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Re: WBB 2012-13: Exhibition v. N. Greenville Nov. 4 @ 6:30

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Posted: 10/30/2012 5:25 PM

Re: WBB 2012-13: Exhibition v. N. Greenville Nov. 4 @ 6:30 


Adam Gold @ AGoldFan

Talking college football with @ WesDurham (4:30) and opening night in the NBA with @ bomani_jones (5:15) + @ KellieHarper (6:15) on NCSUWBB


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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:20 AM

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rexpack71 wrote: Adam Gold @ AGoldFan

Talking college football with @ WesDurham (4:30) and opening night in the NBA with @ bomani_jones (5:15) + @ KellieHarper (6:15) on NCSUWBB

Did anyone listen?


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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:46 AM

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I did. Nothing new for those who follow the program. Biggest points:

1. They discussed using male players during practices and how physical the practices can be.
2. Key to having a successful season is consistency. Players are older, more mature this season so hopefully they will be more consistent.
3. Influence of Kay Yow.
4. Harper wants to win more than anyone else. She puts more pressure on herself to win than any external pressure.
5. Excited about NCSU MBB. Should help the WBB program if they are successful.






This was sent yesterday:

NC State WomensBball @ PackWomensBball

Tomorrow we will be live tweeting our Media Day beginning around 2:30 pm @ PackWomensBball


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Posted: 10/31/2012 3:03 PM

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Edited to clean up formatting, from NC State's media day. 

From @PackWomensBball

Harper: We return 4 of our 5 leading scorers, and we've addressed some areas by adding new pieces. I think we'll sneak up on some people

No one works harder than [Kastanek], because of that, people learn to respect her immediately. She did that as a freshman.

We have to be more consistent. Hands down, that's the biggest idea our kids need to buy into.

On Markeisha Gatling: Coming from juco, she's playing at a little bit of a higher level than our freshmen, that has sped practice up

On Len'Nique Brown: She's very fast with the basketball, very coachable, a great teammate, but her speed is something we desperately needed

on NonCon: It's important for us to play quality opponents, and collect quality wins outside of conference. Our kids want to play the best. Starting 5 to this point: Kastanek, MGC, Barrett, Burke and Gatling # outtime

Harper: Marissa wants nothing more to get her teammates to the NCAA tournament 

Harper: This preseason has gone by really fast for us...all the vibes are really positive so far

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Posted: 10/31/2012 3:13 PM

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I really hope she is successful this season.  I really like Harper, and, frankly, have been absolutely stunned at how she has struggle with recruiting...But I think she's on to something with the MBB success helping her.  Duke was absolutely an also-ran in womens hoops until K began his rise to national prominence, and I'm sure that helped bring along the womens program as well.  Did they make some really good coaching hires?  Certainly, but the national attention to the "Duke brand" in hoops rubbed off on the womens program.


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Posted: 10/31/2012 3:24 PM

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Got my season tics yesterday. We will be there like always cheering them on.

We would love to be suprised at seeing a lot of progress. Regardless, we don't give up as fans and the team's biggest strength has been they don't give up either. They fight to the end win or lose.

GO PACK!
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Posted: 10/31/2012 3:25 PM

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89Gradv2 wrote: I really hope she is successful this season.  I really like Harper, and, frankly, have been absolutely stunned at how she has struggle with recruiting...But I think she's on to something with the MBB success helping her.  Duke was absolutely an also-ran in womens hoops until K began his rise to national prominence, and I'm sure that helped bring along the womens program as well.  Did they make some really good coaching hires?  Certainly, but the national attention to the "Duke brand" in hoops rubbed off on the womens program.
The Men's team at Duke certainly helped I'm sure, but Duke "got good" by a mix of a good hire and luck.  They hired Coach G--from Purdue-- who began really improving the program, but then they got lucky when Purdue fired their coach and half the team transferred.  Two (or three?) of them went to Duke and they became a top program almost overnight.  Since then the program has just fed off itself and the Duke name.
I beleive this is also the way State got Summer Erb--Rex would know.

FYI, last night Duke beat Shaw 138-32, with at least three starters out with injuries and not playing.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 3:32 PM

Re: WBB 2012-13: Pack picked 8th in ACC pre-season; Kastanek 



ibmotu wrote:
bigmike wrote: NC State has not been good in women's basketball for several years.

Even the  last some years of Kay Yow were lackluster.
Unfortunately, Kay's illness did seem to lead to a drop in recruiting right when Duke and MD were developing top ten programs.  Now its going to be hard for State to recruit at the level they need to in order to keep up in the ACC.  Hopefully, if only for Kastanek's sake, Kellie can get them back to the NCAA again before she graduates.
I guess it is remotely possible that some of the competing coaches told recruits "Don't go to State- the coach won't be there long".  Of course, all the competing coaches are so ethical, they probably wouldn't do that.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 3:35 PM

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We definitely need to improve on the consistency from last season. That would help in a lot of ways. As for sneaking up on people, we did that a couple of times last season. If we do more of it, that means we have improved. Added speed is good if it is in control and accompanied with good decision making. Barrett had decent speed last season but needs a lot of improvement too. We will have to see how the juco plays. She will be going up against some of the nation's best post players in the ACC. That can be a real education first time around. Marissa will not be able to do it all this season. When she tries, she presses, and the turnovers increase and the shooting diminishes. What we have is the talent level of a good mid major team or a lower level ACC team. I believe getting to the NCAA tournament would indicate overachievement.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 3:35 PM

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ibmotu wrote: 

but then they got lucky when Purdue fired their coach and half the team transferred.  Two (or three?) of them went to Duke and they became a top program almost overnight.  Since then the program has just fed off itself and the Duke name.
I beleive this is also the way State got Summer Erb--Rex would know.

Yes, Erb was a Purdue transfer. IIRC, almost the entire Purdue team transferred. It was Fowleresque.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 3:55 PM

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She better do well otherwise the piranhas on PackPride will have a field day...
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Posted: 10/31/2012 4:06 PM

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Engineer65 wrote:
ibmotu wrote:
bigmike wrote: NC State has not been good in women's basketball for several years.

Even the  last some years of Kay Yow were lackluster.
Unfortunately, Kay's illness did seem to lead to a drop in recruiting right when Duke and MD were developing top ten programs.  Now its going to be hard for State to recruit at the level they need to in order to keep up in the ACC.  Hopefully, if only for Kastanek's sake, Kellie can get them back to the NCAA again before she graduates.
I guess it is remotely possible that some of the competing coaches told recruits "Don't go to State- the coach won't be there long".  Of course, all the competing coaches are so ethical, they probably wouldn't do that.
I think that has been part of Harper's struggles in recruiting.

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Posted: 10/31/2012 4:22 PM

Re: WBB 2012-13: Pack picked 8th in ACC pre-season; Kastanek 



rexpack71 wrote:
Engineer65 wrote:
ibmotu wrote:
bigmike wrote: NC State has not been good in women's basketball for several years.

Even the  last some years of Kay Yow were lackluster.
Unfortunately, Kay's illness did seem to lead to a drop in recruiting right when Duke and MD were developing top ten programs.  Now its going to be hard for State to recruit at the level they need to in order to keep up in the ACC.  Hopefully, if only for Kastanek's sake, Kellie can get them back to the NCAA again before she graduates.
I guess it is remotely possible that some of the competing coaches told recruits "Don't go to State- the coach won't be there long".  Of course, all the competing coaches are so ethical, they probably wouldn't do that.
I think that has been part of Harper's struggles in recruiting.
If Harper is coaching in any major conference, she would be facing that kind of negative recruiting from other coaches. And if she is going to compete effectively for enough talent to give her a chance to be a top level program, then she needs to learn how to counter attack those tactics. The problem is that she simply is not a good recruiter. She certainly has the necessary desire to win and has some good coaching skills, but the lack of recruiting ability is hurting her. She needs an assistant who has excellent recruiting skills and enough connections to get the ball rolling. She does not have that now and unless it changes soon, it is going to be her downfall. I think this is where the AD needs to step in.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 6:08 PM

Re: WBB 2012-13: Exhibition v. N. Greenville Nov. 4 @ 6:30 



89Gradv2 wrote:
rexpack71 wrote: Adam Gold @ AGoldFan

Talking college football with @ WesDurham (4:30) and opening night in the NBA with @ bomani_jones (5:15) + @ KellieHarper (6:15) on NCSUWBB

Did anyone listen?
Kellie's interview

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Posted: 11/1/2012 8:13 AM

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Technician: Wolfpack adds formidable center to young squad
Markeisha Gatling might just be the ingredient N.C. State women’s basketball has been missing. 

At least Wolfpack coach Kellie Harper, who instantly made a recruiting trip to see the former Athens Drive High center right after getting the job in 2009, is hoping so.

The solidly-built 6-foot-5 junior transfer from Gulf Coast Community College is set to start in the middle when the Wolfpack opens Nov. 9 at noon against Wofford in the Wolfpack Invitational. And she will join a veteran lineup Harper hopes can get the Wolfpack its first NCAA tournament berth in three years.

Technician: Wolfpack ready for challenge

The N.C. State women’s basketball team hosted media day Wednesday afternoon in historic Reynolds Coliseum. Although the has been picked to finish eighth out of 12 teams in the ACC, hopes are high for the season as State is sending a clear message early on not to count them out.

“They look good, they feel good, they feel good about each other, about our team and what we can accomplish this year,” head coach Kellie Harper said. “All the vibes coming out of the women’s basketball program right now are very, very positive and we’re just looking forward to getting started.”

Despite the positive words from its leader, the team struggled with consistency last season and was frequently out of sync on the offensive end of the court. State finished in the bottom half of the ACC in almost every statistical category including field goal percentage, free throw percentage, scoring defense and 3-point field goal percentage defense.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 8:53 AM

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seniorwolf60 wrote:
rexpack71 wrote:
Engineer65 wrote:
ibmotu wrote:
bigmike wrote: NC State has not been good in women's basketball for several years.

Even the  last some years of Kay Yow were lackluster.
Unfortunately, Kay's illness did seem to lead to a drop in recruiting right when Duke and MD were developing top ten programs.  Now its going to be hard for State to recruit at the level they need to in order to keep up in the ACC.  Hopefully, if only for Kastanek's sake, Kellie can get them back to the NCAA again before she graduates.
I guess it is remotely possible that some of the competing coaches told recruits "Don't go to State- the coach won't be there long".  Of course, all the competing coaches are so ethical, they probably wouldn't do that.
I think that has been part of Harper's struggles in recruiting.
If Harper is coaching in any major conference, she would be facing that kind of negative recruiting from other coaches. And if she is going to compete effectively for enough talent to give her a chance to be a top level program, then she needs to learn how to counter attack those tactics. The problem is that she simply is not a good recruiter. She certainly has the necessary desire to win and has some good coaching skills, but the lack of recruiting ability is hurting her. She needs an assistant who has excellent recruiting skills and enough connections to get the ball rolling. She does not have that now and unless it changes soon, it is going to be her downfall. I think this is where the AD needs to step in.
and you have to wonder, why is that? In her college career, she competed @ the highest level of WCBB - it's not like she played @ Elon & major conference BB is all new to her.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 10:12 AM

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BlackRazor wrote:
seniorwolf60 wrote:
rexpack71 wrote:
Engineer65 wrote:
ibmotu wrote:
bigmike wrote: NC State has not been good in women's basketball for several years.

Even the  last some years of Kay Yow were lackluster.
Unfortunately, Kay's illness did seem to lead to a drop in recruiting right when Duke and MD were developing top ten programs.  Now its going to be hard for State to recruit at the level they need to in order to keep up in the ACC.  Hopefully, if only for Kastanek's sake, Kellie can get them back to the NCAA again before she graduates.
I guess it is remotely possible that some of the competing coaches told recruits "Don't go to State- the coach won't be there long".  Of course, all the competing coaches are so ethical, they probably wouldn't do that.
I think that has been part of Harper's struggles in recruiting.
If Harper is coaching in any major conference, she would be facing that kind of negative recruiting from other coaches. And if she is going to compete effectively for enough talent to give her a chance to be a top level program, then she needs to learn how to counter attack those tactics. The problem is that she simply is not a good recruiter. She certainly has the necessary desire to win and has some good coaching skills, but the lack of recruiting ability is hurting her. She needs an assistant who has excellent recruiting skills and enough connections to get the ball rolling. She does not have that now and unless it changes soon, it is going to be her downfall. I think this is where the AD needs to step in.
and you have to wonder, why is that? In her college career, she competed @ the highest level of WCBB - it's not like she played @ Elon & major conference BB is all new to her.
The answer may be as simple as "Tennessee recruited itself during her time."  Perhaps, that is one skill she did not pick up from that staff.  They simply no longer had to work very hard to get the best interested in Tennessee
Go Pack!!!!
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Posted: 11/1/2012 10:15 AM

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wolfest wrote: The answer may be as simple as "Tennessee recruited itself during her time."  Perhaps, that is one skill she did not pick up from that staff.  They simply no longer had to work very hard to get the best interested in Tennessee
yeah, maybe that's it - when she was there, the Vols didn't recruit - they just picked who they wanted.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 11:15 AM

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BlackRazor wrote:
wolfest wrote: The answer may be as simple as "Tennessee recruited itself during her time."  Perhaps, that is one skill she did not pick up from that staff.  They simply no longer had to work very hard to get the best interested in Tennessee
yeah, maybe that's it - when she was there, the Vols didn't recruit - they just picked who they wanted.
I agree.  I want her to be successful.  I hope she has a breakout year this year.
I'm starting to believe in NCSU athletics again.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 11:27 AM

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Confidence levels are high and junior forward Kody Burke is confident that the Pack will make its way back into the field of 64.

“We’ll definitely make the NCAA tournament,” Burke said. “I’m looking forward to that.”


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Posted: 11/1/2012 12:08 PM

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^ I hope so. I would like to see Harper succeed here.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 12:10 PM

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rexpack71 wrote: Confidence levels are high and junior forward Kody Burke is confident that the Pack will make its way back into the field of 64.

“We’ll definitely make the NCAA tournament,” Burke said. “I’m looking forward to that.”

Rex, correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I see it, that ain't happening unless the JUCO is really good and the transfer guard takes playing time away from Goodwin-Coleman.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 12:31 PM

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If the JUCO is really good and the rest of the team is more consistent they have a chance. DK enough to determine who is the better point guard. Kody is one of my favorite Wolfpack Women but that is a bold statement to make when you consider just how talented the rest of the ACC is. Reminded me of the Gavin Grant remark about only losing 4 games.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 1:29 PM

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Because recruiting has been brought up again, interesting read from Swish Appeal about recruiting in women's basketball: "How do basketball recruits make decisions?

A few excerpts:

In states where there is more than one program, head coaches know that they have to establish themselves as the top program. This was a goal of MaChelle Joseph at Georgia Tech, to play in-state schools and beat them. The Georgia-Georgia Tech game was a given because the schools are traditional rivals but Georgia Tech usually has a school like Kennesaw State (this year) or Mercer or Georgia State on the schedule. Joseph's goal is to make Georgia Tech the school of choice for any Georgia-born prospect.

The campus visit is one of the most important parts of a potential recruit's decision making. With the pressure on recruits to make their decisions earlier and earlier, many sign their letters of intent before an official visit but I suspect most wait until after the official visit. An official visit is an all-expenses paid (within reason) visit by a recruit to a school, a forty-eight hour period where she can see the campus, meet the team, talk to the coaches, and experience a glimpse of campus life, all in an attempt by a school to seal the deal.

According to Destache, the most important factors of a campus visit were (in descending order):
  • Interaction with coaching staff
  • One-on-one meeting with the head coach
  • Interaction with team members
  • Tour of football facilities
  • Tour of campus
  • Visiting facilities related to your major
  • Meeting with academic advisor
  • Meeting with faculty in your major
  • Meeting with strength coach
  • Experiencing the social life of the college
  • Viewing dormitories
One goal of a coach is to have a recruiting resource, a person or place one can go to in order to get quality players. Coaches do this in different ways. Some establish good relationships with high schools. Others have an alumni pipeline, where a player can be recommended by an influential alum who knows his or her stuff. Other schools have international pipelines - for some reason these coaches have a connection which allows them to convince foreign-born players to attend their schools. These players might have American parents who live overseas and those players might already have experience in European youth club basketball. Some, however, might be true foreign players with a limited English language background.

Some players get their pipelines in other ways. You might not know that Auburn head coach Terri Williams-Flournoy's brother is Boo Williams, a man who certainly knows his way around AAU girls basketball. If he doesn't provide players, I'm sure that brother and sister might have conversations about where to find good players.

Various AAU squads are also great pipelines - there are definitely AAU teams which are good year after year after year and if a coaches get along well with each other, who is to say what might happen? There are also AAU tournament showcase events that are must-see locations not only to evaluate talent, but to network.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 3:00 PM

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Redwolf2450 wrote:
BlackRazor wrote:
wolfest wrote: The answer may be as simple as "Tennessee recruited itself during her time."  Perhaps, that is one skill she did not pick up from that staff.  They simply no longer had to work very hard to get the best interested in Tennessee
yeah, maybe that's it - when she was there, the Vols didn't recruit - they just picked who they wanted.
I agree.  I want her to be successful.  I hope she has a breakout year this year.
Me too but I'm so happy about men's BB now, if they keep her it's fine either way. I hated losing to UNC in FB but since we now have a BB season to look forward to with the men, losing in FB to UNC doesn't carry the same sting for me it did during our dark ages in BB.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 3:40 PM

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Kaela Davis just committed to GT.  She was ranked 2nd in the country.  HUGE pick up for Machelle Joseph and the Jackets.  If Kellie could just get one like that!
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Posted: 11/1/2012 5:16 PM

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ibmotu wrote: Kaela Davis just committed to GT.  She was ranked 2nd in the country.  HUGE pick up for Machelle Joseph and the Jackets.  If Kellie could just get one like that!
Almost 30 percent of the top 100 who have already committed are headed to ACC schools. The top teams in the conference bring in several every year. Getting one every two or three years is not going to get a team to the NCAA tournament on a regular basis, no matter how good the coaching is.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 6:35 PM

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seniorwolf60 wrote:
ibmotu wrote: Kaela Davis just committed to GT.  She was ranked 2nd in the country.  HUGE pick up for Machelle Joseph and the Jackets.  If Kellie could just get one like that!
Almost 30 percent of the top 100 who have already committed are headed to ACC schools. The top teams in the conference bring in several every year. Getting one every two or three years is not going to get a team to the NCAA tournament on a regular basis, no matter how good the coaching is.
But it is how you start.  Duke signed a top ten player named Chidom this year because she had played with Rebecca Greenwell (who had just committed) and because she was a huge fan of Chelsea Gray (Duke PG) who is also from California like Chidom.  There is another top ten player named Cooper from California who is now expected to commit to Duke because of her connection to all the other girls.  Point is you start by getting one top player and the others will sometimes follow.  unc did the same thing this year--signed 5 top players in one day. These girls meet in the U17 or AAU tourneys and decide to commit to the same schools a lot of time.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 8:28 PM

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ibmotu wrote:
seniorwolf60 wrote:
ibmotu wrote: Kaela Davis just committed to GT.  She was ranked 2nd in the country.  HUGE pick up for Machelle Joseph and the Jackets.  If Kellie could just get one like that!
Almost 30 percent of the top 100 who have already committed are headed to ACC schools. The top teams in the conference bring in several every year. Getting one every two or three years is not going to get a team to the NCAA tournament on a regular basis, no matter how good the coaching is.
But it is how you start.  Duke signed a top ten player named Chidom this year because she had played with Rebecca Greenwell (who had just committed) and because she was a huge fan of Chelsea Gray (Duke PG) who is also from California like Chidom.  There is another top ten player named Cooper from California who is now expected to commit to Duke because of her connection to all the other girls.  Point is you start by getting one top player and the others will sometimes follow.  unc did the same thing this year--signed 5 top players in one day. These girls meet in the U17 or AAU tourneys and decide to commit to the same schools a lot of time.
On Kellie's recruiting, in 2010 MC-G was rated in the top 50, last year Krystal Barrett was rated about #75. But there has been nothing since. (I think Blue Star had Ashley Eli in the top 100 so maybe she was overlooked by the other services). Anyway, it takes more than an isolated start. It takes someone on the staff who can make the kind of connections to generate interest and belief in the program. We do not have that now and it is a big problem that needs to be fixed. One way to do it is to do what Clemson did - hire a top notch recruiter, pay the money, and start thinking a little bigger. Since when in history has Clemson had a more prominent WBB program than N C State? Maybe they will not be able to get the good results because of coaching deficiencies, but at least they have enough talent coming in to give them a chance.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 10:24 PM

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ibmotu wrote: Kaela Davis just committed to GT.  She was ranked 2nd in the country.  HUGE pick up for Machelle Joseph and the Jackets.  If Kellie could just get one like that!
Davis picked Ga Tech over Tennessee? Ridiculous! Doesn't she know elite players are only supposed to go to elite programs? At least that is what I heard from some UT fans. Good for Ga Tech! It would be nice if Kellie and staff could get a top recruit like her.

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