OBHF1 wrote:

PackCaddy wrote: You need to put this on TOB not ESPN.

Yep.  Was amazed at how TOB made Russell do this!  The gall!

How do you figure we'd be breaking in a new QB last year? Russell had been with the team 3 years and knew his teammates. He wouldn't have needed "breaking in." He memorized the Wisconsin playbook, got familiar with his team, and led them to the Rose Bowl with like...a month of preparation.

Anyways, to the topic...I've heard NC State mentioned plenty of times. I would imagine he'll slowly become a Wisconsin player the longer he stays in the league (if he does), and I'm not that phased. Doubt he would have got the exposure [that enabled him to be in the situation he is] at State that he did at Wisconsin. Hopefully Glennon will make it in the NFL.

DrummerboyWolf wrote: Just one other tidbit.  Say Russell is allowed to come back and then Glennon transfers.  

Last year we have a senior QB and have to break in somebody new this year, but what actually has happened is that we had to break in a new QB last year(yes he had been in the system but not a lot of game experience) and we will have to break in a new QB next year.

 So 2 out 3 years we are breaking in a new QB when it could have only been 1 out 3.  We might have been breaking in Brosius as a RS sophomore this year and then he's here for 3 seasons.  Oh well 

MikeQuick22 wrote:
Nice find 88. The irony is that RW might be the only reason that TOB has a job right now. How many games do we win without him? Had he come back to STATE, he would have broken everyone of PR's records.

KGTPack10 wrote:

How do you figure we'd be breaking in a new QB last year? Russell had been with the team 3 years and knew his teammates. He wouldn't have needed "breaking in." He memorized the Wisconsin playbook, got familiar with his team, and led them to the Rose Bowl with like...a month of preparation.

Anyways, to the topic...I've heard NC State mentioned plenty of times. I would imagine he'll slowly become a Wisconsin player the longer he stays in the league (if he does), and I'm not that phased. Doubt he would have got the exposure [that enabled him to be in the situation he is] at State that he did at Wisconsin. Hopefully Glennon will make it in the NFL.

DrummerboyWolf wrote: Just one other tidbit.  Say Russell is allowed to come back and then Glennon transfers.  

Last year we have a senior QB and have to break in somebody new this year, but what actually has happened is that we had to break in a new QB last year(yes he had been in the system but not a lot of game experience) and we will have to break in a new QB next year.

 So 2 out 3 years we are breaking in a new QB when it could have only been 1 out 3.  We might have been breaking in Brosius as a RS sophomore this year and then he's here for 3 seasons.  Oh well 

DrummerboyWolf wrote:
I think you need to re read my post there KGT.

KGTPack10 wrote: Oh my B...I got confused between the hypothetical and literal.

DrummerboyWolf wrote:
I think you need to re read my post there KGT.

PackFan4Life1990 wrote: Is anyone else sick of hearing ESPN talk about Wilson being from or out of Wisconsin? He didn't even graduate from Wisconsin, he graduated from State. It's pathetic ESPN can't even be properly informed about Wilson and give State our proper due for helping Wilson grow into the sensation he now is. This, combined with their apathetic coverage to the cheaters at UNC makes me wonder if ESPN doesn't have some bias and resentment toward State.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...ore-just-height

LochWolf wrote:

Jrb599 wrote: WILSON DID GRADUATE FROM WISCONSIN

The only person not properly informed is you

PackFan4Life1990 wrote: Is anyone else sick of hearing ESPN talk about Wilson being from or out of Wisconsin? He didn't even graduate from Wisconsin, he graduated from State. It's pathetic ESPN can't even be properly informed about Wilson and give State our proper due for helping Wilson grow into the sensation he now is. This, combined with their apathetic coverage to the cheaters at UNC makes me wonder if ESPN doesn't have some bias and resentment toward State.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...ore-just-height

He took graduate coursework at UW which enabled him to play under the NCAA rule but did he receive a graduate degree from UW?

ISEWolfpack2010 wrote:

wlfpck4life wrote:

Fact:

We threw away what could have been a really special season last year for that same chance this year because of the sole decision of the head coach.

How's that working out so far?


Luckily, it worked out REALLY well for RW.  Very happy for him.

As for the NC State program.. I don't think we have seen much payout from the gamble.  Last years team barely made a bowl game, this year's edition doesn't look like an ACC title contender.  A RW led team last year would have likely been a legit ACC title contender.

 

 

But it doesn't really matter now.

FACT: This is not fact.

Whitechapel wrote:

wlfpck4life wrote:

Fact:

We threw away what could have been a really special season last year for that same chance this year because of the sole decision of the head coach.

How's that working out so far?


  A RW led team last year would have likely been a legit ACC title contender.

 

 

Oh please.  Of all the old chestnuts that get vomited out when this debate stirs up, it's that little kidney stone of wisdom in bold that makes me wanna blow up a damn hospital.

Ain't no damn way our record would have been one bit better last year because QB play WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM!!!  If you still have ethical issues with TOB's decisions in that whole drama, or if you still feel some sense of loyalty to RW, that's all well and good.  Anyone is entitled to those opinions and frankly, I still feel loyalty to Russell myself.  He's one of the greatest representatives of our school that the football program has ever produced.

But stop with the nonsense.

Dammit!

wlfpck4life wrote:

Whitechapel wrote:

wlfpck4life wrote:

Fact:

We threw away what could have been a really special season last year for that same chance this year because of the sole decision of the head coach.

How's that working out so far?


  A RW led team last year would have likely been a legit ACC title contender.

 

 

Oh please.  Of all the old chestnuts that get vomited out when this debate stirs up, it's that little kidney stone of wisdom in bold that makes me wanna blow up a damn hospital.

Ain't no damn way our record would have been one bit better last year because QB play WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM!!!  If you still have ethical issues with TOB's decisions in that whole drama, or if you still feel some sense of loyalty to RW, that's all well and good.  Anyone is entitled to those opinions and frankly, I still feel loyalty to Russell myself.  He's one of the greatest representatives of our school that the football program has ever produced.

But stop with the nonsense.

Dammit!

I never said QB play was the problem last season.  But you are lying if you say that it was at the same standard that it was at when RW was here.  And that's not a knock on the current QB, the standard was that high.  Can you honestly say that having one of the best QBs to play at State, a current NFL starting QB, and one of the better leaders we've had during the TOB era at NC State under center wouldn't have made us a better team last season?

Again, it worked out well for RW, and I am glad it did.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how this has worked out for NC State in any regard.

The point Whitechapel is trying to convey is unless Russell Wilson was going to play and dominate as a DT, the QB could have been John Elway and the results would have similar.
 

Now, if you want to imply Russell would have laid his healing hands on J.R. Sweezy and the rest of the injured defensive players and that would have prevented them from missing any games then I believe you...the Pack would have definitely been better with Russell.

Bryanth1a wrote:

wlfpck4life wrote:

Whitechapel wrote:

wlfpck4life wrote:

Fact:

We threw away what could have been a really special season last year for that same chance this year because of the sole decision of the head coach.

How's that working out so far?


  A RW led team last year would have likely been a legit ACC title contender.

 

 

Oh please.  Of all the old chestnuts that get vomited out when this debate stirs up, it's that little kidney stone of wisdom in bold that makes me wanna blow up a damn hospital.

Ain't no damn way our record would have been one bit better last year because QB play WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM!!!  If you still have ethical issues with TOB's decisions in that whole drama, or if you still feel some sense of loyalty to RW, that's all well and good.  Anyone is entitled to those opinions and frankly, I still feel loyalty to Russell myself.  He's one of the greatest representatives of our school that the football program has ever produced.

But stop with the nonsense.

Dammit!

I never said QB play was the problem last season.  But you are lying if you say that it was at the same standard that it was at when RW was here.  And that's not a knock on the current QB, the standard was that high.  Can you honestly say that having one of the best QBs to play at State, a current NFL starting QB, and one of the better leaders we've had during the TOB era at NC State under center wouldn't have made us a better team last season?

Again, it worked out well for RW, and I am glad it did.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how this has worked out for NC State in any regard.

The point Whitechapel is trying to convey is unless Russell Wilson was going to play and dominate as a DT, the QB could have been John Elway and the results would have similar.
 

Now, if you want to imply Russell would have laid his healing hands on J.R. Sweezy and the rest of the injured defensive players and that would have prevented them from missing any games then I believe you...the Pack would have definitely been better with Russell.

wlfpck4life wrote:

Bryanth1a wrote:

wlfpck4life wrote:

Whitechapel wrote:

wlfpck4life wrote:

Fact:

We threw away what could have been a really special season last year for that same chance this year because of the sole decision of the head coach.

How's that working out so far?


  A RW led team last year would have likely been a legit ACC title contender.

 

 

Oh please.  Of all the old chestnuts that get vomited out when this debate stirs up, it's that little kidney stone of wisdom in bold that makes me wanna blow up a damn hospital.

Ain't no damn way our record would have been one bit better last year because QB play WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM!!!  If you still have ethical issues with TOB's decisions in that whole drama, or if you still feel some sense of loyalty to RW, that's all well and good.  Anyone is entitled to those opinions and frankly, I still feel loyalty to Russell myself.  He's one of the greatest representatives of our school that the football program has ever produced.

But stop with the nonsense.

Dammit!

I never said QB play was the problem last season.  But you are lying if you say that it was at the same standard that it was at when RW was here.  And that's not a knock on the current QB, the standard was that high.  Can you honestly say that having one of the best QBs to play at State, a current NFL starting QB, and one of the better leaders we've had during the TOB era at NC State under center wouldn't have made us a better team last season?

Again, it worked out well for RW, and I am glad it did.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how this has worked out for NC State in any regard.

The point Whitechapel is trying to convey is unless Russell Wilson was going to play and dominate as a DT, the QB could have been John Elway and the results would have similar.
 

Now, if you want to imply Russell would have laid his healing hands on J.R. Sweezy and the rest of the injured defensive players and that would have prevented them from missing any games then I believe you...the Pack would have definitely been better with Russell.

I understand that point, but I feel strongly that RW would have given us a chance at a few additional wins that would have put us in the ACC hunt.  If we weren't breaking in a new QB, perhaps we win at Wake?  Maybe RW scores more than 10 points at BC?  Everyone is entitled to their opinion however.  I guess we could have lost to some of the teams we beat last year with RW.

But its years past time to move on, so I am done now

wlfpck4life wrote:

Whitechapel wrote:

wlfpck4life wrote:

Fact:

We threw away what could have been a really special season last year for that same chance this year because of the sole decision of the head coach.

How's that working out so far?


  A RW led team last year would have likely been a legit ACC title contender.

 

 

Oh please.  Of all the old chestnuts that get vomited out when this debate stirs up, it's that little kidney stone of wisdom in bold that makes me wanna blow up a damn hospital.

Ain't no damn way our record would have been one bit better last year because QB play WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM!!!  If you still have ethical issues with TOB's decisions in that whole drama, or if you still feel some sense of loyalty to RW, that's all well and good.  Anyone is entitled to those opinions and frankly, I still feel loyalty to Russell myself.  He's one of the greatest representatives of our school that the football program has ever produced.

But stop with the nonsense.

Dammit!

I never said QB play was the problem last season.  But you are lying if you say that it was at the same standard that it was at when RW was here.  And that's not a knock on the current QB, the standard was that high.  Can you honestly say that having one of the best QBs to play at State, a current NFL starting QB, and one of the better leaders we've had during the TOB era at NC State under center wouldn't have made us a better team last season?

Again, it worked out well for RW, and I am glad it did.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how this has worked out for NC State in any regard.

Grock wrote: RW has on the Seahawks site he is from Wisconsin. He's the one who doesn't mention the Pack most of the time.

wlfpck4life wrote: 

I never said QB play was the problem last season.  But you are lying if you say that it was at the same standard that it was at when RW was here.  And that's not a knock on the current QB, the standard was that high.  Can you honestly say that having one of the best QBs to play at State, a current NFL starting QB, and one of the better leaders we've had during the TOB era at NC State under center wouldn't have made us a better team last season?

Again, it worked out well for RW, and I am glad it did.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how this has worked out for NC State in any regard.

OBHF1 wrote: "I don't see how this has worked out for NC State in any regard"

We'd be starting true freshman Manny Stocker this year instead of Mike Glennon.

Last year, with RW, we'd have definitely still lost to FSU, Cincy, WFU (remember no one from NC beats WFU there) and either GT or BC.  Might not have that wonderful comeback against UM.  So with RW, maybe +1 on the win side. 

Still wouldn't have played for ACC title and we'd be significantly hampered with inexperience at the most vital position on the team this season.  Instead we have an All-ACC caiber QB with experience leading us to what I believe will turn out to be a good season.

I'd say that has worked our pretty good for us.

wlfpck4life wrote:

Whitechapel wrote:

wlfpck4life wrote:

Fact:

We threw away what could have been a really special season last year for that same chance this year because of the sole decision of the head coach.

How's that working out so far?


  A RW led team last year would have likely been a legit ACC title contender.

 

 

Oh please.  Of all the old chestnuts that get vomited out when this debate stirs up, it's that little kidney stone of wisdom in bold that makes me wanna blow up a damn hospital.

Ain't no damn way our record would have been one bit better last year because QB play WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM!!!  If you still have ethical issues with TOB's decisions in that whole drama, or if you still feel some sense of loyalty to RW, that's all well and good.  Anyone is entitled to those opinions and frankly, I still feel loyalty to Russell myself.  He's one of the greatest representatives of our school that the football program has ever produced.

But stop with the nonsense.

Dammit!

I never said QB play was the problem last season.  But you are lying if you say that it was at the same standard that it was at when RW was here.  And that's not a knock on the current QB, the standard was that high.  Can you honestly say that having one of the best QBs to play at State, a current NFL starting QB, and one of the better leaders we've had during the TOB era at NC State under center wouldn't have made us a better team last season?

Again, it worked out well for RW, and I am glad it did.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how this has worked out for NC State in any regard.

DrummerboyWolf wrote:

wlfpck4life wrote: 

I never said QB play was the problem last season.  But you are lying if you say that it was at the same standard that it was at when RW was here.  And that's not a knock on the current QB, the standard was that high.  Can you honestly say that having one of the best QBs to play at State, a current NFL starting QB, and one of the better leaders we've had during the TOB era at NC State under center wouldn't have made us a better team last season?

Again, it worked out well for RW, and I am glad it did.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how this has worked out for NC State in any regard.

The dirty little secret is that the QB play was not great early in the year last season. Now granted Glennon did improve as the year went on and by no fault of his own, he wasn't and will never be as good as Russell Wilson.  Not a knock on him, but just how good Russell was.  Russell was a complete game changer and he would have made a world of difference in how we played last year, but some people just cannot admit that.

 Russell's actions and demeanor on and off the field, his special ability to bring everybody along with him, is something that cannot be taught.  His leadership was greatly missed and it showed with the division within the team early on last year.

I also see that many people say it worked out well for everybody.  Well it didn't work out well for me and many other fans who would have liked to have seen Russell's senior year up close and personal, wearing Wolfpack Red instead of watching him tear it up in Madison, Wisconsin wearing Badger Red.

PaQBaQa wrote:

Grock wrote: RW has on the Seahawks site he is from Wisconsin. He's the one who doesn't mention the Pack most of the time.

Well.  He did get the boot here in Raleigh.  Doesn't surprise me he doesn't mention us on their site.

By the way, how long is this thread going to go before it gets locked like every other RW thread lately?

asheson50yardline wrote: Who is playing second base for the Rockies single A team this season?

asheson50yardline wrote: Who is playing second base for the Rockies single A team this season?

PaQBaQa wrote:

Grock wrote: RW has on the Seahawks site he is from Wisconsin. He's the one who doesn't mention the Pack most of the time.

Well.  He did get the boot here in Raleigh.  Doesn't surprise me he doesn't mention us on their site.

By the way, how long is this thread going to go before it gets locked like every other RW thread lately?

RW is an oustanding young man in almost every respect,. He is a great QB and we were lucky to have him play for us. As good as he was we could not get over the hump as far as wins and losses.

MG is an oustanding young man in almost every respect,. He is a very good QB and we were lucky to have him play for us. As good as he is it remains to be seen if we can get over the hump as far as wins and losses.

As for all the rest of the RW/MG/TOB debate - I really don't care.

camvilpack wrote:

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--- PackFan4Life1990 wrote:

Is anyone else sick of hearing ESPN talk about Wilson being from or out of Wisconsin? He didn't even graduate from Wisconsin, he graduated from State. It's pathetic ESPN can't even be properly informed about Wilson and give State our proper due for helping Wilson grow into the sensation he now is. This, combined with their apathetic coverage to the cheaters at UNC makes me wonder if ESPN doesn't have some bias and resentment toward State.

espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...ore-just-height

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I'm more sick of a new ******* thread being started about this when it has been discussed ad nauseum a bajillion times on a gajillion other ******* Russell Wilson threads.

taylorwufpack wrote:

PaQBaQa wrote:

Grock wrote: RW has on the Seahawks site he is from Wisconsin. He's the one who doesn't mention the Pack most of the time.

Well.  He did get the boot here in Raleigh.  Doesn't surprise me he doesn't mention us on their site.

By the way, how long is this thread going to go before it gets locked like every other RW thread lately?

probably not long, since you're lying through your teeth in the guise of an opinion.

it's comments like yours that stir up every RW thread.   most folks just laugh at you, but you do stir up some folks.

PaQBaQa wrote:

taylorwufpack wrote:

PaQBaQa wrote:

Grock wrote: RW has on the Seahawks site he is from Wisconsin. He's the one who doesn't mention the Pack most of the time.

Well.  He did get the boot here in Raleigh.  Doesn't surprise me he doesn't mention us on their site.

By the way, how long is this thread going to go before it gets locked like every other RW thread lately?

probably not long, since you're lying through your teeth in the guise of an opinion.

it's comments like yours that stir up every RW thread.   most folks just laugh at you, but you do stir up some folks.

So you're saying he was welcome back as the starting quarterback for his senior year?  Good lord, let's not go through that debate again.  From my opinion, I call it the way I see it, so it is not a lie until the facts prove otherwise.  Moreover, I wouldn't lie, because you get a one way ticket to the devil for lying the same as cheating and stealing.
Lastly, I'm glad I at least give a laugh to a few fans, who like myself, do not laugh on game day at the MG impression of "Maddy Ice".

PaQBaQa wrote:

taylorwufpack wrote:

PaQBaQa wrote:

Grock wrote: RW has on the Seahawks site he is from Wisconsin. He's the one who doesn't mention the Pack most of the time.

Well.  He did get the boot here in Raleigh.  Doesn't surprise me he doesn't mention us on their site.

By the way, how long is this thread going to go before it gets locked like every other RW thread lately?

probably not long, since you're lying through your teeth in the guise of an opinion.

it's comments like yours that stir up every RW thread.   most folks just laugh at you, but you do stir up some folks.

So you're saying he was welcome back as the starting quarterback for his senior year?  Good lord, let's not go through that debate again.  From my opinion, I call it the way I see it, so it is not a lie until the facts prove otherwise.  Moreover, I wouldn't lie, because you get a one way ticket to the devil for lying the same as cheating and stealing.
Lastly, I'm glad I at least give a laugh to a few fans, who like myself, do not laugh on game day at the MG impression of "Maddy Ice".

MoonHowl wrote:

asheson50yardline wrote: Who is playing second base for the Rockies single A team this season?

The Asheville Tourists won the league championship this year.

TOB was correct; RW should have focused on the football.

wlfpck4life wrote: 

I never said QB play was the problem last season.  But you are lying if you say that it was at the same standard that it was at when RW was here.  And that's not a knock on the current QB, the standard was that high.  Can you honestly say that having one of the best QBs to play at State, a current NFL starting QB, and one of the better leaders we've had during the TOB era at NC State under center wouldn't have made usO a better team last season?

Again, it worked out well for RW, and I am glad it did.  Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how this has worked out for NC State in any regard.

Jrb599 wrote: Yes: http://secfac.wisc.edu/commenc...aduatePages.pdf

LochWolf wrote:

Jrb599 wrote: WILSON DID GRADUATE FROM WISCONSIN

The only person not properly informed is you

PackFan4Life1990 wrote: Is anyone else sick of hearing ESPN talk about Wilson being from or out of Wisconsin? He didn't even graduate from Wisconsin, he graduated from State. It's pathetic ESPN can't even be properly informed about Wilson and give State our proper due for helping Wilson grow into the sensation he now is. This, combined with their apathetic coverage to the cheaters at UNC makes me wonder if ESPN doesn't have some bias and resentment toward State.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...ore-just-height

He took graduate coursework at UW which enabled him to play under the NCAA rule but did he receive a graduate degree from UW?

1.  RW's RS Junior season he took MS classes.

2.  Completed Master's at UW.
3.  RW never left us, "we" left him !!! 

4.  Will go down as the dumbest coaching blunder in the history of NCSU,

     ACC, and perhaps NCAA history !!!
5.  RW is one of, if not the most mature, godly, humble, great athletes of

     character, integrity, and faith I have ever had the joy of knowing.

6.  He has forgiven TOB, and because of that, so must I !!! (But it ain't

     easy).

'81

packman1981 wrote: The way the RW situation sucked for everyone but Wisconsin !!!  Some facts:

1.  RW's RS Junior season he took MS classes.

2.  Completed Master's at UW.
3.  RW never left us, "we" left him !!! 

4.  Will go down as the dumbest coaching blunder in the history of NCSU,

     ACC, and perhaps NCAA history !!!
5.  RW is one of, if not the most mature, godly, humble, great athletes of

     character, integrity, and faith I have ever had the joy of knowing.

6.  He has forgiven TOB, and because of that, so must I !!! (But it ain't

     easy).

'81