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Re: WBB 2012-13: (7-4) 12/20 @ Miami 7pm

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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:09 PM

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I think you're right. Not Yow's hire and not performing up to par. I have heard she and Avent are on a short leash.
Avent??? With the team he's got this year and after reaching a Super Regional last season?


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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:20 PM

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Sassy britches has got to be feeling the heat.  Can't be good for things at home either, with Mr. Sassy britches on the bench as well.

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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:23 PM

Re: WBB 2012-13: (7-5, 0-1) L @ Miami 53-79 


The winds of change are BLOWING pretty strong!!!
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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:24 PM

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If you are surprised by this you haven't been pay ing attention. Harper is in the death spiral now. Only budget issues would prevent a change after season, barring miraculous turnaround.


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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:27 PM

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What's Gail Goestenkors doing these days?   Just sayin'.....

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Posted: 12/20/2012 10:04 PM

Re: WBB 2012-13: (7-5, 0-1) L @ Miami 53-79 


I like her but she'll probably get the ole TOB treatment after this season. They still have time to turn things around, though.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 10:30 PM

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I still don't understand why Harper doesn't start Brown. 

The MD coach makes almost a million a year.

I thought Paige made a telling comment about the players accepting responsibility for their own shortcomings, not blaming coaches or other players. Have they been doing that?



What is going on in Clemson?

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Posted: 12/20/2012 10:56 PM

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rexpack71 wrote: I still don't understand why Harper doesn't start Brown. 

The MD coach makes almost a million a year.

I thought Paige made a telling comment about the players accepting responsibility for their own shortcomings, not blaming coaches or other players. Have they been doing that?



What is going on in Clemson?
Several things. First, they are the least experienced team in the ACC. They have no seniors and just two juniors. Most of the talent is freshmen and sophs. There seems to be a lack of leadership and the team has certainly not come together yet. Also, I am not sold on the coaching ability of their staff. They seem to have the opposite problem from what we have. Their's is more a lack of coaching with some good talent. Our's is a lack of talent with some better coaching.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:10 AM

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ChairCityWuf wrote: She said that Miami was able to take our misses and get down the court quickly and score. She also said we rushed a lot of our shots, and we did not play well on defense.

Rushing shots is one thing. Rushing difficult shots is another and that is what I have seen a lot of from this team over the years.

And 1 for 26??? That is terrible to put the best spin on it.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:18 AM

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seniorwolf60 wrote:
rexpack71 wrote: I still don't understand why Harper doesn't start Brown. 

The MD coach makes almost a million a year.

I thought Paige made a telling comment about the players accepting responsibility for their own shortcomings, not blaming coaches or other players. Have they been doing that?



What is going on in Clemson?
Several things. First, they are the least experienced team in the ACC. They have no seniors and just two juniors. Most of the talent is freshmen and sophs. There seems to be a lack of leadership and the team has certainly not come together yet. Also, I am not sold on the coaching ability of their staff. They seem to have the opposite problem from what we have. Their's is more a lack of coaching with some good talent. Our's is a lack of talent with some better coaching.

I think Brown should start, too. 

ACC WBB Digest addresses the Clemson situation in its weekly digest. Though they've had three players leave and are dressing seven players, they've won three of their past four. Duke's WBB board has a good discussion about the situation: team chemistry has improved since the departure of those players.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:30 AM

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MattNicholson wrote: What's Gail Goestenkors doing these days?   Just sayin'.....
This was discussed a few pages back. General idea was that she should be first person called if a coaching change is made, but State probably wouldn't be able to offer enough money and she probably wouldn't be interested in State anyway. Who knows.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:36 AM

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loneycafe wrote:
MattNicholson wrote: What's Gail Goestenkors doing these days?   Just sayin'.....
This was discussed a few pages back. General idea was that she should be first person called if a coaching change is made, but State probably wouldn't be able to offer enough money and she probably wouldn't be interested in State anyway. Who knows.
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the proper response  is " waiting to know how much you will pledge towards her salary" pirate

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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:40 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (7-5, 0-1) L @ Miami 53-79 


GoPack story: NC State Falls 79-53 at Miami in ACC opener

NC State suffered through a miserable shooting evening in a 79-53 ACC-opening setback at Miami on Thursday at BankUnited Center.

Junior forward Kody Burke led NC State (7-5, 0-1 ACC) with 13 points and eight rebounds, while junior Breezy Williams added 10 points in leading the reserves, who scored 34 points in the game. Len'Nique Brown and Ashley Eli added eight and seven points, respectively off the bench.

NC State steps out of conference for the final time of the regular season to play at St. Bonaventure on Sunday, Dec. 30 at 1 p.m.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:43 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (7-5, 0-1) L @ Miami 53-79 



wolfer79 wrote:
loneycafe wrote:
MattNicholson wrote: What's Gail Goestenkors doing these days?   Just sayin'.....
This was discussed a few pages back. General idea was that she should be first person called if a coaching change is made, but State probably wouldn't be able to offer enough money and she probably wouldn't be interested in State anyway. Who knows.
loneycafe
the proper response  is " waiting to know how much you will pledge towards her salary" pirate
Message received!
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:46 AM

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wolfer79 wrote:
loneycafe wrote:
MattNicholson wrote: What's Gail Goestenkors doing these days?   Just sayin'.....
This was discussed a few pages back. General idea was that she should be first person called if a coaching change is made, but State probably wouldn't be able to offer enough money and she probably wouldn't be interested in State anyway. Who knows.
loneycafe
the proper response  is " waiting to know how much you will pledge towards her salary" pirate
yeah, she might be safe because we can't afford a new/better coach. It's games like this that answer any question some might have of why this program doesn't get more fan support. You really have to be a State WBB fan to watch night after night of that mess she puts on the floor.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:49 AM

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loneycafe wrote:
MattNicholson wrote: What's Gail Goestenkors doing these days?   Just sayin'.....
This was discussed a few pages back. General idea was that she should be first person called if a coaching change is made, but State probably wouldn't be able to offer enough money and she probably wouldn't be interested in State anyway. Who knows.
My opinion of GG is due to her failure at Texas, her stock is down.   I don't think big-time programs are fighting for her services.  Thus, her price may not be as high as one would expect.  This is not to say she isn't a good coach. I just think Texas and GG wasn't a good match.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:52 AM

RE: WBB 2012-13: (7-5, 0-1) L @ Miami 53-79 



loneycafe wrote:
wolfer79 wrote:
loneycafe wrote:
MattNicholson wrote: What's Gail Goestenkors doing these days?   Just sayin'.....
This was discussed a few pages back. General idea was that she should be first person called if a coaching change is made, but State probably wouldn't be able to offer enough money and she probably wouldn't be interested in State anyway. Who knows.
loneycafe
the proper response  is " waiting to know how much you will pledge towards her salary" pirate
Message received!
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:04 AM

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Bryanth1a wrote:
loneycafe wrote:
MattNicholson wrote: What's Gail Goestenkors doing these days?   Just sayin'.....
This was discussed a few pages back. General idea was that she should be first person called if a coaching change is made, but State probably wouldn't be able to offer enough money and she probably wouldn't be interested in State anyway. Who knows.
My opinion of GG is due to her failure at Texas, her stock is down.   I don't think big-time programs are fighting for her services.  Thus, her price may not be as high as one would expect.  This is not to say she isn't a good coach. I just think Texas and GG wasn't a good match.
That's true. I also think if Yow makes a change after this season, State would be the best job open. The other jobs that may have been appealing were opened and filled in the last couple of years. I'm especially glad Michigan made their change last season.  

I also agree that Texas and the Big XII weren't good matches for her. She's better suited for the ACC and would know how to navigate the recruiting challenges/issues that has set Harper back. 

I wonder if she and Antonelli are still tight? That could help.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:10 AM

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For those who watched the game last night or previous games (this season), I have a question for you.

Has the team's downfall been more attributed to a lack of talent (recruiting), just poor coaching (X's/O's), or both?

"If you want the truth, ask me".

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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:27 AM

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Bryanth1a wrote: For those who watched the game last night or previous games (this season), I have a question for you.

Has the team's downfall been more attributed to a lack of talent (recruiting), just poor coaching (X's/O's), or both?
Some on here will disagree with me on this, but I actually have come to think it's both. She can set up good out-of-bounds and late-game situation plays, but areas for improvements would be in-game adjustments and decision-making, as well as player management. I also don't see any broader adjustments she had made to an offensive system that has been ineffective -- OK, horrendous -- the past two seasons. 

Another reason for the downfall has been team chemistry.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:37 AM

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Last night may have been the worst shooting performance from a group of starters in the history of the program (15%). These are supposed to be the more experienced, talented, and consistent players on the team. When this group fails to get the job done, there are few other options available. Last season we had poor performances against Richmond and Wake at home plus GT in the ACC tournament. With our level of talent, this kind of game is going to happen. We will play better at times, but this will not be the last of the poor performances. We do not have a team of raw talent that just needs to be developed and become more experienced. We simply do not have the talent. There is not much more coaching can do. Different schemes would only open up other weaknesses. Get used to the land of ACC bottom feeders.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:39 AM

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^^ I have wondered about the team chemistry

this is the part in the game story that concerns me

It was 65-27 with 12:47 to go when the Wolfpack bench played a majority of the final minutes, and outscored the Hurricanes by a 26-14 margin the rest of the way.

www.gopack.com/sports/w-baskbl.../122012aaa.html

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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:44 AM

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wolfer79 wrote: ^^ I have wondered about the team chemistry

this is the part in the game story that concerns me

It was 65-27 with 12:47 to go when the Wolfpack bench played a majority of the final minutes, and outscored the Hurricanes by a 26-14 margin the rest of the way.

www.gopack.com/sports/w-baskbl.../122012aaa.html

I don't think it's a secret that team chemistry was awful last season. Roots of it began during Harper's second season, it exploded last season, and issues continue now.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:59 AM

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loneycafe wrote:
seniorwolf60 wrote:
rexpack71 wrote: I still don't understand why Harper doesn't start Brown. 

The MD coach makes almost a million a year.

I thought Paige made a telling comment about the players accepting responsibility for their own shortcomings, not blaming coaches or other players. Have they been doing that?



What is going on in Clemson?
Several things. First, they are the least experienced team in the ACC. They have no seniors and just two juniors. Most of the talent is freshmen and sophs. There seems to be a lack of leadership and the team has certainly not come together yet. Also, I am not sold on the coaching ability of their staff. They seem to have the opposite problem from what we have. Their's is more a lack of coaching with some good talent. Our's is a lack of talent with some better coaching.

I think Brown should start, too. 

ACC WBB Digest addresses the Clemson situation in its weekly digest. Though they've had three players leave and are dressing seven players, they've won three of their past four. Duke's WBB board has a good discussion about the situation: team chemistry has improved since the departure of those players.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:01 AM

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loneycafe wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote: For those who watched the game last night or previous games (this season), I have a question for you.

Has the team's downfall been more attributed to a lack of talent (recruiting), just poor coaching (X's/O's), or both?
Some on here will disagree with me on this, but I actually have come to think it's both. She can set up good out-of-bounds and late-game situation plays, but areas for improvements would be in-game adjustments and decision-making, as well as player management. I also don't see any broader adjustments she had made to an offensive system that has been ineffective -- OK, horrendous -- the past two seasons. 

Another reason for the downfall has been team chemistry.
I agree with you.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:20 AM

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Can one of you enlighten me about the team chemistry situation? I tend to think of that as something dealing with attitude issues, much like what the men's team had during Lowe's second season. What it has looked like to me in the women's games is poor comunication on the court. That could be from a lack of teaching or learning, or there could be other underlying problems. If there are serious attitude problems, then we are in big trouble.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:36 AM

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I wish I could go back and listen to Paige's comments again. If I heard and understood her correctly, it sounds like the WBB program has got serious issues. Lack of trust in each other and/or the coaches.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:53 AM

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seniorwolf60 wrote: Last night may have been the worst shooting performance from a group of starters in the history of the program (15%). These are supposed to be the more experienced, talented, and consistent players on the team. When this group fails to get the job done, there are few other options available. Last season we had poor performances against Richmond and Wake at home plus GT in the ACC tournament. With our level of talent, this kind of game is going to happen. We will play better at times, but this will not be the last of the poor performances. We do not have a team of raw talent that just needs to be developed and become more experienced. We simply do not have the talent. There is not much more coaching can do. Different schemes would only open up other weaknesses. Get used to the land of ACC bottom feeders.
sounds like we have a solution then.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:55 AM

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If Paige is openly talking about serious issues, that's all we need to know. She was on the team last season when the issues were very serious, so she knows what she speaks of.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:57 AM

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rexpack71 wrote: I wish I could go back and listen to Paige's comments again. If I heard and understood her correctly, it sounds like the WBB program has got serious issues. Lack of trust in each other and/or the coaches.
appears the radio rebroadcast is on GoPack All Access for free

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