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CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME

Posted: 01/12/2013 10:50 PM

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME 


WHAT VALUE AARON BRIGHT HAS IF HE CAN'T HIT THE SIDE OF A BARN?
- mediocre (at best) defender
- mediocre (at best) ball-handler
- can't get to the hole
- can't make a good decision to save his life

I want to see Harris and Randle starting in the backcourt the rest of the season.  Harris may not be much of an offensive threat, but at least he can play defense.

Any game Bright plays more than 10-15 mins is a game we are likely to lose.
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Posted: 01/13/2013 9:19 AM

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None. None at all. That Dawkins cannot figure this out is a little concerning, to say the least. Why he is not developing Sanders is equally baffling. This team is a complete joke and starts at the top.
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Posted: 01/14/2013 9:31 AM

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Not sure Sanders is ready to start, but yeah he should be the first guard off the bench backing up Randle and Harris.
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Posted: 01/14/2013 11:27 AM

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He's around for PC. It keeps the Little People from demonstrating against the U.
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Posted: 01/14/2013 11:43 AM

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Randy Newman
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Posted: 01/14/2013 2:37 PM

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My opinion on Bright:

He's actually a pretty good ball handler (dribbler), but:

- He is asked (and willingly does) WAY TOO MUCH.
Dawk has him running the offense like he's Jay Williams or Kyrie Irving: jacking up off-the-bounce treys (he can't get his feet set), driving into traffic (too small, not athletic enough to get around or above bigs), being the primary 1/2 court ball handler (poor passer, no vision, forces decisions).

He should be used to get the ball up the floor, but he should initiate an offense and not be the primary option. He needs to get the ball to Huestis, Andy Brown, or Powell, run off some screens, let the D forget about him so he can catch and shoot. 

I really think Bright is a victim of the system and a "get a trophy for trying" attitude. I bet his shooting % would improve immensely if he wasn't put upon to be the guy. And why should he be if Stanford can put multiple players on the floor who are better equipped to do the job of primary option at any given time?
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Posted: 01/14/2013 4:00 PM

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So in other words the only thing he's really good for is spot-up shooting.  Sounds like a backup to me.
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Posted: 01/14/2013 4:23 PM

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CardSince84 wrote: So in other words the only thing he's really good for is spot-up shooting.  Sounds like a backup to me.

I don't disagree, but our other PG option is Randle who isn't any better at passing and decision making than Bright.

What I meant to suggest in subtext is: These are the 2 point guards we have, they aren't point guards, but they can be used to get the ball up the floor.

After that, Dawkins needs to figure out how to get the ball out of their hands and into the "offense".
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Posted: 01/14/2013 5:33 PM

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Well at least Randle can create a shot for himself and get to the hole.  And he plays some defense.

And if both are that bad at running the point, why not Sanders?
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Posted: 01/15/2013 4:46 PM

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I'm thinking so of you all have not watched some games. We need brigt to play,. He may be inconsistant but who else can create for others and what other guard has been consistant?  Randle? yeah he gets to the whol but he only looks for his shot and he shots just as bad as Bright from three (not to mention the layups). Has saunders showed to be better than Bright?  Lemons?  If Randle was more of a past first player then i can understand but no other guard gets in the lane and looks to pass other than bright and no other guard other than Randle is better than Bright

As far as defense, even when bright isn't in the game or not playing guards have lit us up like a christmas tree so can we honestly give much praise as far as our back court defense to anyone?

Whats the point of being able to get to the hole if you don't make most of youre shots when you get there and you don't look to pass to others when you aren't making those shots?
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Last edited 01/15/2013 4:47 PM by quinceyh

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Posted: 01/15/2013 7:55 PM

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Sorry but Randle hasn't gone 0-fer the way Bright did on Saturday.

Also, Randle is not a PG he's a SG.

I think it's time to give Sanders the ball.  Like I said, Bright needs to sit deep on the bench.  Top 3 guards should be Sanders, Randle, and Harris.

That, or just bag this year and look forward to a new coach and a new system that might actually work.
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Posted: 01/16/2013 8:54 AM

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quinceyh wrote: I'm thinking so of you all have not watched some games. We need brigt to play,. He may be inconsistant but who else can create for others and what other guard has been consistant?  

I'm guilty of not watching "some" games.

But in the minutes I have seen, Bright hasn't created for anybody beyond setting Powell and Huetis up for putbacks with his bricks.

It is what it is. Stanford doesn't have a point guard this year. I like Brights' moxie but he's limited and asked to do too much.
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Posted: 01/16/2013 4:57 PM

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Randle played the same position as Bright in H.S  and he may not have gone offer before but 3-16 is just as bad as well as turnovers, fouling a guys shooting a three from half court, 3 wide open missed layups, and allowing the last couple of guards to torch him. Seems liek some peopel are forgetting all of these things. What about Brights 21?? Without that we would be 0-4.

Shooting guard doesn't mean shoot every time you have the ball or go one on three when you drive instead of dishing to the wide open guy. Theres no issue if hes hittign his shoot but this year he has regressed something terrible on offense and defense.

Bright has set up more people than anyone else on the team. Randle doesn't set up anyone but his self and the other players either don't have the ability to drive and dish or they have been too scared to make a entry pass if they are getting any pressure. Randle is more frustrating because he has the ability, like bright, to get past players and he always attracts defenders to step up but 9 times out of 10 he tries to take on his man and the man stepping up instead of dishing off to the open man down low or kicking it out.


This year we don't have a capable Pg or SG so far. Hopefully that changes and both guards step up to the level that they played at last year. Bright at least had to come back from injury/surgery then another injury, Randle was healthy all summer and all year
CardSince84 wrote: Sorry but Randle hasn't gone 0-fer the way Bright did on Saturday.

Also, Randle is not a PG he's a SG.

I think it's time to give Sanders the ball.  Like I said, Bright needs to sit deep on the bench.  Top 3 guards should be Sanders, Randle, and Harris.

That, or just bag this year and look forward to a new coach and a new system that might actually work.
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Last edited 01/16/2013 5:01 PM by quinceyh

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Posted: 01/16/2013 5:41 PM

Vs UW: Randle 7 -11 and 2 assists; Bright: 0- 5 and 1 assist. 


As for your "Bright has set up more people than anyone else on the team...", sorry to introduce the facts: 

Assists per game so far this season: Randle 2.9, Bright 2.7.
(Check it out on www.gostanford.com under men's basketball stats). 

Steals so far this year: Randle 26, Bright 6. 

You appear to have an axe to grind against Randle but the facts don't back it up.
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Posted: 01/16/2013 6:53 PM

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Agree with your Randle assessment. Last year as a freshman he shined, but he's really defining the term, "sophomore slump."

At times he makes Monta Ellis look like John Stockton...
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Posted: 01/17/2013 9:35 AM

Re: Vs UW: Randle 7 -11 and 2 assists; Bright: 0- 5 and 1 


ax against Randle?  you must not have watched any games if you think Bright has been the main reason we have our issues. Just ignore the many missed layups and bad shots by Randle and the fact that Randle has been the starting PG while playing more minutes yet hasn't been good at PG or SG. Why exactly are you giving him a pass but dumping completely on Bright like it has been all his fault?

Randle has stelas but you might want to check how many times the guys he is guarding lights him up. Guards have roasted him consistantly this year. Allen Iverson had many steals but did that make him a very good defender?  As far as set up, go rewatch the games and see how many times bright gets in the l;ane and dish to a open man and watch how may times he guy misses the layups or open jumpers then you will under stand when i say he sets up more people on the team than anyone. Also watch how many times Randle gets in the lane but goes for the shot instead of passing to the open man.

Check and see how Randle gets his ast by dribble and pass and someone hitting the shot much more so than driving into the lane and creating for someone else then check and see how many times Bright has done that. I've already done the research and know the answer but i'll let you check for youre self
btl78 wrote: As for your "Bright has set up more people than anyone else on the team...", sorry to introduce the facts: 

Assists per game so far this season: Randle 2.9, Bright 2.7.
(Check it out on www.gostanford.com under men's basketball stats). 

Steals so far this year: Randle 26, Bright 6. 

You appear to have an axe to grind against Randle but the facts don't back it up.
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Posted: 01/17/2013 9:54 AM

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so can't you say the same about Randle since hes shooting almost as bad while playing more minutes? Instead of naming Bright it sounds like you should be saying " our guards". Both shoot 25 percent from three so they are both building houses. Basically we have no guards to set up our bigs and its not just Bright its everyone of the guards.  At the same time our bigs need to finish better and not settle for jumpers
fischtank wrote:
quinceyh wrote: I'm thinking so of you all have not watched some games. We need brigt to play,. He may be inconsistant but who else can create for others and what other guard has been consistant?  

I'm guilty of not watching "some" games.

But in the minutes I have seen, Bright hasn't created for anybody beyond setting Powell and Huetis up for putbacks with his bricks.

It is what it is. Stanford doesn't have a point guard this year. I like Brights' moxie but he's limited and asked to do too much.
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Last edited 01/17/2013 10:05 AM by quinceyh

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Posted: 01/17/2013 5:10 PM

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quinceyh wrote: nstead of naming Bright it sounds like you should be saying " our guards". 
fischtank wrote:
"Stanford doesn't have a point guard this year." 

Figure it out, quincey.

You clearly have a crush on Bright or an Axe to grind with Randle. My post had nothing to do with your "argument" with btl. You are officially in Rainbow Bright echo chamber mode and there is no pot of gold there.
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Posted: 01/17/2013 9:23 PM

For you, some assists are not as good as other assists. Classic. 


By the way, I never posted anything remotely like what you attributed to me: that "Bright has been the main reason we have our issues." If only it were that simple. If you had actually carefully read what I posted, you'd recall that I've said all along that the coaching has been mediocre, the sets stink, we have trouble getting good looks, we have no effective natural center, that we don't do a good job holding onto the ball, that we lose too high a percentage of loose balls, don't do a good job taking it to the hoop, and that with the exception of Josh, we're not strong. So, NO, I don't believe that Bright is "the main reason" for the problems we're having. There are many reasons of comparable importance. 
 

Last edited 01/17/2013 9:32 PM by btl78

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