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RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78

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Posted: 1/15/2013 4:10 PM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78 



ibmotu wrote: For those interested,  I mentioned having 8 teams in the ACC ranked at some point in the future.  This weeks' poll has:

ND #2
Duke #4
MD #10
unc #11
Louisville #15
FSU #22
Syracuse #26
Miami #27
wow, that coach will have a tough road ahead with that comp!
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Posted: 1/15/2013 5:36 PM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78 



JesseBolt wrote:
ibmotu wrote:
bppack wrote: any speculation on who our new coach will be?

It was discussed a little bit yesterday.  Try midway down page 26.
I think for most fans that follow the program Gail Goestenkors is the first choice. She was the ACC coach of the year 7 times at Duke. Besides Kay Yow she is my favorite ACC WBB coach of all time. She knew how to whoop on the holes.
Yes, she is mine. Another name to add to the list is Trisha Stafford-Odom. She is a terrific recruiter.

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Posted: 1/15/2013 5:44 PM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78 



rexpack71 wrote:
JesseBolt wrote:
ibmotu wrote:
bppack wrote: any speculation on who our new coach will be?

It was discussed a little bit yesterday.  Try midway down page 26.
I think for most fans that follow the program Gail Goestenkors is the first choice. She was the ACC coach of the year 7 times at Duke. Besides Kay Yow she is my favorite ACC WBB coach of all time. She knew how to whoop on the holes.
Yes, she is mine. Another name to add to the list is Trisha Stafford-Odom. She is a terrific recruiter.
The problem there is she is on the coaching staff at Duke. Even a very good recruiter would have a difficult time getting recruits to switch from interest in Duke to interest in N C State. My guess would be her first head coaching job will be somewhere on the west coast.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 5:55 PM

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She is on the staff at UNC-CH.

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Posted: 1/15/2013 5:57 PM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78 



seniorwolf60 wrote:
rexpack71 wrote:
JesseBolt wrote:
ibmotu wrote:
bppack wrote: any speculation on who our new coach will be?

It was discussed a little bit yesterday.  Try midway down page 26.
I think for most fans that follow the program Gail Goestenkors is the first choice. She was the ACC coach of the year 7 times at Duke. Besides Kay Yow she is my favorite ACC WBB coach of all time. She knew how to whoop on the holes.
Yes, she is mine. Another name to add to the list is Trisha Stafford-Odom. She is a terrific recruiter.
The problem there is she is on the coaching staff at Duke. Even a very good recruiter would have a difficult time getting recruits to switch from interest in Duke to interest in N C State. My guess would be her first head coaching job will be somewhere on the west coast.
Actually, she got miffed at McCallie last year and quit and is now on Sylvia's staff at Kerliner.  Two reasons I wouldn't be high on her.  1) a Head Coach has to have the right temperment and she hasn't shown that to me yet--just doesn't seem to have that "it"  2)  She is supposed to be a good recruiter, but Duke has actually improved their recruiting since she left sooooo--not sure how good she actually was.
There is no doubt that she should be contacted and interviewed if she is interested in the job, but for some reason I just am not that high on her.  Can't explain it.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 5:59 PM

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She definitely is not at the top of my list. Just a name to float out there.

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Posted: 1/15/2013 6:05 PM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78 



ibmotu wrote:
seniorwolf60 wrote:
rexpack71 wrote:
JesseBolt wrote:
ibmotu wrote:
bppack wrote: any speculation on who our new coach will be?

It was discussed a little bit yesterday.  Try midway down page 26.
I think for most fans that follow the program Gail Goestenkors is the first choice. She was the ACC coach of the year 7 times at Duke. Besides Kay Yow she is my favorite ACC WBB coach of all time. She knew how to whoop on the holes.
Yes, she is mine. Another name to add to the list is Trisha Stafford-Odom. She is a terrific recruiter.
The problem there is she is on the coaching staff at Duke. Even a very good recruiter would have a difficult time getting recruits to switch from interest in Duke to interest in N C State. My guess would be her first head coaching job will be somewhere on the west coast.
Actually, she got miffed at McCallie last year and quit and is now on Sylvia's staff at Kerliner.  Two reasons I wouldn't be high on her.  1) a Head Coach has to have the right temperment and she hasn't shown that to me yet--just doesn't seem to have that "it"  2)  She is supposed to be a good recruiter, but Duke has actually improved their recruiting since she left sooooo--not sure how good she actually was.
There is no doubt that she should be contacted and interviewed if she is interested in the job, but for some reason I just am not that high on her.  Can't explain it.
Yep. I forgot about that switcheroo. I don't think we need an area wanderer.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 6:20 PM

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Rekha Patterson
Rekha Patterson
Position:
Associate Coach/Recruiting Coordinator

Rekha Patterson, associate coach/recruiting coordinator, keeps moving up the ranks of the Lady Bear program. A former Lady Bear graduate assistant and coordinator of basketball operations, Patterson begins her second season as a coach. She is now able to hit the recruiting trail, assist on the court, manage the program's Nike account and oversee the team's academic and community service activities.

Patterson served as coordinator of basketball operations for three seasons and was the program's graduate assistant from 2002-04 where she was primarily responsible for film exchange, coordinating recruiting correspondence and visits. Her efforts helped pave the way for the Lady Bears' 2005 NCAA championship. In her first two seasons, Baylor was the 2003 WNIT runner-up and advanced to the 2004 NCAA Tournament's Sweet 16 for the first time in school history.

She returned to Baylor after coaching stops at Creighton, Ball State and Eastern Illinois where she was actively involved in coaching position players, recruiting, preparing scouting reports and overseeing academics. At each institution, she helped each team achieve a better record than the year prior to her arrival. She also coached all-conference players as well as Conference Rookie of the Year student-athletes, during her time away from Baylor.

Prior to enrolling at Baylor, she spent one year in the NCAA office as an Education Services intern, where she helped coordinate the Stay in Bounds silent auction and assisted with the CHAMPS / Life Skills and Continuing Education Conference. Patterson earned her undergraduate degree in public relations from North Carolina A&T in 2001, where she was a four-year letterwinner and two-time team captain in basketball. Upon finishing her degree, she was a recipient of the Black Coaches Association Postgraduate Scholarship and the NCAA Ethnic Minority Postgraduate Scholarship. Patterson earned her master's degree in education with a sports management emphasis from Baylor in 2004.

The Red Springs, N.C., native currently lives in Waco. She was born Feb. 10, 1979, in Lumberton, N.C.

Patterson's parents, Eva Patterson-Heath and her father, Tim Heath, are both coaches at Fayetteville State  University .


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Posted: 1/15/2013 6:22 PM

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Bill Brock
Bill Brock
Position:
Associate Head Coach

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Bill Brock begins his 10th season at Baylor, serving two years as assistant coach and eight years as associate head coach. Brock's duties include serving as recruiting coordinator, working with the Lady Bear post players, spearheading the staff's scouting efforts and making in-game player defensive assignments.


After six years at Baylor, from 2000-06, Brock assumed the same duties at Texas Tech for three years and immediately helped orchestrate a top 10 recruiting class. His efforts helped prepare the foundation for a team that received its first NCAA Tournament bid in six seasons this past year.


Brock played an instrumental role in the Lady Bears winning both the 2005 and 2012 NCAA championships, reaching the 2010 Final Four, the 2011 Elite Eight and winning Big 12 Conference regular-season and tournament titles in 2005, 2011 and 2012. While serving as recruiting coordinator with the Lady Bear program, Brock has helped land some of the nation's best recruiting classes including the nation's No. 1 recruiting class in 2005-06 according to All Star Girls Report. He also developed the Lady Bears' inside game to one of elite status, led by All-Americans Brittney Griner, Destiny Williams, Sophia Young and Steffanie Blackmon.


Before arriving in Waco in 2000, Brock spent 13 seasons as the head coach at Grayson County (Texas) College, establishing that program as one of the best in the junior college ranks.

During his first year at Grayson in 1987-88, Brock led the Lady Vikings to their first-ever Northern Texas Conference title and a top 25 national ranking. Grayson continued that success by winning 10 conference championships, two regional titles and two national tournament berths (1996, 2000). During his tenure, the Lady Vikings were a mainstay in the top 10 national poll. His career ended at Grayson with a 371-50 record that was highlighted by a 36-1 season and a third-place finish at the 2000 NJCAA National Tournament. He also coached 10 Northern Texas Conference Most Valuable Players and nine All-Americans. Brock's efforts were honored by his peers, as he was voted conference Coach of the Year nine times and regional Coach of the Year twice. He was also recognized in 1996 as the National Junior College Coach of the Year by the Women's Basketball Coaches Association.


Brock's on-court success also carried over into the classroom. With his emphasis on academics and graduation of players, over 60 GCC student-athletes received scholarships and continued their basketball careers at four-year institutions.


Prior to his stint at Grayson, Brock was an assistant coach for the men's basketball team at East Central University (Okla.) from 1985-87. He got his start in coaching as the head boys coach at Durant High School (Okla.) from 1982-85.


The Oklahoma native graduated from Southeastern Oklahoma State in 1976 and received his master's degree from there in 1981. He and his wife, Janice, have two daughters, Danika and Whitney, both Texas Tech graduates and two grandsons. Danika is married to Mark Morefield and they are the proud parents of a son, Harrison, who was born on Sept. 3, 2011. Whitney has a seven-year-old son, Brock, and is employed by the WISD at South Waco Elementary School.


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Posted: 1/15/2013 6:26 PM

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EasternNCstyleBBQueWolf wrote:
Rekha Patterson
Rekha Patterson
Position:
Associate Coach/Recruiting Coordinator

Rekha Patterson, associate coach/recruiting coordinator, keeps moving up the ranks of the Lady Bear program. A former Lady Bear graduate assistant and coordinator of basketball operations, Patterson begins her second season as a coach. She is now able to hit the recruiting trail, assist on the court, manage the program's Nike account and oversee the team's academic and community service activities.

Patterson served as coordinator of basketball operations for three seasons and was the program's graduate assistant from 2002-04 where she was primarily responsible for film exchange, coordinating recruiting correspondence and visits. Her efforts helped pave the way for the Lady Bears' 2005 NCAA championship. In her first two seasons, Baylor was the 2003 WNIT runner-up and advanced to the 2004 NCAA Tournament's Sweet 16 for the first time in school history.

She returned to Baylor after coaching stops at Creighton, Ball State and Eastern Illinois where she was actively involved in coaching position players, recruiting, preparing scouting reports and overseeing academics. At each institution, she helped each team achieve a better record than the year prior to her arrival. She also coached all-conference players as well as Conference Rookie of the Year student-athletes, during her time away from Baylor.

Prior to enrolling at Baylor, she spent one year in the NCAA office as an Education Services intern, where she helped coordinate the Stay in Bounds silent auction and assisted with the CHAMPS / Life Skills and Continuing Education Conference. Patterson earned her undergraduate degree in public relations from North Carolina A&T in 2001, where she was a four-year letterwinner and two-time team captain in basketball. Upon finishing her degree, she was a recipient of the Black Coaches Association Postgraduate Scholarship and the NCAA Ethnic Minority Postgraduate Scholarship. Patterson earned her master's degree in education with a sports management emphasis from Baylor in 2004.

The Red Springs, N.C., native currently lives in Waco. She was born Feb. 10, 1979, in Lumberton, N.C.

Patterson's parents, Eva Patterson-Heath and her father, Tim Heath, are both coaches at Fayetteville State  University .

Definitely  a name to watch in the future, but too inexperienced for a job like State's.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 6:47 PM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78 



wolfer79 wrote:
wolfie91 wrote:
wolfer79 wrote:
abcfan2005 wrote: No.

Not at this point at least. And I hate to say that, because I want this program to succeed, but another buyout would be tough on the department. 
BlackRazor wrote: Thanks wolfer!

Wow, for those who want a top notch WBB program again, you want DY to invest that much in a new coach?
don't worry. the buyout and salary increase will be included in the cost of football and MBB  tickets in 2013-14 and concessions at Carter-Finley.
how much can a one year buyout for harper be?
from previous page


fvpackman1 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
It may have been you who's talked about the NCSU AD budget in the past, any insights on what sort of a hit it would take for a buyout or to get another coach?

Her buyout would be 247k...have no idea what a new coach will cost.....
That's a significant buy-out for a WBB coach versus weathering the storm for another year...
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Posted: 1/15/2013 7:10 PM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78 



Zhuge1 wrote:
wolfer79 wrote:
wolfie91 wrote:
wolfer79 wrote:
abcfan2005 wrote: No.

Not at this point at least. And I hate to say that, because I want this program to succeed, but another buyout would be tough on the department. 
BlackRazor wrote: Thanks wolfer!

Wow, for those who want a top notch WBB program again, you want DY to invest that much in a new coach?
don't worry. the buyout and salary increase will be included in the cost of football and MBB  tickets in 2013-14 and concessions at Carter-Finley.
how much can a one year buyout for harper be?
from previous page


fvpackman1 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
It may have been you who's talked about the NCSU AD budget in the past, any insights on what sort of a hit it would take for a buyout or to get another coach?

Her buyout would be 247k...have no idea what a new coach will cost.....
That's a significant buy-out for a WBB coach versus weathering the storm for another year...
Here's the problem. If we weather the storm for another year to save the money, we might as well weather it indefinitely, because by then the program will not be recoverable without spending much more money than the buyout. While that is not an absolute projection, the odds favor it. We were in a situation when Harper was hired where we needed someone to re-energize the program. It was a chance that has unfortunately gone the other way. Now the program is getting close to being on life support, so the cost to resurrect it will be a lot more. Without it, we going to be looking at something similar to our volleyball program from about 2000 to 2010, unless we get very, very lucky.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 10:41 PM

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My bet is the perfect season stays intact.....only 13 more to gonoidea

Last edited 1/15/2013 10:41 PM by jdaniels

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Posted: 1/16/2013 1:28 AM

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Interesting...

She definitely strikes me as someone who has worked for everything she has. She's gone from A&T to Baylor, with some less than desirable spots in between.

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--- EasternNCstyleBBQueWolf wrote:

Rekha Patterson
Rekha Patterson
Position:
Associate Coach/Recruiting Coordinator

Rekha Patterson, associate coach/recruiting coordinator, keeps moving up the ranks of the Lady Bear program. A former Lady Bear graduate assistant and coordinator of basketball operations, Patterson begins her second season as a coach. She is now able to hit the recruiting trail, assist on the court, manage the program's Nike account and oversee the team's academic and community service activities.

Patterson served as coordinator of basketball operations for three seasons and was the program's graduate assistant from 2002-04 where she was primarily responsible for film exchange, coordinating recruiting correspondence and visits. Her efforts helped pave the way for the Lady Bears' 2005 NCAA championship. In her first two seasons, Baylor was the 2003 WNIT runner-up and advanced to the 2004 NCAA Tournament's Sweet 16 for the first time in school history.

She returned to Baylor after coaching stops at Creighton, Ball State and Eastern Illinois where she was actively involved in coaching position players, recruiting, preparing scouting reports and overseeing academics. At each institution, she helped each team achieve a better record than the year prior to her arrival. She also coached all-conference players as well as Conference Rookie of the Year student-athletes, during her time away from Baylor.

Prior to enrolling at Baylor, she spent one year in the NCAA office as an Education Services intern, where she helped coordinate the Stay in Bounds silent auction and assisted with the CHAMPS / Life Skills and Continuing Education Conference. Patterson earned her undergraduate degree in public relations from North Carolina A&T in 2001, where she was a four-year letterwinner and two-time team captain in basketball. Upon finishing her degree, she was a recipient of the Black Coaches Association Postgraduate Scholarship and the NCAA Ethnic Minority Postgraduate Scholarship. Patterson earned her master's degree in education with a sports management emphasis from Baylor in 2004.

The Red Springs, N.C., native currently lives in Waco. She was born Feb. 10, 1979, in Lumberton, N.C.

Patterson's parents, Eva Patterson-Heath and her father, Tim Heath, are both coaches at Fayetteville State  University .



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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:52 AM

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Below is an updated running list of names folks here have offered up if Harper doesn't earn a fifth year. Again, this is not my list, and I'll save my commentary for now, except to say call Coach G first. 

Click on the name for links to their bios:

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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:56 AM

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Zhuge1 wrote:
wolfer79 wrote:
wolfie91 wrote:
wolfer79 wrote:
abcfan2005 wrote: No.

Not at this point at least. And I hate to say that, because I want this program to succeed, but another buyout would be tough on the department. 
BlackRazor wrote: Thanks wolfer!

Wow, for those who want a top notch WBB program again, you want DY to invest that much in a new coach?
don't worry. the buyout and salary increase will be included in the cost of football and MBB  tickets in 2013-14 and concessions at Carter-Finley.
how much can a one year buyout for harper be?
from previous page


fvpackman1 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
It may have been you who's talked about the NCSU AD budget in the past, any insights on what sort of a hit it would take for a buyout or to get another coach?

Her buyout would be 247k...have no idea what a new coach will cost.....
That's a significant buy-out for a WBB coach versus weathering the storm for another year...


TOB's ex-buy-out to the rescue 111!!!!
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:57 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78 



ibmotu wrote:
seniorwolf60 wrote:
rexpack71 wrote:
JesseBolt wrote:
ibmotu wrote:
bppack wrote: any speculation on who our new coach will be?

It was discussed a little bit yesterday.  Try midway down page 26.
I think for most fans that follow the program Gail Goestenkors is the first choice. She was the ACC coach of the year 7 times at Duke. Besides Kay Yow she is my favorite ACC WBB coach of all time. She knew how to whoop on the holes.
Yes, she is mine. Another name to add to the list is Trisha Stafford-Odom. She is a terrific recruiter.
The problem there is she is on the coaching staff at Duke. Even a very good recruiter would have a difficult time getting recruits to switch from interest in Duke to interest in N C State. My guess would be her first head coaching job will be somewhere on the west coast.
Actually, she got miffed at McCallie last year and quit and is now on Sylvia's staff at Kerliner.  Two reasons I wouldn't be high on her.  1) a Head Coach has to have the right temperment and she hasn't shown that to me yet--just doesn't seem to have that "it"  2)  She is supposed to be a good recruiter, but Duke has actually improved their recruiting since she left sooooo--not sure how good she actually was.
There is no doubt that she should be contacted and interviewed if she is interested in the job, but for some reason I just am not that high on her.  Can't explain it.
But didn't Carolina also improve their recruiting after her addition? For whatever speculation people have about why that incoming class is coming together, that incoming class is huge and the best Hatchell has had in years.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:09 AM

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abcfan2005 wrote: No.

Not at this point at least. And I hate to say that, because I want this program to succeed, but another buyout would be tough on the department. 
BlackRazor wrote: Thanks wolfer!

Wow, for those who want a top notch WBB program again, you want DY to invest that much in a new coach?
I agree.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:11 AM

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fvpackman1 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
It may have been you who's talked about the NCSU AD budget in the past, any insights on what sort of a hit it would take for a buyout or to get another coach?

Her buyout would be 247k...have no idea what a new coach will cost.....
Thanks man - holy cow that's a lot of $ for a coach that hasn't done much.

Then on top of that, whatever the new coach would cost. That's not chump change.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:24 AM

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PackMentality87 wrote:
Zhuge1 wrote:
wolfer79 wrote:
wolfie91 wrote:
wolfer79 wrote:
abcfan2005 wrote: No.

Not at this point at least. And I hate to say that, because I want this program to succeed, but another buyout would be tough on the department. 
BlackRazor wrote: Thanks wolfer!

Wow, for those who want a top notch WBB program again, you want DY to invest that much in a new coach?
don't worry. the buyout and salary increase will be included in the cost of football and MBB  tickets in 2013-14 and concessions at Carter-Finley.
how much can a one year buyout for harper be?
from previous page


fvpackman1 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
It may have been you who's talked about the NCSU AD budget in the past, any insights on what sort of a hit it would take for a buyout or to get another coach?

Her buyout would be 247k...have no idea what a new coach will cost.....
That's a significant buy-out for a WBB coach versus weathering the storm for another year...


TOB's ex-buy-out to the rescue 111!!!!
Even with no TOB rebate it makes me snicker to think somebody would think DY would let 247 grand stand in the way of the right coach at the right time.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:30 AM

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JesseBolt wrote: Even with no TOB rebate it makes me snicker to think somebody would think DY would let 247 grand stand in the way of the right coach at the right time.
Assuming she's out there & willing to take it?

The posters make a good point about how tough the ACC is for WBB. We always heard how tough the men's job @ NCSU was due to Duke & UNC. But aside from those 2, who was really all that tough BB wise year in & out in the ACC? (prior to Louisville & Syracuse joining).

The next WBB coach looks like they'll have to deal with the 2 blues up the road in addition to a # of strong other ACC programs.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:39 AM

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Thanks man - holy cow that's a lot of $ for a coach that hasn't done much.
This is what I said when she was hired!
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:45 AM

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loneycafe wrote:
ibmotu wrote:
seniorwolf60 wrote:
rexpack71 wrote:
JesseBolt wrote:
ibmotu wrote:
bppack wrote: any speculation on who our new coach will be?

It was discussed a little bit yesterday.  Try midway down page 26.
I think for most fans that follow the program Gail Goestenkors is the first choice. She was the ACC coach of the year 7 times at Duke. Besides Kay Yow she is my favorite ACC WBB coach of all time. She knew how to whoop on the holes.
Yes, she is mine. Another name to add to the list is Trisha Stafford-Odom. She is a terrific recruiter.
The problem there is she is on the coaching staff at Duke. Even a very good recruiter would have a difficult time getting recruits to switch from interest in Duke to interest in N C State. My guess would be her first head coaching job will be somewhere on the west coast.
Actually, she got miffed at McCallie last year and quit and is now on Sylvia's staff at Kerliner.  Two reasons I wouldn't be high on her.  1) a Head Coach has to have the right temperment and she hasn't shown that to me yet--just doesn't seem to have that "it"  2)  She is supposed to be a good recruiter, but Duke has actually improved their recruiting since she left sooooo--not sure how good she actually was.
There is no doubt that she should be contacted and interviewed if she is interested in the job, but for some reason I just am not that high on her.  Can't explain it.
But didn't Carolina also improve their recruiting after her addition? For whatever speculation people have about why that incoming class is coming together, that incoming class is huge and the best Hatchell has had in years.
Their recruiting did improve, but the "big haul" they have coming in next year was mainly due to the players themselves.  They basically got together on their own and decided they would all commit to unc on the same day--trying to be kind of a womens version of the fab five.  TSO is definitely a good recruiter though.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:49 AM

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The common theme (with most of our sports) is that we squandered the opportunities to be one of the elites in the league.  Back when I was in school in the mid 80s, our women's team was up there and Duke was on the level of Wake.  We never really capitalized on the success of the Stinson years.  With the rise of the men's team, perhaps NCSU will be more popular in general and hopefully can attract more talent across the board.  Especially, if the next hire is competent.
BlackRazor wrote:
JesseBolt wrote: Even with no TOB rebate it makes me snicker to think somebody would think DY would let 247 grand stand in the way of the right coach at the right time.
Assuming she's out there & willing to take it?

The posters make a good point about how tough the ACC is for WBB. We always heard how tough the men's job @ NCSU was due to Duke & UNC. But aside from those 2, who was really all that tough BB wise year in & out in the ACC? (prior to Louisville & Syracuse joining).

The next WBB coach looks like they'll have to deal with the 2 blues up the road in addition to a # of strong other ACC programs.
Go Pack!!!!
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:50 AM

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JesseBolt wrote:
Even with no TOB rebate it makes me snicker to think somebody would think DY would let 247 grand stand in the way of the right coach at the right time.

$250,000 is $5 per person (not including student) in ticket price increase spread out over 8 games than add whatever new staff cost above existing

FB prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4, (2013) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9,10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7,12-6


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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:54 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78 



BlackRazor wrote:
JesseBolt wrote: Even with no TOB rebate it makes me snicker to think somebody would think DY would let 247 grand stand in the way of the right coach at the right time.
Assuming she's out there & willing to take it?

The posters make a good point about how tough the ACC is for WBB. We always heard how tough the men's job @ NCSU was due to Duke & UNC. But aside from those 2, who was really all that tough BB wise year in & out in the ACC? (prior to Louisville & Syracuse joining).

The next WBB coach looks like they'll have to deal with the 2 blues up the road in addition to a # of strong other ACC programs.
This is what people fail to realize about WBB.  The ACC is a far tougher conference for WBB than for MBB.  We could EASILY have 4 top ten teams next year and 8-9 ranked teams--just unheard of.  Point being, you can't half-@&& your program in this league. Big money has to be spent on a Coach and facilities if you are going to compete at all.  I'm sure DY is aware of this and will commit to the program.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:57 AM

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fvpackman1 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
It may have been you who's talked about the NCSU AD budget in the past, any insights on what sort of a hit it would take for a buyout or to get another coach?

Her buyout would be 247k...have no idea what a new coach will cost.....
I normally trust that FV is in the know on things like this.  To me, that seems like a lot of money to pay in a non-revenue sport, just to turn around and take a similar gamble.  Unless some donors are willing to step up and fund it, then I don't think this is something the department should take on.  We should just let the contract expire.  

I'm afraid on this one, Yow's sister's legacy might cloud her judgement.  She's seemingly got a short leash and it will be even shorter here.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 10:07 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78 



ibmotu wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
JesseBolt wrote: Even with no TOB rebate it makes me snicker to think somebody would think DY would let 247 grand stand in the way of the right coach at the right time.
Assuming she's out there & willing to take it?

The posters make a good point about how tough the ACC is for WBB. We always heard how tough the men's job @ NCSU was due to Duke & UNC. But aside from those 2, who was really all that tough BB wise year in & out in the ACC? (prior to Louisville & Syracuse joining).

The next WBB coach looks like they'll have to deal with the 2 blues up the road in addition to a # of strong other ACC programs.
This is what people fail to realize about WBB.  The ACC is a far tougher conference for WBB than for MBB.  We could EASILY have 4 top ten teams next year and 8-9 ranked teams--just unheard of.  Point being, you can't half-@&& your program in this league. Big money has to be spent on a Coach and facilities if you are going to compete at all.  I'm sure DY is aware of this and will commit to the program.
Exactly. We have to have the right person as it is not going to be easy road.

DY probably will not say it publicly or privately (I wouldn't) but this is a personal hire for a obvious reason. A lot will go into it. She has hit home runs with every hire she has made IMO and I expect her to to do it again.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 10:15 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78 



ribread wrote:
fvpackman1 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
It may have been you who's talked about the NCSU AD budget in the past, any insights on what sort of a hit it would take for a buyout or to get another coach?

Her buyout would be 247k...have no idea what a new coach will cost.....
I normally trust that FV is in the know on things like this.  To me, that seems like a lot of money to pay in a non-revenue sport, just to turn around and take a similar gamble.  Unless some donors are willing to step up and fund it, then I don't think this is something the department should take on.  We should just let the contract expire.  

I'm afraid on this one, Yow's sister's legacy might cloud her judgement.  She's seemingly got a short leash and it will be even shorter here.
I agree & it's probably going to be a gamble hire. I'm sure some young coach will be willing to take the job & even if they think down deep they won't do well, they won't mind making a nice 6 figure income for a few years.

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Posted: 1/16/2013 10:17 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (8-9, 0-5) L to Virginia 59-78 



ibmotu wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
JesseBolt wrote: Even with no TOB rebate it makes me snicker to think somebody would think DY would let 247 grand stand in the way of the right coach at the right time.
Assuming she's out there & willing to take it?

The posters make a good point about how tough the ACC is for WBB. We always heard how tough the men's job @ NCSU was due to Duke & UNC. But aside from those 2, who was really all that tough BB wise year in & out in the ACC? (prior to Louisville & Syracuse joining).

The next WBB coach looks like they'll have to deal with the 2 blues up the road in addition to a # of strong other ACC programs.
This is what people fail to realize about WBB.  The ACC is a far tougher conference for WBB than for MBB.  We could EASILY have 4 top ten teams next year and 8-9 ranked teams--just unheard of.  Point being, you can't half-@&& your program in this league. Big money has to be spent on a Coach and facilities if you are going to compete at all.  I'm sure DY is aware of this and will commit to the program.


So what?  The ACC was a bear in the 80's when V was coaching the men.  That's no excuse.
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