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Guys like this want to # 1 - Confiscate all guns in the US# 2 - Execute people who disagree with themThe guns and ammo crowd is strictly live and let live; the anti gun crowd is interventionist.
Last edited 12/19/2012 9:06 AM by navy9t1
Posted: 12/19/2012 9:16 AM
navy9t1 wrote:Guys like this want to # 1 - Confiscate all guns in the US# 2 - Execute people who disagree with themThe guns and ammo crowd is strictly live and let live; the anti gun crowd is interventionist.
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Me and mine don't want to change anyone else's opinion. We just want to be left alone to exercise our constitutional right to keep and bear arms.That's why we stockpile guns and ammo.
Posted: 12/19/2012 9:55 AM
RMOTKING wrote: And the website that posted the comments had an interesting one of it's own....Basically saying "it's just like Liberals to want to hurt someone who hasn't hurt them" You think most every American isn't hurt? You think most every American isn't somehow suffering? You think most every American doesn't feel that the country they live in isn't somehow diminished, at least a little?People don't want to get over this and go back to their same lives with a business as usual mentality. They want change. They want to feel that tiny innocent defenseless children should be able to go to school and not get slaughtered.Anyway.... this post feels long enough... I've tried to stay out of all these conversations because emotions are running way Way too hot. I'm not smart and skilled enough to change hearts and minds.Michael Forrest
Posted: 12/19/2012 9:58 AM
navy9t1 wrote:Me and mine don't want to change anyone else's opinion. We just want to be left alone to exercise our constitutional right to keep and bear arms.That's why we stockpile guns and ammo.
Posted: 12/19/2012 10:03 AM
Last edited 12/19/2012 10:21 AM by mendicant98
Posted: 12/19/2012 10:51 AM
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mendicant98 wrote: but stockpilers are. as are the people to whom you (navy9t1) have alluded, who live in the Mountain West, have their own gun and ammunition manufactories, and live in a deliberately dispersed but nonetheless coordinated manner (via comms), for purposes of mutual support and protection. you call them 'law-abiding citizens', who practice 'live and let live'. I say they are wack jobs, lawless (insofar as they wish for an absence of laws, with the vacuum filled by their own version of 'common' sense), and (because they live apart, not among) fall short of the requirements of true citizenship in the classical sense.they live in fear of the government. and in response stockpile weapons in number and power far greater than needed to a) hunt, b) target-shoot, c) protect themselves and their property, d) collect for investment/entertainment purposes. that is wack.I'm not 'up' on the formal legalities of private gun and ammunition manufacture; I do not know what regulations apply, what licenses must be held. from your self-report, it appears 'you and yours' don't put much stock in securing such licenses. but I could be wrong. but if private, unlicensed manufacture of guns and ammunition is, at present, legal, it's still nuts, driven by unreasonable anxiety.here is a truth: people such as 'you and yours' will never reconcile with people like my director friend Paul in Hollywood, father of a six-year-old, friend to a pastor in Newtown, CT, and pretty much over the top right now in terms of his emotion. 'righteousness' and 'crusade' begin to describe his feelings. both sides are right, insofar as they have the right to those thoughts and behaviors. but, both sides are wrong, in terms of how an open and free society must reconcile, pragmatically, the 1st and 2nd Amendments, while reducing gun violence.my opinions/predictions are these: the Federal govt will re-institute bans on assault weapons and clips with more than N rounds, N being between 5 and 10 (cf. the President's statement this morning); certain states (think, blue) will enact more restrictions, and attempt to do so within the context of the USSC's clear instructions in DC v Heller; these states will not enact open-carry or concealed-carry laws, and will definitely not put armed guards on every school campus; certain other states (think, red) will remove restrictions; these states will enact open-carry and concealed-carry laws, and will definitely put armed guards on every school campus, and allow teachers to carry; finally, the NRA will continue to seek expanded gun rights, beyond the precepts of DC v Heller.I also think the NRA will offer to provide armed guards for all schools around the country. an offer which will be embraced in some communities, and derided in others.more than race, more than gender, this issue will divide the country. over the next decades, IMO we will see self-movement, self-segregation, with this issue being a prime motive force. I do not see any true reconciliation. some people will always fear the government's intrusion on their 2A rights. and other people will always fear guns in every way, shape, and form.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 1:10 PM
RMOTKING wrote: But, from a non-gun person (me) it seems that if you already have X number of guns, and you feel the winds of change that are calling for gun reform, and you run out and buy MORE guns... I wonder why? How are you more safe? What do you need more guns for?
Posted: 12/19/2012 2:14 PM
Posted: 12/19/2012 2:17 PM
GrayhairedCard wrote: How do you differentiate how you and yours deal with guns and ammo versus those who have committed murder and crimes using guns? I understand your live and let live, but I fail to see how society can make choices which protect innocent lives, particularly those of our children.
Posted: 12/19/2012 2:25 PM
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