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Posted: 02/21/2012 10:01 AM

Guess you might think this bad news 


July 6, 2011

 

STANFORD, Calif.- Stanford's Anne and Tony Joseph Director of Men's Basketball Johnny Dawkins has signed a two-year contract extension that will keep him on The Farm through the 2015-16 campaign, as announced today by Jaquish & Kenninger Director of Athletics Bob Bowlsby.

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Posted: 02/21/2012 10:28 AM

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Bobbk wrote:

July 6, 2011

 

STANFORD, Calif.- Stanford's Anne and Tony Joseph Director of Men's Basketball Johnny Dawkins has signed a two-year contract extension that will keep him on The Farm through the 2015-16 campaign, as announced today by Jaquish & Kenninger Director of Athletics Bob Bowlsby.

Another Ted Leland-like decision by the AD. Horrible mistake with horrible hoops to follow. 

Keep drinking the Kool Aid Bobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb.
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Posted: 02/21/2012 10:57 AM

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I have no objection to extending JD's contract.

because I know Bowlsby will make the right move at the right time, regardless of the length of contract signed.  hard to think of a single coach these days who works through the end of a full contract.  Tom Davis at Iowa is the only one I can think of.  (maybe Dick Davey at Santa Clara...)

regardless, plenty has been written about the shortcomings, so I'll try not to re-hash.  but coming down to the end of this season, I think:

Randle is the real deal.  he has the potential to become the best we've ever had, and even Derrick Rose/Chris Paul good.  he's going to have to work on making better decisions within the framework of the speed of the game, but he has a terrific set of skills and a wonderful mindset, and is a pleasure to watch.

only a couple of others on the roster could have made the best of Montgomery's teams.  Josh would have been a solid, Kirchofer-type off-the-bench player.  he's a junior version of Justin Davis.  maybe Gage would've been kept on for his outside shooting ability on a Monty team, but he's pretty weak for a big guy.  Bright would have been a serviceable backup PG (he's better than Giovacchini, for instance, IMO).  but there is not one other player on the present team who would've been guaranteed a place on a Monty team.  Monty might have taken Powell as a 'project', but would've flogged his butt up and down the practice court.  and I don't see that effort out of Powell (who has Childress potential but is not realizing it).  Huestis might also have been taken on as a project, plus there's the Montana connection that Monty might've found irresistible.  I think Monty probably could have gotten more out of Zimm, but again it's not clear to me Zimm would've made the team in the first place.  everyone else?  forget it.  including Anthony Brown, who is falling well short of the archetypal Montgomery 2 or 3 player at both ends of the court.

what I'm saying is, JD is lauded for his ability to recruit, and I don't even see his performance in that arena as being first-rate.  let alone his ability to coach in-game, as discussed by rj, jupardell, et al.

Bobbk, I know you're fond of JD.  I know you think it's another year or two from greatness for JD and these players.  I hope you're right.  but comparing the present circumstance, and the rate of improvement, to that under Monty, and my perception falls short of my hope.

there is one reason to hope, which centers on the rare times this team has shown it can play 'up'.  the 'Cuse game being one, and the Colorado game another.
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Posted: 02/21/2012 11:24 AM

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Actually fond of JD the person.  Don't dislike him as much as you and some others but surely not in love with the coach side.  Told my son when Monty left we would never be the same and after 8 years of mostly average I am right.  Hate it but that's where we are.  Glad Trent is gone, but thinking we will be # 1 again or a F4 team is unreal.

Very anxious to see a healthy Andrew Brown and esp Anthony Brown next year.   Zim was a stop gap, and Trotter has played a lot for a guy who walked on, and Harris sadly isn't missed much.  Mann should be added to your list of those who wouldn't have made most Monty teams.   Of course they all would have that injury filled 1993 team.    And what do the 4 have in common?  They were needed when Dawkins arrived to a pretty bare cupboard.    3 Graduate or maybe Zim has, and Sanders comes in over Harris, so next year it is truely all Dawkins' team. 

So in my world Dawkins has had to come from behind.  However so did Harbaugh, with both us and the 49ers, so thinbgs can be overcome, other than no waiver wire or free agency for college hoops. 

We were very spoiled and feel entitled for what Monty did to continue, but doubt it will happen.  I hoped for 21-22 wins this year, 11 in league play.  We are on the border.  If you expected 24-25 wins, you live on another planet.  tongue
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Posted: 02/21/2012 11:48 AM

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I really disagree with the talent evaluation.  I don't think our talent is nearly as bad as mendi says it is.

JO is a mini-Justin Davis, I like that analogy.  But JD never needed to be an offensive focal point, and that is what JO is expected to be in order for the current Stanford team to have any inside game at all.  JO is better than Kirchofer ever was.  Joe K is remembered fondly but he was a bench player and energy guy made better by the fact that he was relieving some of the most outstanding inside talent in the nation.  If Zimm was coming in for all-America candidates, I think he'd be spoken of much more fondly.

As RJ has pointed out to me in person though I'm not sure on the board: Dawks offense relies heavily on instinct and reactions.  Monty's set plays make it easy for kids to plug and play.  I think that makes more talented kids seem less so, when what is really happening is that they don't know where they are supposed to be.

The main problem with our personnel in my view is lack of size.  We need space-fillers and our big men, starting with JO, are way too small to do what Stanford fans expect, especially what we saw under Monty and continued with the Lopi.  This was still a problem with Dawks recruiting, though it looks to be slightly improved with his next class.

And Mendi, I love Randle's game, but if he was Chris Paul or Derrick Rose we'd be a tourney team on that alone. That's how poor the guard play in the conference is.

Regarding the coaching:
We hired a first-time head guy.  We also hired a guy who is expected to take over for AmEx at Duke. Not a good combo for our expectations. I won't compare J Dawk to Teevens, mostly because I think Dawk has the potential to correct the flaws in his current coaching skill set. And I do mean "potential": it's no guarantee.  But line-up problems and authority on the sideline are certainly things that can be developed as he gets more comfortable.  However, we've had to endure four years of the problems, and it's no wonder the natives are getting restless.  If Dawk spent those four years at a minor program (non-BCS), it probably would have been better for him and certainly better for us.  As it is, I won't be surprised at all if he leaves us when we get fed up and then goes and has success somewhere else.  It wasn't a good hire and Stanford has taken our lumps for it. It sucks.
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Posted: 02/21/2012 6:41 PM

Size matters 


I watched a bit of UCONN and Syracuse a couple of weeks ago.

Those guys are men, Powell, Gage and Brown have adolescent bodies. Every now and then you can play up and the other gut plays down. That's what happened in the Syracuse game. I think they win 95/98 out of a hundred vs. Stanford. 

Last year at home Bubba Smith and the goon from the Valley stomped Stanford inside for UCLA. Dawkins needs to recruit some meanness and bulk and not X-Rays like Powell.

If the other guy has Porky Parker you need a Charlie O'Connell. Fish, that's a Roller Derby analogy from the Fifties.
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Posted: 02/22/2012 10:11 AM

for the record, I do like JD 


he's a good person, with great integrity and character.  and that counts for a lot.  he's pretty good as a recruiter.  he's pretty good even as a coach.  but pretty good isn't getting it done.  we can do better.  he can do better.  I'm still pulling for him.  but hope is subsiding.
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Posted: 02/23/2012 9:31 AM

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The extension is absolutely meaningless.  Bowlsby can fire Dawkins and pay out the contract anytime he wants.

I'd like to see him succeed and finish that contract and re-sign.  I just don't think he is up to the job.
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Posted: 02/24/2012 11:59 AM

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As I have known it, basketball is a game of PASS and CUT. The successful teams take care of the ball and don't run up the turn overs. But in todays style of race horse basketball the turn overs are bound to be more because the players are anticipating what their teamates are going to do and many times they are wrong. Result, bad pass and the turn over. Most teams have set plays such as the pick and roll, but the ball handler always has to be able to see an advantage, outside of the planned play, and act on it.
In last night's game against Colorado, Stanford played up to their ability and made only one bad pass near the end of the first half. In that case the Stanford ball handler anticipated his teamate to go to the left but he went right and the pass went out of bounds. I still back Dawkins and feel that he will turn this team around. Nobody can fault his teaching of defense and the team has responded to it.
One more thing, forget about Monty, he is not here anymore. Comparing Dawk to Monty is unfair because the Bears coach has had so many many more years of head coaching. Give Dawk a break.  My hi school coach had it right when he told us, "make the other team play your game. If they are runners, slow the tempo down and they wont know how to play that game, advantage our's"  He was right as we won two consecutive championships while I was there.
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