they aren't laying the groundwork as the long term reaction. Plus I don't care how many solar panels Germany has they still need mideast oil.
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Posted: 06/18/2014 4:56 AM

Chasing GR`s Avatar Around the Corner is Making Me Dizzy 


and frustrated after so many years............................................. ..

 

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Posted: 06/18/2014 4:59 AM

Re: Here is the money shot 


I missed the Kagan piece you posted.  

did you see this one?

https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/duplicity-ideol ogues

about the author:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bacevich

does your brother know him?
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Posted: 06/18/2014 7:49 AM

Cheney May Be Right 


but the history of our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not really leading me to listen to him anymore. Obama is a disaster too.  But when Dick speaks his credibility on this issue is lost to me.  he is nothing now but a dithering old hawk that needs to be put in his rocking chair with a scotch and a cigar and bib and his hoveraround parked nearby.

our state of grace is gone.

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Posted: 06/18/2014 8:17 AM

Think about that Cheney image 


It's like something the Jack*** movie crew would make.   Old coot on a chair scooter veering around the parking lot swilling scotch, swearing and occasionally using the cardiac paddles on himself after he runs into a car.

"Those are my principles and if you don't like them...well, I have others"   Groucho Marx

Last edited 06/18/2014 8:19 AM by TLV01

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Posted: 06/18/2014 9:24 AM

Re: Think about that Cheney image 


I think you are a bit harsh in your critique.  More of a round peg in the round hole and square peg in the square hole kind of thing.

If you were heading into a fight, who would you want as SecDef; Cheney or Hagel?  Which Rice would you select as National Security Advisor; Susan or Condoleeza?  Cheney may, in your opinion, not fit the circumstances, but I bet it would't take you too much time if you were asked to outline a scenario where you might seek out his perspective.  And middle east policy might surely be one.  He's seen good & bad over an extended period, he understands the rationale for past policy, he understands military capability, and he knows arab leadership across the region.  At the end of the day you may not agree with him, but what does that prove in a world where you never have enough information to guarantee an outcome?

That's the problem with all you lefties, biggrin, if you don't appreciate someone's opinions you feel a need to denigrate them personally.  Great for an open dialog, no?

"It's like something the Jack*** movie crew would make.   Old coot on a chair scooter veering around the parking lot swilling scotch, swearing and occasionally using the cardiac paddles on himself after he runs into a car."
Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever plus a minute more;
May fortune sing you her sweet song; to live and love way past long
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Posted: 06/18/2014 9:37 AM

Ummm..... Lefties? 



rjnwmill wrote:

That's the problem with all you lefties, biggrin, if you don't appreciate someone's opinions you feel a need to denigrate them personally.  Great for an open dialog, no?


Bob......

May I introduce you to JohnnyO?    Not exactly a lefty and the person most responsible for the need to denigrate anyone on this website personally........

Because that's just how he rolls.....   rolleyes
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Posted: 06/18/2014 10:20 AM

Jeez, where was your open-minded defense... 


Assuming you were making an argument out of principle:  that we should look beyond caricature to people's actual words/deeds, employing some restraint worthy of thoughtful people. Hmmmm , you seemed kinda' silent when Killary, Obama, Reid and others regularly get nailed up.  [rare emoticon biggrin, take it as a mark of respect from one bonsai lover to another]

The gloss on Cheney was simply elaborating on roscoe's original observation.  Somehow  Dick, the nation and this marvelous tiny planet in the cosmos will survive.

"Those are my principles and if you don't like them...well, I have others"   Groucho Marx
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Posted: 06/18/2014 10:58 AM

Re: Jeez, where was your open-minded defense... 


it is always a tough dilemma going into a fight or war:  choose a decorated combat veteran (2 Purple Hearts to boot) or a serial deferral type guy?

oh, sorry, TLV, I got sidetracked.  you wanted to stick to actual deeds and such.
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Posted: 06/18/2014 12:26 PM

Re: Jeez, where was your open-minded defense... 



slide wrote: it is always a tough dilemma going into a fight or war:  choose a decorated combat veteran (2 Purple Hearts to boot) or a serial deferral type guy?

oh, sorry, TLV, I got sidetracked.  you wanted to stick to actual deeds and such.
I won't denegrate Hagel's service, but I will note he served in the Army for two years as a sergeant leading a squad.  Perhaps a little different operational scale than a 50 nation effort like Desert Storm, maybe not though slide?  After his two years of service he did a stint as a 'Rush Limbaugh' part time, congressional staffer, a lobbyist, and then the VA.

He made his money starting a cellular company.  Employment peaked at 2,000.  He sold to AT&T.  He has had varied business interests since.

Does this strike you as a bit of a 'Washington' resume when it comes to defense policy expertise?  He has the 30 second sound bite that appears in your post, but is there anything behind it?  He has the Omar Bradley citizen soldier perspective absent the in depth, nuts and bolts large scale leadership experience or the defense policy background.  Seems like a perfect fit within this administration that specializes in thin resumes.  

This is an edit clearly; if may not be fair to Hagel, some might call it a hit piece, no doubt, but the appearance before congress was scheduled and was 'prepared for'?  Does it inspire confidence?

Slide, you in a 100 word post demonstrated one of the real problems in our political process; it is increasingly focused on the low information voter, the one that assumes the headlines are all that matter.  Thanks.
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