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The beginning of the end for HS football in Illinois

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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:23 AM

The beginning of the end for HS football in Illinois 


I found this on the Illini boards and thought it was worth reposting (those are not my comments below)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-fo otball-concussions-20130212,0,747478.story

Now there is another politician wanting to impose limitations for tackling during practice for all high school programs throughout the state.  You thought kids out of our magnificant state cannot compete with other states out of south or Ohio...well, now these horrific politicians will help ensure that more kids get hurt because they won't learn how to properly tackle.

Soon these same politicians will eventually ban football at the high school level and eventually at the university level for all state schools.

This state is on the verge of default and this is the all these politicians have to offer.  What a joke.



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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:32 AM

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But just think NU can then gobble up all of the receuits and coaches from the illini, NIU, SIU, Ill. ST., Eastern. Western and Wheaton College to mention a few. Also think that all of those "fans" will have no where to watch college FB then in Evanston.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 12:14 PM

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I don't think you get my meaning... it means that there will be no good recruits coming from the state of Illinois anymore if the programs are eliminated.


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Posted: 2/12/2013 12:49 PM

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LGIPurple wrote: I don't think you get my meaning... it means that there will be no good recruits coming from the state of Illinois anymore if the programs are eliminated.

So because some random soccer mom from Lincolnshire who decided to run for the state senate proposes limiting tackling in practice, we now think there's ACTUALLY a chance that the state could eliminate football at public schools?

Please.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 12:56 PM

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GCG... so you seriously think we will be playing football with the same set of rules 10 years from now? The game will survive... but it won't look the same. That's my belief.

I posted this as a topic of discussion... not that I truly believe football as a sport is doomed. But I think your comment really is ignorant of the popular groundswell for changing this game. The NFL lawsuits are only the tip of the iceberg, IMHO.

I'm not sure why you need to call her a derogatory term like "soccer Mom" suggesting her opinion is worth less. She owns a business and is a Kellogg grad.



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Posted: 2/12/2013 8:20 PM

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LGIPurple wrote:

GCG... so you seriously think we will be playing football with the same set of rules 10 years from now? The game will survive... but it won't look the same. That's my belief.

I posted this as a topic of discussion... not that I truly believe football as a sport is doomed. But I think your comment really is ignorant of the popular groundswell for changing this game. The NFL lawsuits are only the tip of the iceberg, IMHO.

I'm not sure why you need to call her a derogatory term like "soccer Mom" suggesting her opinion is worth less. She owns a business and is a Kellogg grad.

The game may look a little different 10 years from now, but you honestly think they'll eliminate or limit tackling in practice?  That would be a TERRIBLE idea and likely more of a health hazard as kids would have no idea how to hit one another properly.

Quite honestly, kids could probably use MORE tackling practice as nobody -- not even NFL or BCS players -- appear to know proper tackling technique anymore.  It's one of the things that bothers me most about watching modern football.

By "soccer mom" I meant more that she is likely overprotective of her kids and likely doesn't understand the true ramifications of what she's proposing (when did that become a "derogatory" term?) -- just look at the comments from the head coaches in the article.  Any limitation on tackling in practice would be next to impossible to enforce and detrimental long-term as players continue to play without proper technique or time to correct it.

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Posted: 2/13/2013 7:28 AM

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As a parent, I have to absolutely laugh when someone says "We teach proper tackling technique to limit concussions." That simply means they don't know how concussions are caused. There are more long term effects of concussions on the line of scrimmage with blocking than there are in tackling.

from Sportsconcussions.org

"Any contact to the head or body that causes rapid head movement can cause a concussion. It's also important to point out that several lower impacts over time might be more serious than a single collision of great force. For example, offensive linemen in football, who experience contact on almost every play, could be more at risk for permanent brain damage than a wide receiver who absorbs a single hard hit once or twice a game."


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Posted: 2/13/2013 7:35 AM

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For what its worth, GCG, I'm not trying to get in a fight with you... but I am trying to spur a conversation about the changing sport. You seem quick to dismiss it, which is fine. But I sincerely disagree this sport is gonna look similar, particularly at the grade school and high school level in 10 years. And if Illinois is heading in this direction, then I think our backyard recruiting grounds will look less fertile in years to come.


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Posted: 2/13/2013 11:19 AM

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LGIPurple wrote: As a parent, I have to absolutely laugh when someone says "We teach proper tackling technique to limit concussions." That simply means they don't know how concussions are caused. There are more long term effects of concussions on the line of scrimmage with blocking than there are in tackling.

from Sportsconcussions.org

"Any contact to the head or body that causes rapid head movement can cause a concussion. It's also important to point out that several lower impacts over time might be more serious than a single collision of great force. For example, offensive linemen in football, who experience contact on almost every play, could be more at risk for permanent brain damage than a wide receiver who absorbs a single hard hit once or twice a game."
And that is also very avoidable if coached with the proper technique -- strike first with your hands, don't lead with your head, see what you hit, etc.  Linemen who end up with chunks of their helmet taken out over the course of the game are leading with their forehead and not playing with proper technique, either.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 1:01 PM

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There isn't a facepalm big enough for your last post. Football is a violent game. No "proper technique" can sufficiently reduce the risk of CTE. Please please please don't perpetuate the thought process that we can diminish CTE risk with "proper technique". It's just ingenuine. What parents and players NEED to do is be aware of the risk and be prepared to deal with the consequences if they occur. You simply can't reduce the risk of CTE enough with proper technique.


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Posted: 2/13/2013 3:29 PM

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LGIPurple wrote: There isn't a facepalm big enough for your last post. Football is a violent game. No "proper technique" can sufficiently reduce the risk of CTE. Please please please don't perpetuate the thought process that we can diminish CTE risk with "proper technique". It's just ingenuine. What parents and players NEED to do is be aware of the risk and be prepared to deal with the consequences if they occur. You simply can't reduce the risk of CTE enough with proper technique.

I highlighted the key words in your post above.  It's all a matter of what you consider "sufficient" enough reduction of the risk.  For some people it is insufficient unless the risk is zero and their children will never see a football field.  For some people it doesn't matter and their kids are playing football from the first possible year through high school or college.  Most people will be somewhere in between, weighing the risks and making an educated decision on what is best for their child's future.

And yes, you can quite easily reduce the risk of brain injury with proper technique, but you cannot eliminate it.  That's a big difference.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 7:32 PM

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LGIPurple wrote: There isn't a facepalm big enough for your last post. Football is a violent game. No "proper technique" can sufficiently reduce the risk of CTE. Please please please don't perpetuate the thought process that we can diminish CTE risk with "proper technique". It's just ingenuine. What parents and players NEED to do is be aware of the risk and be prepared to deal with the consequences if they occur. You simply can't reduce the risk of CTE enough with proper technique.
You CAN reduce the risk of head injury by teaching proper blocking and tackling technique.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 10:52 PM

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Not by enough to make even a little difference on the frequency of CTE. O

Any coach that suggests their kid is meaningfully less at risk for CTE because of "proper technique" is a liar. I have zero problem with the sport if people know the risk. But if a coach ever says that the risk is mitigated or meaningfully reduced by "proper technique" then they simply don't understand how CTE occurs.


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Posted: 2/13/2013 11:01 PM

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Look, I'm not saying I agree with changing football one bit. However, people need to be aware of the risks. And it's a pet peeve of mine when people think different helmets, proper technique, or eliminating kickoff returns actually will do anything to meaningfully reduce the occurrence of CTE. If you actually don't believe that last sentence then you genuinely need to learn more about the science behind why CTE occurs. It's not the big hits. It's the hundreds of small ones. And the very nature of football, no matter what technique you use or what helmet you wear or where you start your kickoffs will ever address the main fact that all the normal football activities contribute to all the small collisions that cause the brain to slosh around the skull.


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Posted: 2/14/2013 4:12 AM

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We all realize that you're a pansy who doesn't like rough sports, that you got the crap beat out of you during wrestling in gym class, and that you were routinely robbed of your lunch money by bullies by the second period in high school, but please don't allow your shame and humiliation back then from preventing your own children from enjoying the character building experience of beating the crap out of others on the football field.  The pussification of America because of fears of CTE reeks of a communist plot against our hearty lifestyle.  What's that?  The Cold War is over?

My brain sloshed around plenty for many years and I still think I have all my smarts, even if I'm currently out of work.  The same is true with all of my friends who played in HS and in college.  I suggest you do what my parents did for years.  Feed your kids Jello gelatin every night so that their brains become firm and flexible.  Put slices of banana in the Jello; it's good brain food.  Teach your kids that it's better to punch with your hands than to head butt bullies and creeps they don't like. 

Seriously, how many incidents of CTE have been reported from pro athletes than from all other groups.  Maybe the problem is the intense and prolonged exposure to hits for those at the pro level than what kids experience in high school.  Proper coaching most definitely can reduce exposure to dangerous hits.  I don't know of any players I've played with who has had any symptoms associated with CTE.  While I think there are people who are inherently (e.g., genetically) vulnerable to CTE development, the risk appears to be VERY low for participation below the pro level, so relax.  Just think how much money your kids will save you if they can land a scholarship to college.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 6:03 AM

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You might be right. (Especially about my own wussification). But it's a fact that trauma to the head at a younger age while the brain is still growing is more detrimental to brain development than at a later stage.

But at the end of the day, I think we are speaking the same language. Play football, do MMA, play hockey... Just have the full info before you do. And any coach that tells you not to worry because "I teach proper technique" has just admitted that he doesn't really understand the risks.


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