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The only solution, contract or not.

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Posted: 02/25/2012 8:43 PM

The only solution, contract or not. 


As The Prof points out in short nobody plays with passion. They could all get pointers watching Dr. Davis's teams dive for balls. 

Dawkins inspires nobody.
"Honkhonkhonkhonkhonk."

Harpo Marx
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Posted: 02/25/2012 8:48 PM

ouch 


"Dawkins inspires nobody."

sadly... I'm beginning to agree...

if they stumble next year like this year, then I'll get really mad...

right now I'm blaming it (the maddening inconsistency) mostly on immaturity/youth of this team

next year it'll be all on the coaching staff
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Posted: 02/27/2012 8:37 AM

Re: The only solution, contract or not. 


It's time to make a move.  I'm unwilling to put this solely on the shoulders of youthful inconsistency.   And with even marginally effective coaching, the youthful inconsistency should have improved during the season.  That it did not, and in fact got WORSE as the season progressed, is (IMHO) squarely on the coaching staff's shoulders. 

JD is a good human being and an effective assistant coach.  But I don't think he's head coaching material.  At least not now; at least not here.

Time to cut our losses and regroup.
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Posted: 02/27/2012 9:57 AM

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Last time a coach left we released those who signed LOI's.  Do we do that again and start all over with no incoming class?   Something to consider.
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Posted: 02/27/2012 10:41 AM

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Bobbk wrote: Last time a coach left we released those who signed LOI's.  Do we do that again and start all over with no incoming class?   Something to consider.
Something VERY important to consider, too.

Dawkins is struggling, no doubt, but at times the team looks solidly coached. Lots of his problems are in the fact that he uses so many players and so many different lineups take the floor.

The one thing that's hard to argue is Stanford's depth. The team really has a lot of good players, probably as solid in that regard as ever. The incoming freshman will only add to that and Chasson Randle still has 3 years to go. He could be really outstanding and have a lot of talented teammates alongside him.
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Posted: 02/27/2012 11:44 AM

Re: The only solution, contract or not. 



alicein wrote:
Bobbk wrote: Last time a coach left we released those who signed LOI's.  Do we do that again and start all over with no incoming class?   Something to consider.
Something VERY important to consider, too.

Dawkins is struggling, no doubt, but at times the team looks solidly coached. Lots of his problems are in the fact that he uses so many players and so many different lineups take the floor.

The one thing that's hard to argue is Stanford's depth. The team really has a lot of good players, probably as solid in that regard as ever. The incoming freshman will only add to that and Chasson Randle still has 3 years to go. He could be really outstanding and have a lot of talented teammates alongside him.
Yes, this an important consideration.  But I've not seen much of an indication that JD can develop the talent he apparently can attract.  How long do you think that talent will continue to show up with the results he's getting on the court?

Yes, I agree, lots of problems stem from his bizarre substitution patterns.  But that's HIS decision.  If it's not working, that's on HIM.  To me, it looks more like the team is succeeding at times DESPITE the coaching, not because of it.  That talent is going to show up at times.  It's JD's job to get it to show up consistently and to improve it.  I've not seen his teams succeed on either point.

So, yes, we need to consider recruiting.  But I'd argue we need to weigh avoiding a potential short-term loss in the current incoming class by retaining JD against the potential long-term effects of poor to middling results.  A year or two more of this and there will be less and less fan support and fewer and fewer recruits will want to come to the Farm to play.
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Posted: 02/27/2012 6:59 PM

Depth? As solid as ever? 



alicein wrote:
Bobbk wrote: Last time a coach left we released those who signed LOI's.  Do we do that again and start all over with no incoming class?   Something to consider.
Something VERY important to consider, too.

Dawkins is struggling, no doubt, but at times the team looks solidly coached. Lots of his problems are in the fact that he uses so many players and so many different lineups take the floor.

The one thing that's hard to argue is Stanford's depth. The team really has a lot of good players, probably as solid in that regard as ever. The incoming freshman will only add to that and Chasson Randle still has 3 years to go. He could be really outstanding and have a lot of talented teammates alongside him.
Are you kidding?

I guess Mad Dog, Mendez, Moseley, Jarron, Arthur, Sauer, Young, Seaton, Weems and  Van Elswick in 1998 wasn't so hot. Add an injured Jason C.
"Honkhonkhonkhonkhonk."

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Posted: 02/27/2012 8:16 PM

I don't think Stanford has much depth at all, and in no 


way is our depth "as solid in that regard as ever."

First of all, to say that Stanford has "depth" means MORE than that a lot of non-starters play; it means that the guys who come off the bench really add something positive to the mix and move us toward a win. 

If the starters are Bright, Randall, Owens, Brown, and Zim -- it changes frequently -- then from where i sit the only guys who come in who SOMETIMES add SOMETHING are Huestis, Gage, and (occasionally) Powell. Forget Mann, Nastic, Andy Brown, and the rest of the guys. When Powell starts Zim comes in and rarely adds something other than hustle.

Moreover, I don't see our bench guys adding that much. Apart from Owens and Randall, it's almost as if JD picks three of the remaining 7 to start and shuffles thoughout the game, as has been documented. 

Seems to me that back in the days of Kirchoffer, our bench was quite good and really added to our ability to win games. Now, far from clear. In fact, as recently as Saturday, our bench players came in and frittered away our 10 point lead.

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Posted: 02/27/2012 8:21 PM

Re: Depth? As solid as ever? 


Van Elswyck was gone by '98, but don't forget Long Beach Poly's Michael McDonald.  Look at that roster and you can see L.A. footprints all over our best finishing team in 70 years.  We need to get our business straight in the Land of Gay McKay, so to speak.

The 30-2 team was pretty deep, as well:

Hernandez, Lottich, Childress, Davis, Little, backed up by Haas, Robinson, Grunfeld (aka Lemmywinks) Chops Kirchofer, and Haryasz and Fred Washington, I believe.

Just seeing those names takes me back to a Maples you had to camp outside of to get into.  Someday....

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Posted: 02/27/2012 8:36 PM

Re: Depth? As solid as ever? 


Fred Washington entered Stanford in 2003.  Hey I read every word.

Quiz we said no to Lin but yes to Dildy and who??????
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Posted: 03/02/2012 3:48 PM

Re: The only solution, contract or not. 


Agree 100% and emailed Bowlsby to that fact.

The fan base is uninspired and not showing up for games.
The team plays uninspired and chokes down the stretch.
Players are not developing as expected and the team is underperforming.

TIME TO HOLD SOMEONE ACCOUNTABLE!
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Posted: 03/06/2012 10:14 AM

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(not really), but We have a struggling team that has gone 10 & 8, confrence, and 20 & 10 overall. Now all of you, (including me), may not like it but it is a winning season even tho nothing to brag about, but better than last year by inches.  I am the eternal optomist and expect better things next season. As I have said, the team needs a floor leader and Dawk has to let the starters play together longer before substituting. At this point the Pac 12 tournament doesn't mean anything to the present team except more playing time. The season, for all intents and purpose is over.  Finally, be careful for what you are asking it might backfire.
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Posted: 03/06/2012 1:09 PM

Re: I don't like to disagree with my friends 


Having lived through the DiBiaso years, I know BigRed speaks the truth.  We can and should do better next year, but it has been much, much worse.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
---Hunter S. Thompson

 

I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong.

---Samuel Goldwyn

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