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RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-10, 0-6) L to No. 10 Maryland 62-82

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Posted: 1/18/2013 12:14 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-10, 0-6) L to No. 10 Maryland 62-82 


First 0-6 ACC start in the history of the program. Another ranked team up ahead Sunday with Florida State coming to town...then the schedule eases. I would wager the ladies take out their frustrations on the weaker teams and work toward the #8 or #9 position in the conference.


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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:51 AM

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Wolfpack women fall short against Maryland

www.technicianonline.com/sport...19bb30f31a.html

State will look to rebound from its tough start to ACC play against Florida State at Reynolds Coliseum Sunday afternoon.
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NC State Can't Contain No. 10 Maryland in 82-62 Setback

Senior Marissa Kastanek led the Wolfpack with 16 points.

www.gopack.com/sports/w-baskbl.../011713aaa.html

NC State hosts No. 22 Florida State this Sunday at 3 p.m., on the Regional Sports Network, including Fox Sports Carolinas in North Carolina. At the conclusion of the game, NC State will have played the five-ranked ACC teams in this week's national polls in its first seven league games.

FB prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4, (2013) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9,10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7,12-6


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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:09 AM

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LETTERL wrote: First 0-6 ACC start in the history of the program. Another ranked team up ahead Sunday with Florida State coming to town...then the schedule eases. I would wager the ladies take out their frustrations on the weaker teams and work toward the #8 or #9 position in the conference.
That is sad. We were close a couple of times but it is what it is. If we go 0-for, or only win a game or two in the ACC then yes Kellie should step down on her own accord.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:26 AM

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LETTERL wrote: First 0-6 ACC start in the history of the program. Another ranked team up ahead Sunday with Florida State coming to town...then the schedule eases. I would wager the ladies take out their frustrations on the weaker teams and work toward the #8 or #9 position in the conference.
I hope that happens, but those bottoms teams aren't going to be cakewalks. Last night Clemson beat Wake Forest, making the Pack the only winless team in the league. Still, State does have a very favorable schedule here on out. Knocking off Florida State Sunday could provide enough of the confidence and momentum they need to head into the back-end of the schedule still with a fighting spirit to try to end the season on a more positive note. 

I imagine Harper will wipe the slate clean and keep them focused on the next stretch of games ahead. There's not much else she can do.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:30 AM

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Standings this morning

Duke 6-0
unc-ch 6-0
Maryland 5-1
Florida State 4-2
Miami 4-2
Virginia 3-3
Boston College 2-3
Wake Forest 2-3
Clemson 1-5
Georgia Tech 1-5
Virginia Tech 1-5
NC State 0-6

FB prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4, (2013) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9,10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7,12-6


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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:30 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) 1/17 @ Maryland, 8:30, RSN TV 



ribread wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
abcfan2005 wrote: I'm going to post this very small excerpt. Mods, lease remove if you see fit...

The athletic program is carrying a very large debt. I inherited the debt and we’ll work through it. $51.9 million as of January 18 which was the last update that I have and the Wolfpack Club is carrying $17.4.
So even those that defended LF were wrong about what sort of a manager he was when it came to $.

How many times did we hear the NCSU admin is OK as long as they're in the black financially? That was a lie too? It makes sense, Pack sports sucked so how could they make much/any $?
Hmm.  Where have we heard that story before -- "I inherited a program that had a lot of debt." 

We ran NC State athletics on the cheap under Fowler.  It was incredibly obvious. There was supposedly a rainy day fund that Deb burnt through pretty much right off the bat.  Salaries have gone up and new positions have been created.  By all accounts we're spending more money.  

Something smells fishy here.  We'd better hope someone is auditing this closely or we could be in big trouble.

If that's our debt load, we've got no business spending $250k on a buy out for a non-revenue sport.  Hell, we should be doing everything possible to find Bible a new gig.
yeah, the posters who come here talking about how tight the AD budget is seem to know what they're talking about. At least if we spend some $ on MBB or FB, the upside is increased $ coming in if those 2 do well.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:52 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-10, 0-6) L to No. 10 Maryland 62-82 


One thing Yow will definitely not tolerate is a poor Womens BBall team.       Harper will be gone after this year.

 

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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:52 AM

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Harper's quotes from last night's game:

On starting 0-6 in the ACC:

"I think if we can just get through this stretch. These kids need something positive to happen. I think we're definitely a better team than what we played tonight. We've shown that we can be very competitive in our league. We just haven't been able to finish games out. It's tough right now, when you get in a stretch like this. It's just a snowball effect and you've got to be able to stop that momentum and change it, and it's really hard for us right now. I've got several kids in the locker room that I know will be ready to go at practice tomorrow, and they'll be ready to fight. My biggest challenge is to get all 12 of them there."

On takeaways from the game:
"I thought our bench came in hard and gave us some life, so to speak. I thought we tried to play a lot of kids and rotate around, try to find some combinations that would work for us. I thought we got some good play from some kids that needed the minutes and needed the experience. It will be a great opportunity for film because we got a lot of kids in there. I'm proud of them for not quitting. We just have to keep fighting."

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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:55 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-10, 0-6) L to No. 10 Maryland 62-82 



TheLastMohican wrote: One thing Yow will definitely not tolerate is a poor Womens BBall team.       Harper will be gone after this year.
yeah probably but @ what price?


I'd hate for all the Terp fans who talk trash about her to say one day: "See, we told you!"
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:59 AM

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One bright spot from last night's game is that Lakeesa Daniel came off the bench and hit some nice shots and showed some stuff that showed her true potential. If she could stop playing scared and start playing more loose, she would be so much more effective and might live up to what the staff thought they could get out of her.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:30 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-10, 0-6) L to No. 10 Maryland 62-82 



BlackRazor wrote:
TheLastMohican wrote: One thing Yow will definitely not tolerate is a poor Womens BBall team.       Harper will be gone after this year.
yeah probably but @ what price?


I'd hate for all the Terp fans who talk trash about her to say one day: "See, we told you!"
I am sure DY learned from any mistakes made there. I bet there were money issues before she got there just like here.

Also is MD ready to give back all the National Championships won there while she was running the show?  It think it was 12 or more. All the while we spend a lot of money under Uncle Jed and won zip.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:34 AM

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JesseBolt wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
TheLastMohican wrote: One thing Yow will definitely not tolerate is a poor Womens BBall team.       Harper will be gone after this year.
yeah probably but @ what price?


I'd hate for all the Terp fans who talk trash about her to say one day: "See, we told you!"
I am sure DY learned from any mistakes made there. I bet there were money issues before she got there just like here.

Also is MD ready to give back all the National Championships won there while she was running the show?  It think it was 12 or more. All the while we spend a lot of money under Uncle Jed and won zip.
right, wasted under him.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:38 AM

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BlackRazor wrote:
TheLastMohican wrote: One thing Yow will definitely not tolerate is a poor Womens BBall team.       Harper will be gone after this year.
yeah probably but @ what price?
$247,000 for last year has been posted several times

FB prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4, (2013) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9,10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7,12-6


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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:56 AM

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wolfer79 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
TheLastMohican wrote: One thing Yow will definitely not tolerate is a poor Womens BBall team.       Harper will be gone after this year.
yeah probably but @ what price?
$247,000 for last year has been posted several times
Oh I know that & it would just be the beginning of additional costs.

I'm talking in total.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 10:00 AM

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I watched a few minutes of the game last night while ESPN was on the fritz. This is a terrible basketball team. Maryland looked physically superior and far more skilled. And when a 10-0 run cuts a lead down to 21, well......
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Posted: 1/18/2013 10:11 AM

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TheLastMohican wrote: One thing Yow will definitely not tolerate is a poor Womens BBall team.       
I think you're right about that.  She feels strongly about women's sports, she has personal history at State with women's basketball, and she was once a pretty good coach herself.  I bet she's already got a plan...

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Posted: 1/18/2013 10:34 AM

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BlackRazor wrote:
wolfer79 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
TheLastMohican wrote: One thing Yow will definitely not tolerate is a poor Womens BBall team.       Harper will be gone after this year.
yeah probably but @ what price?
$247,000 for last year has been posted several times
Oh I know that & it would just be the beginning of additional costs.

I'm talking in total.
my guess is $450,000-$600,00 for new head coach and $85,000-$125,000 per staff member

FB prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4, (2013) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9,10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7,12-6


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Posted: 1/18/2013 10:40 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-10, 0-6) L to No. 10 Maryland 62-82 



wolfer79 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
wolfer79 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
TheLastMohican wrote: One thing Yow will definitely not tolerate is a poor Womens BBall team.       Harper will be gone after this year.
yeah probably but @ what price?
$247,000 for last year has been posted several times
Oh I know that & it would just be the beginning of additional costs.

I'm talking in total.
my guess is $450,000-$600,00 for new head coach and $85,000-$125,000 per staff member
Wow, that is not chump change for an AD in the black financially, let alone one in the red.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 10:44 AM

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BlackRazor wrote:
wolfer79 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
wolfer79 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
TheLastMohican wrote: One thing Yow will definitely not tolerate is a poor Womens BBall team.       Harper will be gone after this year.
yeah probably but @ what price?
$247,000 for last year has been posted several times
Oh I know that & it would just be the beginning of additional costs.

I'm talking in total.
my guess is $450,000-$600,00 for new head coach and $85,000-$125,000 per staff member
Wow, that is not chump change for an AD in the black financially, let alone one in the red.
8 home game in football in 2013
it will be included in football ticket prices

I could be high on head coach, depends if hire someone with some success at lower level or established successful head coach at ACC level. Based on ACC and national rankings, this is not a hire someone and hope they work out hire. We will back in this position in 5 years or sooner.

FB prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4, (2013) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9,10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7,12-6


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Posted: 1/18/2013 10:46 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) 1/17 @ Maryland, 8:30, RSN TV 



loneycafe wrote:

Harper's quotes from last night's game:

On starting 0-6 in the ACC:

"I think if we can just get through this stretch. These kids need something positive to happen. I think we're definitely a better team than what we played tonight. We've shown that we can be very competitive in our league. We just haven't been able to finish games out. It's tough right now, when you get in a stretch like this. It's just a snowball effect and you've got to be able to stop that momentum and change it, and it's really hard for us right now. I've got several kids in the locker room that I know will be ready to go at practice tomorrow, and they'll be ready to fight. My biggest challenge is to get all 12 of them there."

On takeaways from the game:
"I thought our bench came in hard and gave us some life, so to speak. I thought we tried to play a lot of kids and rotate around, try to find some combinations that would work for us. I thought we got some good play from some kids that needed the minutes and needed the experience. It will be a great opportunity for film because we got a lot of kids in there. I'm proud of them for not quitting. We just have to keep fighting."

These quotes represent about the only sensible thing a coach can say after this series of conference games. The important unmentioned item is the obvious talent differential. I disagree that we are a better team than what was seen in this game because for about two years we have seen a lot of the same. They do fight hard and certainly deserve credit for that. Sometimes we play a good team close or even win occasionally, particularly if the opponent is not playing particularly well or on the rare occasion that our shots fall and we protect the ball. Our problem is we do not have the ability to play a normal controlled game and win against most of our conference foes. We have to play with such extra effort just to stay within striking distance and that brings the onset of fatigue earlier. Think about this: What if we were having the same amount of injuries as we normally have?
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Posted: 1/18/2013 10:59 AM

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wolfer79 wrote: 8 home game in football in 2013
it will be included in football ticket prices

I could be high on head coach, depends if hire someone with some success at lower level or established successful head coach at ACC level. Based on ACC and national rankings, this is not a hire someone and hope they work out hire. We will back in this position in 5 years or sooner.
I'm sure our fans will love that. It really puts the pressure on the 2 rev sports to do well.

Wonder what sort of name they'll be able to attract because the posters who follow this closely make good points about how tough ACC WBB is now - tougher as a whole than MBB in the ACC. The next coach could make huge strides in improving the program but still finish in the 6th to 8th place range in the conference. I doubt they'll pack the house with results like that.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 11:10 AM

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BlackRazor wrote:
wolfer79 wrote: 8 home game in football in 2013
it will be included in football ticket prices

I could be high on head coach, depends if hire someone with some success at lower level or established successful head coach at ACC level. Based on ACC and national rankings, this is not a hire someone and hope they work out hire. We will back in this position in 5 years or sooner.
I'm sure our fans will love that. It really puts the pressure on the 2 rev sports to do well.

Wonder what sort of name they'll be able to attract because the posters who follow this closely make good points about how tough ACC WBB is now - tougher as a whole than MBB in the ACC. The next coach could make huge strides in improving the program but still finish in the 6th to 8th place range in the conference. I doubt they'll pack the house with results like that.
football and MBB pay for everything else, no different that anyone college athletic program

my guess on 2013 FB prices earlier when you asked where would money come from

I think WBB wil draw 2,000-2,500 average except for Hoops4Hope and maybe unc-ch and a significant portion will be SWPC getting points, other students and father-daughter nights out until there is a chance for ACC championship, same as every other non-revenue sport at NC State.
wolfer79 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:


Like wolfer & FV pointed out our budget issues for FB, BB or basketball hire, I'm not sure how much they have to invest in WBB?
8 home football games in 2013
premium price for unc-ch and East Carolina game.
last time unc-ch was in Raleigh ticket was $65 face value, I am guessing $70 at least this year.
probably around $40 for Louisiana Tech, Central Michigan and Richmond. OOC were $39 in 2012
ACC games (Syracuse, Maryland) probably $60 a game, was $57 in 2012
Clemson game I think will be a premium ticket like FSU was in 2012, $65 in 2012, my guess is $70 for 2013

50,000 people not including student
less than 65 cents a game price increase buys out Harper
3 games @ $40
2 games @ $60
2 game @ $70
East Carolina probably will be same as ACC $60

$440 a ticket for 8 games $55 per game average
was $314 for 7 games in 2012 $44.86 per game average with $20 discount for season tickets
my guess is $400 for season tickets

FB prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4, (2013) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9,10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7,12-6


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Posted: 1/18/2013 11:10 AM

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One thing Yow will definitely not tolerate is a poor Womens BBall team.       Harper will be gone after this year.

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thought Harper was a good hire and was going to do great things at State. Just seems to be trending in the wrong direction. I really thought she had a good first year but has struggled since. They got off to a good start this year, but have really been terrible in conference play. I think a 10-20 to 12-18 finish is a possibility this year prior to the ACC tourney. That may be bad enough for Yow to pull the trigger and cut her loose.

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such a waste for Kastinek and Burke..2 really good players stuck on a team is talent shallow.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 11:26 AM

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Harper has not recruited and has not won. that is a bad combination under DY.
 
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AllStatealltheTime wrote: such a waste for Kastinek and Burke..2 really good players stuck on a team is talent shallow.
This shows you the whole problem.  They are definitely the best on the team, and yet how many other ACC teams would they even start for?  This program has got to get some talent--- to the point that players of their caliber aren't even starting.  This is why KH has to go NOW.  You have to get someone in there who can recruit and you can't afford to waste another year doing it.  Raise student fees if you have too.
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ibmotu wrote:
AllStatealltheTime wrote: such a waste for Kastinek and Burke..2 really good players stuck on a team is talent shallow.
This shows you the whole problem.  They are definitely the best on the team, and yet how many other ACC teams would they even start for?  This program has got to get some talent--- to the point that players of their caliber aren't even starting.  This is why KH has to go NOW.  You have to get someone in there who can recruit and you can't afford to waste another year doing it.  Raise student fees if you have too.
Actually I think those 2 could play on most teams..the problem is in a conference as good as the ACC you need a ton of depth..she is a good coach but isn't getting it done recruiting at all. Sad :-/ And I think that UNC game may have killed the girls confidence...to come so close and lose
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Posted: 1/18/2013 11:38 AM

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Raise ticket prices. It only cost $7/game $100/season tix admission now. I would not mind paying more if we had a nationally relevant team. Kids get in free now. Charge their parents a small fee. It is still cheap entertainment.

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Posted: 1/18/2013 11:42 AM

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LETTERL wrote: First 0-6 ACC start in the history of the program. Another ranked team up ahead Sunday with Florida State coming to town...then the schedule eases. I would wager the ladies take out their frustrations on the weaker teams and work toward the #8 or #9 position in the conference.
We ARE one of "the weaker teams".  I bet we at best go .500 against the lower half of the ACC (the rest of the lower half, I should specify...)


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rexpack71 wrote: Raise ticket prices. It only cost $7/game $100/season tix admission now. I would not mind paying more if we had a nationally relevant team. Kids get in free now. Charge their parents a small fee. It is still cheap entertainment.
Thats a tough situation, because if you raise them too high you can "price out" some people and hurt attendence.  Is $7 for a reserved seat? 
At Duke its $9--12 for a General admision ticket--mainly the upper endzones, and $15-20 for reserved seats--depending on the opponent, so it sounds like to me that there is room to raise the prices, especially if you do it at the same time you bring in a new coach.
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