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Posted: 02/16/2013 5:38 AM

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The statements about his being a good recruiter are a bit over the top. He got Powell and Huestis but whiffed on Bright and the jury is out on Anthony. Except for hustle flashes from Allen this year's class has two non-contributers, the big guy who never plays and the shooting guard who can't shoot. Next year he has the twins, one of whom is a "preferred" walk on and a center who will be a project.

He has been a disaster. Work out a Tedford type payout and bring in somebody who is proven and not some legend's clip board holder.
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Posted: 02/16/2013 11:16 AM

Trenchant... 


and justifiable.
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Posted: 02/16/2013 4:09 PM

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Unfortunately there is not a line of proven coach's beating down the door to coach Stanford


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Last edited 02/16/2013 4:27 PM by quinceyh

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Posted: 02/16/2013 4:15 PM

"Unfortunately"?! Do you really mean what you posted 


must I guess the intended translation?
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Posted: 02/16/2013 6:24 PM

Re: "Unfortunately"?! Do you really mean what you 


Disagree. Totally.
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Posted: 02/16/2013 7:17 PM

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Way top flight coach has even been whispered about coming? Which top flit coach's were beating down the door to come after Trent left? This isn't a blue blood. The hard reality is whoever comes is not going to be a top notch coach and is going to have to build his resume at Stanford. Stanford has good tradition but its a stepping stone school
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Posted: 02/16/2013 8:16 PM

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Quincey: Who said that we needed a "top flight coach?" Point me to the post. You won't be able, because it doesn't exist. Was Jim Harbaugh a "top flight coach" when Stanford hired him? Was David Shaw? Was Mike Montgomery? No. No. No. Stanford does not need to a hire a "top flight coach" from a "blue blood" program. It needs to hire a competent coach. You always rag on Stanford, but most people hold it in a little higher esteem than you do. 

The fact is, Dawkins' claim to fame was holding the Rat's clipboard. That was his resume. Give me someone who has been an actual head coach at a mid-major program any day of the week over someone who holds the Rat's jock.

You're mindset is the exact "mediocrity is good enough" mindset that Jim Harbaugh eradicated from the football program. But if that's your mindset, guess what, we'll be mediocre.

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Posted: 02/16/2013 8:18 PM

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What have I said that has been ragging on Stanford? Nothing I said has not been e truth. No different than someone raging on the coach or players. If its the truth then there's no reason to get butt hurt over it, it's really that simple


Ad ment proven not top flight, was watching a game and someone mentioned top flit and it stuck in my head
. And no my mind set is not that way. You don't seem to understand that I have family on the team and there fore I can only say so much. You have no family on the team so you can say whatever you want and dog anyone until the cows come home. I have said something about getting a new coach if we don't make the tournament and recieved a message to "cease and desist". Normally I would laugh at that and really speak my mind but since I have family on the team I can not do that since it can affect him. Trust me there are many many things I would love to say
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Quincey: Who said that we needed a "top flight coach?" Point me to the post. You won't be able, because it doesn't exist. Was Jim Harbaugh a "top flight coach" when Stanford hired him? Was David Shaw? Was Mike Montgomery? No. No. No. Stanford does not need to a hire a "top flight coach" from a "blue blood" program. It needs to hire a competent coach. You always rag on Stanford, but most people hold it in a little higher esteem than you do. 

The fact is, Dawkins' claim to fame was holding the Rat's clipboard. That was his resume. Give me someone who has been an actual head coach at a mid-major program any day of the week over someone who holds the Rat's jock.

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Last edited 02/16/2013 8:23 PM by quinceyh

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Posted: 02/16/2013 8:41 PM

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Quincey: Don't get me wrong. I applaud anyone tangentially associated with the team who is willing to come on here and offer even a modicum of criticism rather than being a rah-rah cheerleader when there is clearly something wrong in Denmark. That takes guts, it takes courage, it takes balls, and I applaud you for that. What I don't agree with is any notion that because Stanford is not Duke, not Kentucky, not North Carolina, it should just sit idly by as its current coach runs the program into the gutter. If you don't aspire to be great, rest assured you won't be.
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Posted: 02/16/2013 9:12 PM

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I've said plenty of times how I felt things should go if they did not make the tournament this year. I actually said that two years ago as well as last year when I said be patient.
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Quincey: Don't get me wrong. I applaud anyone tangentially associated with the team who is willing to come on here and offer even a modicum of criticism rather than being a rah-rah cheerleader when there is clearly something wrong in Denmark. That takes guts, it takes courage, it takes balls, and I applaud you for that. What I don't agree with is any notion that because Stanford is not Duke, not Kentucky, not North Carolina, it should just sit idly by as its current coach runs the program into the gutter. If you don't aspire to be great, rest assured you won't be.

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Posted: 02/16/2013 10:12 PM

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Johnny is not a good anything.  There is no scheme on O or D.  Thursday's game ending fiasco is exhibit A.  As to the recruiting, not seeing it on that front either, but I don't see enough of his recruits to know, as much of the product we see on the floor was ID'd by Trent's folks as Stanford recruits are typically ID'd earlier in HS from the pool of potentials that can make the academic cut line.

As to the statement on potential to get high calibre coaches to come to Stanford, I fail to understand the logic.  Attracting a high calibre coach takes money, plain and simple.  Stanford is not willing to pay top dollar to get those types of coaches.  Johnny makes $1M with various accelerators, while the rat makes $7M+.  David Shaw, who has proven that he can do it in general and at Stanford, reportedly makes $2.5M, so there's your upper limit. Hence, Stanford will need to get an up-and-comer somewhere in the $1-2M range, which clearly puts the pool smaller and makes the choices riskier. While Stanford has addressed one of the biggest challenges for the HC and the assistants alike by providing Arrillaga's housing on campus, but that is not going to produce a top flight package.

The fact that we won't get a currently proven, top flight coach has nothing to do with whether coaches are beating down the door to come here because of the program.  They aren't because they know they can get big money somewhere else that they will never get here.

Regardless, buy Johnny out and let's move on.  Maybe the next coach from USD is available.
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Posted: 02/16/2013 10:22 PM

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I'm having a hard time understanding what the hell Quince is talking about. Monty almost won an NCAA championship. Trent got to the Sweet 16 with Nevada. Dawkins has been to the NIT.

BFD.
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Posted: 02/16/2013 11:53 PM

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I imagine that the othe P12 fans are saying, "I hope Stanford keeps Dawkins".
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Posted: 02/17/2013 8:21 AM

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How long do we have put up with Dawkins and his horrible coaching?  He has to be the worst game-day Coach ever in D1 history.  He couldn't figure out how to beat a poor team like USC and today was completely clueless and overmatched against UCLA.  We were spoiled for all those years with Monty whose game-day prowess was (and still is) legendary.  Dawkins is tyhe complete antithesis of Monty.  The Junior class - the class who would put us back on top - has seen 3 years wasted under Dawkins.  His record speaks for itsels - he is a .500 coach.  He again proves the Singletary Rule - being a great player doesn't make you a great Coach, or even qualified to be a Head Coach.

Mr. Muir, please end the agony.  Fire Dawkins and Hire a real Coach.  He doesn't have to a "big name", just someone who can actually coach D1 players.  Return Stanford Basketball to at least competitiveness.  If the coach is good and the players are "his" in the locker room, then "great" will follow.
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Posted: 02/17/2013 9:58 AM

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What's not to understand. Ok I'll simplify it. What was the list of coach's interested in the Stanford job after Trent left? That will tell you what type of coach wanted to take the job

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I'm having a hard time understanding what the hell Quince is talking about. Monty almost won an NCAA championship. Trent got to the Sweet 16 with Nevada. Dawkins has been to the NIT.

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Posted: 02/17/2013 10:05 AM

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Agree that I have no idea what Quince is talking about -- complete nonsense.

Our coach needs to have a scheme over athletic ability bias.  That was Monty in a nutshell.  He never counted on outstanding athletics to bail out a lack of scheme, but players knew their positions and hence knew how to play as one team.  I personally don't see enough of that in this year's team or those of past years. It is most apparent when we chase our opponents on defense, but you can also see it in our lack of sets on offense too.  

Clearly time of a change, as participation (and any success) in the NIT is not a sufficient bar of achievement.

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Posted: 02/17/2013 10:56 AM

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Quincey my understanding was that no high level coach wanted to deal with Bowlsby given his forcing out of Trent. The week before Dawkins was hired Bowlsby was begging guys like Mark Fox (then Nevada, now Georgia) to consider the job. Fox and Tony Bennett should have been two top candidates for Bowlsby but he had no credibility with the coaching community.

Now Bowlsby is gone. You had a coach (Monty) that was here for 18 years and another (Trent) that stated Stanford was his dream job. This should be a highly desireable job. Limiting factor will be salary but most of the big name coaches won't come here because they can't recruit who they want to and most have NCAA investigation taints.
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Posted: 02/17/2013 11:27 AM

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Well Einstein, I would bet there were plenty but not when you have to work for Machiavelli.
quinceyh wrote: What's not to understand. Ok I'll simplify it. What was the list of coach's interested in the Stanford job after Trent left? That will tell you what type of coach wanted to take the job

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I'm having a hard time understanding what the hell Quince is talking about. Monty almost won an NCAA championship. Trent got to the Sweet 16 with Nevada. Dawkins has been to the NIT.

BFD.

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Posted: 02/17/2013 12:39 PM

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Someone told me today a very interesting statistic.

Stanford has been swept at home in-conference 3 times in the last 11 years.  All have been during the Johnny Dawkins tenure.  Prior to Johnny you would have to go back to the 2001-2002 season to see a home sweep in-conference (it was UCLA and USC if you are curious).
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Posted: 02/17/2013 3:02 PM

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How about 8-33 on the road in the past 5 years within the conference.
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