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Who is the biggest steal in Northwestern's class?

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Posted: 1/25/2013 2:12 PM

Who is the biggest steal in Northwestern's class? 


I've been debating with myself: who is the biggest steal in Northwestern's recruiting class. I'd love to hear your input.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 9:18 PM

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Lancaster - if the reports about him man-handling the others at summer camps are true.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 6:38 AM

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How do you define steal? I think of it as guys who were under recruited given their potential and guys who will be major contributors before their career is out. As I look at our class a few guys jump out at me that fit that category. Joraskie, Watkins and Fuessel are guys who were overlooked by some of the other big time programs in their area. I believe all three, after some time for physical development, will be major contributors at NU.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 7:54 AM

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Corbi has a point. How do you define steal?

If we land Clark, he'll be the biggest "steal" given who we will have taken him from, but for now, it would be Godwin, if the rumors that he is visiting Kentucky aren't true (if so, then Fitz has no choice but to withdraw his offer, according to the masses on this board, but it would still be an idiotic move). I don't believe he is visiting Kentucky anymore than I believe Jaleel ever got admitted to NU, because you just don't pick Kentucky over Northwestern. No one is that stupid, and if they are, they wouldn't have an NU offer or admission to this school anyways (so, if Godwin is indeed visiting and considering Kentucky over NU, then on second thought, maybe Fitz should pull the offer anyways, as it would be proof that he's dumb as a rock and should be written off as he'd be unlikely to pass his classes and stay eligible).

If you mean "sleeper" then I'd say it sounds like Tommy Fuessel. Totally under the radar, was headed to Northern until we offered (what's bad for the goose is apparently ok for the gander when it comes to recruiting committed players). But, seems like he exploded his senior year, had ridiculous SPARQ ratings, and could be that rare Lawrence Taylor type recruit who no one else wants but will be All-World that Randy Walker searched under every rock for, but unfortunately carpet bombed and wasted tons of scholarships on kids who had no business being in Division I much less the B1G to land.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 8:07 AM

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While I think you're coming on a little strong, I basically agree -- if Godwin did, in fact, decide to take a RECRUITING visit to Kentucky, then Fitz pretty much has no choice but to pull his scholarship or be branded a hypocrite.  It could very well be that he has a buddy at Kentucky and is going to hang out for a weekend (Kentucky is only about a 3 hour drive from Pickerington), but if he is actively meeting with the football coaches it's a completely different story.

I would also guess that Hytchye was, in fact, admitted to Northwestern because that is a prerequisite for taking an official visit.  Given that he was scheduled to take an official not once but twice, I think he was likely admitted at one point -- the coaches wouldn't put forth the effort to schedule a visit if he still needed to be admitted.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 8:35 AM

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Well, I don't think you totally agree.

 

I agree that he's a hypocrite if he doesn't pull the offer.

 

But, I still think it's an idiotic strategy and policy. Although, as I pointed out, any kid that would consider Kentucky over NU should probably have his scholarship pulled given he was probably an admissions mistake.

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Posted: 1/26/2013 12:48 PM

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EvanstonCat wrote:

 But, seems like he exploded his senior year, had ridiculous SPARQ ratings, and could be that rare Lawrence Taylor type recruit who no one else wants but will be All-World that Randy Walker searched under every rock for, but unfortunately carpet bombed and wasted tons of scholarships on kids who had no business being in Division I much less the B1G to land.

Kinda like Barnett did in 1995.  One, maybe two starters out of an entire class.  I thought Sanders was a starter out of that class but he was a walk-on.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 5:57 PM

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gocatsgo2003 wrote: While I think you're coming on a little strong, I basically agree -- if Godwin did, in fact, decide to take a RECRUITING visit to Kentucky, then Fitz pretty much has no choice but to pull his scholarship or be branded a hypocrite.  It could very well be that he has a buddy at Kentucky and is going to hang out for a weekend (Kentucky is only about a 3 hour drive from Pickerington), but if he is actively meeting with the football coaches it's a completely different story.

I would also guess that Hytchye was, in fact, admitted to Northwestern because that is a prerequisite for taking an official visit.  Given that he was scheduled to take an official not once but twice, I think he was likely admitted at one point -- the coaches wouldn't put forth the effort to schedule a visit if he still needed to be admitted.
If you missed the post, Godwin is NOT visiting Kentucky, he confirmed to me via text. That was just a rumor.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:00 AM

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Gladeskat wrote:
EvanstonCat wrote:

 But, seems like he exploded his senior year, had ridiculous SPARQ ratings, and could be that rare Lawrence Taylor type recruit who no one else wants but will be All-World that Randy Walker searched under every rock for, but unfortunately carpet bombed and wasted tons of scholarships on kids who had no business being in Division I much less the B1G to land.

Kinda like Barnett did in 1995.  One, maybe two starters out of an entire class.  I thought Sanders was a starter out of that class but he was a walk-on.
Barnett was recruiting without any evidence off the last vestiges of the dark ages. Walker was recruiting with 3 Big Ten titles in the past decade (won of course with Barnett's recruits). A huge difference.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:33 AM

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EvanstonCat wrote:
Gladeskat wrote:
EvanstonCat wrote:

 But, seems like he exploded his senior year, had ridiculous SPARQ ratings, and could be that rare Lawrence Taylor type recruit who no one else wants but will be All-World that Randy Walker searched under every rock for, but unfortunately carpet bombed and wasted tons of scholarships on kids who had no business being in Division I much less the B1G to land.

Kinda like Barnett did in 1995.  One, maybe two starters out of an entire class.  I thought Sanders was a starter out of that class but he was a walk-on.
Barnett was recruiting without any evidence off the last vestiges of the dark ages. Walker was recruiting with 3 Big Ten titles in the past decade (won of course with Barnett's recruits). A huge difference.
True, but Walker was also recruiting based off of getting smoked in bowl games by USC, Tennessee, and Nebraska, therefore allowing opposing coaches to easily "negative recruit" against the Cats.

All in all, I'm really not looking to get into yet another Barnett/Walker/Fitz recruiting argument.  Our recruiting is improving along with our results on the field.  That's all that should matter.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 12:43 PM

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"True, but Walker was also recruiting based off of getting smoked in bowl games by USC, Tennessee, and Nebraska, therefore allowing opposing coaches to easily "negative recruit" against the Cats."

Are you serious? Yeah, recruiting off of two straight B1G championships at NU can be a real drag...

The USC Rose Bowl game was very competitive throughout and we should have won it. Tennessee didn't pull away in the Citrus Bowl until the 4th QTR. Yes, Nebraska smoked us in the Alamo Bowl.

Recruiting off of two straight B1G championship seasons and Rose and Citrus Bowl losses was a far bigger recruiting advantage than a 4th or 5th (or even 2nd) place bowl game win would have been.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 6:15 PM

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MrCat95 wrote: "True, but Walker was also recruiting based off of getting smoked in bowl games by USC, Tennessee, and Nebraska, therefore allowing opposing coaches to easily "negative recruit" against the Cats."

Are you serious? Yeah, recruiting off of two straight B1G championships at NU can be a real drag...

The USC Rose Bowl game was very competitive throughout and we should have won it. Tennessee didn't pull away in the Citrus Bowl until the 4th QTR. Yes, Nebraska smoked us in the Alamo Bowl.

Recruiting off of two straight B1G championship seasons and Rose and Citrus Bowl losses was a far bigger recruiting advantage than a 4th or 5th (or even 2nd) place bowl game win would have been.
While a part of me was arguing just to try to get under the skin of ECat, yes I was being serious.

After multiple B1G titles, Northwestern was undoubtedly on the precipice of becoming a consistent member of the B1G's elite... until we got steamrolled by Nebraska.  A good chunk of the recruiting momentum that would otherwise have been won by those titles was mitigated by three straight bowl losses (ESPECIALLY the 66-17 undressing at the hands of Nebraska when it was clear that we were completely outmatched on the field).

It's more about the fact that we were trying to break into the top echelon of the B1G at that point and opposing coaches could easily look at recruits and say "come on... did you see that bowl game?  Do you really think they're in a position to consistently compete for championships?"  It's also easy to forget that our 2000 B1G championship year is also the same year when we got completely pants'd by TCU 41-14.

The point is that there was enough that went on in that season to give opposing coaches sufficient ammunition to negatively recruit against Northwestern.  That ammunition is waning as we continue to win and, most importantly, have a bowl win to point to.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 1:28 AM

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Better to leave it that you were trying to get under my skin (good luck on that, I have a very thick one).

That is an excellent problem to have compared to what Barnett was up against.

Everything is relative. Walker may not have had the cards stacked in his favor to the extent that Urban Meyer or Nick Saban have had in their last few stops, but he did far, far, less with far, far more than Barnett. That is the point.

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