Rivers fumbles again.  3rd one of the game.

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Rivers fumbles again.  3rd one of the game.

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SD o-line is utter ****.

It's going to be time for Hardy to get paid this offseason.

Gates just tied Lance Alworth's record from TD catches (81).

You gravitate to that which you secretly love most. You meet in life the exact reproduction of your own thoughts

Fumble # 4 for Rivers.   Oh well.  sigh.

You gravitate to that which you secretly love most. You meet in life the exact reproduction of your own thoughts

I can't recall a player that is as young as Rivers that has gone from elite status to marginal in such a short period of time. It's really a shame.

Well, according to some Cam did it in fewer than two seasons.  Of course, he's good again now and suddenly all of those folks have disappeared.

He just set the franchise record for most consecutive passes without an INT (153), and can claim the longest active streak in the NFL with that number, as well.

And the offensive line he is behind is stocked with career backups.

Bryanth1a wrote: I can't recall a player that is as young as Rivers that has gone from elite status to marginal in such a short period of time. It's really a shame.

JohnD93 wrote:

Well, according to some Cam did it in fewer than two seasons.  Of course, he's good again now and suddenly all of those folks have disappeared.

He just set the franchise record for most consecutive passes without an INT (153), and can claim the longest active streak in the NFL with that number, as well.

And the offensive line he is behind is stocked with career backups.

Bryanth1a wrote: I can't recall a player that is as young as Rivers that has gone from elite status to marginal in such a short period of time. It's really a shame.

Yeah, but he dances too much.

Just imagine if he didn't wear that towel on his head.  He'd probably have 200 consecutive already.

LetsGoState wrote:

JohnD93 wrote:

Well, according to some Cam did it in fewer than two seasons.  Of course, he's good again now and suddenly all of those folks have disappeared.

He just set the franchise record for most consecutive passes without an INT (153), and can claim the longest active streak in the NFL with that number, as well.

And the offensive line he is behind is stocked with career backups.

Bryanth1a wrote: I can't recall a player that is as young as Rivers that has gone from elite status to marginal in such a short period of time. It's really a shame.

Yeah, but he dances too much.

Football Jesus has 47 turnovers in less than two seasons.

Where are all the Panther haters now. I guess they are recovering from their injuries from jumping off River's bandwagon.

He really has gone into the toilet.  I think it may take a change of scenery to get his head right.

LaLaGrace wrote: Football Jesus has 47 turnovers in less than two seasons.

TOO LITTLE TOO LATE for Carolina, Just goes to show what could have been if a few head scratching losses earlier in the season had not occurred.

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Where are all the Panther haters now. I guess they are recovering from their injuries from jumping off River's bandwagon.

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LOL

Rivers looks washed up and playing like he can not shake the Maryland games of the past

Are people seriously getting on the Panthers bandwagon at this point? We're not a good team and we didn't all of a sudden just get good at the end. We beat a TERRIBLE Chargers team that just won 2 of their last 9 games. We caught Atlanta sleeping in a rivalry game and everyone is barking how overrated they are. We lost to a pathetically bad KC team, no excuses for an "emotional win", that just got spanked by the horrible Raiders.

Winning is doing 2 things. Helping Rivera save his job, and costing us a better draft pick. The Panthers do this all too often. Eliminate ourselves from the playoff picture after bad starts, then win just enough games on the back-end of the schedule when teams don't care anymore and miss out on higher draft picks.

I'm glad Cam is getting his confidence back, but Ron Rivera better not save his job with this crap. Rivera is 1-12 all time in games decided by 1 possession or less, and in this league and the way the Panthers play, that just won't cut it.

Atlanta just routed the Giants yesterday. They're still a pretty darn good team.

Panthers are playing well, but it's not like they were terrible earlier in the year. Lost plenty of close games. I'd rather see them win and Cam get some confidence than lose out and get a slightly better draft pick (to which we don't even have a GM yet).

Like I said.....Cam is not the problem. I don't care if he puts a towel over his whole body, does Superman and Spider-Man dances. The fella can flat out play football and glad he's the QB of the Panthers. Now, let's see if he can save RR and Chuds jobs-hope not.

smitt86 wrote: Are people seriously getting on the Panthers bandwagon at this point? We're not a good team and we didn't all of a sudden just get good at the end. We beat a TERRIBLE Chargers team that just won 2 of their last 9 games. We caught Atlanta sleeping in a rivalry game and everyone is barking how overrated they are. We lost to a pathetically bad KC team, no excuses for an "emotional win", that just got spanked by the horrible Raiders.

Winning is doing 2 things. Helping Rivera save his job, and costing us a better draft pick. The Panthers do this all too often. Eliminate ourselves from the playoff picture after bad starts, then win just enough games on the back-end of the schedule when teams don't care anymore and miss out on higher draft picks.

I'm glad Cam is getting his confidence back, but Ron Rivera better not save his job with this crap. Rivera is 1-12 all time in games decided by 1 possession or less, and in this league and the way the Panthers play, that just won't cut it.

Dude, relax and enjoy life a little bit. The Panthers have won 3 out of 4 games and are trying to get some momentum going into next year. It's all good.

"Cam is not the problem." I would say that a lot of our early struggles were largely on Cam's shoulders. The reason we're making this little run is largely due to the fact that Cam isn't turning the ball over anymore. All those close games we lost earlier in the year, take away some of those turnovers and we might have won a couple of them. He isn't the only problem, but he wasn't helping early in the season, but glad he's turned it around and started protecting the ball.

And I don't think the momentum really carries over like that. I like that our young guys are getting some experience, I just hate that we keep winning, basically, useless games at the end of the year costing us 4-5 spots in the draft. This draft it might not matter since it's the weakest draft in years. I also don't want another year with Rivera as the coach just because we win a few meaningless games down the stretch.

These last few games prove that Cam was the problem earlier in the season, but maybe he has moved past those struggles and is ready to get us to the Playoffs next year. When Cam plays smart and aggressive like he has the last two weeks, the Panthers are a decent team. Lets hope a new GM can rebuild the offensive line and secondary through the draft and free agency.

^ No, it proves that some of you have no clue and just want to blame Cam.  Is/was he a problem.  Sure.  Is he THE problem.  Not even close.

For example:

Week 4 - Sure Cam fumbles to negate a 1st down but that's not the reason the game was lost.  I mean NFL players don't fumble do they?  See Philip Rivers.  The Carolina D gives up 77 yards in 54 seconds to allow game winning FG.  Dang it Cam, you should have been playing D.  Cam's fault!!

Week 8 - Cam threw a pick 6 when SS slipped coming out of his break.  Even though it was a timing play, Cam should have known SS would slip down there!!  Cam's fault!  Wait, Cam then drove his team down for the go-ahead FG.  However, Ron Rivera called the same defensive plays to allow Chicago to drive down and kick the game winning FG.  Dang it Cam, you should have been calling plays for RR right there!  Cam's fault!

Week 11 - Panther D allows 11 points in last 3 minutes then a TD drive in OT.  Cam sets his team up for the W by outplaying Freeman by throwing for 252 yards and a TD while Freeman throws 2 picks.  Dang it Cam, start calling plays and playing D.  Cam's fault again!

Week 13 - Cam throws for 232 yards and 3 TD's and rushes for 78 more.  However, Panther D gets run all over and Brady 'freakin' Quinn looks like Peyton Manning on our D and we lose.  C'mon Cam, D up!!

Yep, you Cam haters sure know your stuff.  Blame it all on him.  If he had played some D, coached better, tackled better, etc. the Panthers would be 9-5 right now heading for the playoff!  But, as some of you arm-chair QB's say, its all Cam's fault!!

The Panthers have been in it till the end with most every team they've played.  The dissappearance of their running game at the beginning of the year (with half our salary cap tied up in it) is what cost us playoff hopes this year.  There is plenty of hope for the future on this team.  We need solid draft picks at D-line and WR this year and we will threaten next year.

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wolfmac wrote: ^ No, it proves that some of you have no clue and just want to blame Cam.  Is/was he a problem.  Sure.  Is he THE problem.  Not even close.

For example:

Week 4 - Sure Cam fumbles to negate a 1st down but that's not the reason the game was lost.  I mean NFL players don't fumble do they?  See Philip Rivers.  The Carolina D gives up 77 yards in 54 seconds to allow game winning FG.  Dang it Cam, you should have been playing D.  Cam's fault!!

Week 8 - Cam threw a pick 6 when SS slipped coming out of his break.  Even though it was a timing play, Cam should have known SS would slip down there!!  Cam's fault!  Wait, Cam then drove his team down for the go-ahead FG.  However, Ron Rivera called the same defensive plays to allow Chicago to drive down and kick the game winning FG.  Dang it Cam, you should have been calling plays for RR right there!  Cam's fault!

Week 11 - Panther D allows 11 points in last 3 minutes then a TD drive in OT.  Cam sets his team up for the W by outplaying Freeman by throwing for 252 yards and a TD while Freeman throws 2 picks.  Dang it Cam, start calling plays and playing D.  Cam's fault again!

Week 13 - Cam throws for 232 yards and 3 TD's and rushes for 78 more.  However, Panther D gets run all over and Brady 'freakin' Quinn looks like Peyton Manning on our D and we lose.  C'mon Cam, D up!!

Yep, you Cam haters sure know your stuff.  Blame it all on him.  If he had played some D, coached better, tackled better, etc. the Panthers would be 9-5 right now heading for the playoff!  But, as some of you arm-chair QB's say, its all Cam's fault!! 'morons'

So I'll play along and just look at the games you focused on.  Think you're being selective in your memory.

Week 4 - Cam had 2 fumbles that game and the reason the D was put in position to defend for those 0:54 was because Cam couldn't get 1 first down when we needed him to.  Get the 1st down and we win the game.  Was Cam the only reason we lost?  No.  Was he part of the reason?  Yes.

Week 8 - This is one of your examples?  Well ok.  One of Cam's worst games statistically.  Our offense failed several times near or in the redzone and settled for a ton of <35 yard FGs.  Cam scored NO TDs in the entire game and turned it over FOUR times, and yes 1 was a pick 6.  Yeah, 4 turnovers putting our D in bad positions, shame on you D or giving up points!  Was Cam the only reason we lost?  No.  Was he part of the reason?  Obviously.

Week 11 - This wasn't a bad game statistically for Cam, but he got out-played, statistically, by Josh Freeman(2 int's aside, dude had 3 TDs to Cam's 1).  Cam had 1 TD and no turnovers for the entire game.  Those are Matt Moore type numbers against one of the worst secondaries in the league(see what Drew Brees did to them this season).  But back on the point of this game.  Our offense managed 4 first-downs in the ENTIRE 2nd half.  That's NOT good, and he has to take some of the blame for that since he's the QB.  So once again, was Cam the only reason we lost the game?  No.  Is he part of the reason we lost?  Yes.

Week 13 - I'll give you this one, we should have won that game but our D came out flat in one of the hardest stadiums to play in on a very emotional day for that team/franchise/fan base.  But this is during the phase that we're all claiming that Cam started protecting the ball and playing better and our team in-turned started looking better.

So moral of the story, and basically "our" entire point-of-view, is that Cam was part of the problem when we were losing earlier in the season.  Now that he's playing better, we look better as a whole.  The D isn't having to play on short-fields and has more rest in between drives as he manages first downs.  Our offense works better because we're getting more first downs and not turning the ball over.  Cam is the key piece to driving our offense, so when he plays bad, we play bad, it's that simple.  Hopefully we'll surround him with more talent in the NEAR future.

smitt86 wrote:

wolfmac wrote: ^ No, it proves that some of you have no clue and just want to blame Cam.  Is/was he a problem.  Sure.  Is he THE problem.  Not even close.

For example:

Week 4 - Sure Cam fumbles to negate a 1st down but that's not the reason the game was lost.  I mean NFL players don't fumble do they?  See Philip Rivers.  The Carolina D gives up 77 yards in 54 seconds to allow game winning FG.  Dang it Cam, you should have been playing D.  Cam's fault!!

Week 8 - Cam threw a pick 6 when SS slipped coming out of his break.  Even though it was a timing play, Cam should have known SS would slip down there!!  Cam's fault!  Wait, Cam then drove his team down for the go-ahead FG.  However, Ron Rivera called the same defensive plays to allow Chicago to drive down and kick the game winning FG.  Dang it Cam, you should have been calling plays for RR right there!  Cam's fault!

Week 11 - Panther D allows 11 points in last 3 minutes then a TD drive in OT.  Cam sets his team up for the W by outplaying Freeman by throwing for 252 yards and a TD while Freeman throws 2 picks.  Dang it Cam, start calling plays and playing D.  Cam's fault again!

Week 13 - Cam throws for 232 yards and 3 TD's and rushes for 78 more.  However, Panther D gets run all over and Brady 'freakin' Quinn looks like Peyton Manning on our D and we lose.  C'mon Cam, D up!!

Yep, you Cam haters sure know your stuff.  Blame it all on him.  If he had played some D, coached better, tackled better, etc. the Panthers would be 9-5 right now heading for the playoff!  But, as some of you arm-chair QB's say, its all Cam's fault!! 'morons'

So I'll play along and just look at the games you focused on.  Think you're being selective in your memory.

Week 4 - Cam had 2 fumbles that game and the reason the D was put in position to defend for those 0:54 was because Cam couldn't get 1 first down when we needed him to.  Get the 1st down and we win the game.  Was Cam the only reason we lost?  No.  Was he part of the reason?  Yes.

Week 8 - This is one of your examples?  Well ok.  One of Cam's worst games statistically.  Our offense failed several times near or in the redzone and settled for a ton of <35 yard FGs.  Cam scored NO TDs in the entire game and turned it over FOUR times, and yes 1 was a pick 6.  Yeah, 4 turnovers putting our D in bad positions, shame on you D or giving up points!  Was Cam the only reason we lost?  No.  Was he part of the reason?  Obviously.

Week 11 - This wasn't a bad game statistically for Cam, but he got out-played, statistically, by Josh Freeman(2 int's aside, dude had 3 TDs to Cam's 1).  Cam had 1 TD and no turnovers for the entire game.  Those are Matt Moore type numbers against one of the worst secondaries in the league(see what Drew Brees did to them this season).  But back on the point of this game.  Our offense managed 4 first-downs in the ENTIRE 2nd half.  That's NOT good, and he has to take some of the blame for that since he's the QB.  So once again, was Cam the only reason we lost the game?  No.  Is he part of the reason we lost?  Yes.

Week 13 - I'll give you this one, we should have won that game but our D came out flat in one of the hardest stadiums to play in on a very emotional day for that team/franchise/fan base.  But this is during the phase that we're all claiming that Cam started protecting the ball and playing better and our team in-turned started looking better.

So moral of the story, and basically "our" entire point-of-view, is that Cam was part of the problem when we were losing earlier in the season.  Now that he's playing better, we look better as a whole.  The D isn't having to play on short-fields and has more rest in between drives as he manages first downs.  Our offense works better because we're getting more first downs and not turning the ball over.  Cam is the key piece to driving our offense, so when he plays bad, we play bad, it's that simple.  Hopefully we'll surround him with more talent in the NEAR future.

Dunlow66 didn't say that Cam was "part of" the problem earlier in the year.  He said that Cam was THE problem.  Which is a stupid statement to make, and Wolfmac did a great job of pointing out why.

chargerbomb wrote:

smitt86 wrote:

wolfmac wrote: ^ No, it proves that some of you have no clue and just want to blame Cam.  Is/was he a problem.  Sure.  Is he THE problem.  Not even close.

For example:

Week 4 - Sure Cam fumbles to negate a 1st down but that's not the reason the game was lost.  I mean NFL players don't fumble do they?  See Philip Rivers.  The Carolina D gives up 77 yards in 54 seconds to allow game winning FG.  Dang it Cam, you should have been playing D.  Cam's fault!!

Week 8 - Cam threw a pick 6 when SS slipped coming out of his break.  Even though it was a timing play, Cam should have known SS would slip down there!!  Cam's fault!  Wait, Cam then drove his team down for the go-ahead FG.  However, Ron Rivera called the same defensive plays to allow Chicago to drive down and kick the game winning FG.  Dang it Cam, you should have been calling plays for RR right there!  Cam's fault!

Week 11 - Panther D allows 11 points in last 3 minutes then a TD drive in OT.  Cam sets his team up for the W by outplaying Freeman by throwing for 252 yards and a TD while Freeman throws 2 picks.  Dang it Cam, start calling plays and playing D.  Cam's fault again!

Week 13 - Cam throws for 232 yards and 3 TD's and rushes for 78 more.  However, Panther D gets run all over and Brady 'freakin' Quinn looks like Peyton Manning on our D and we lose.  C'mon Cam, D up!!

Yep, you Cam haters sure know your stuff.  Blame it all on him.  If he had played some D, coached better, tackled better, etc. the Panthers would be 9-5 right now heading for the playoff!  But, as some of you arm-chair QB's say, its all Cam's fault!! 'morons'

So I'll play along and just look at the games you focused on.  Think you're being selective in your memory.

Week 4 - Cam had 2 fumbles that game and the reason the D was put in position to defend for those 0:54 was because Cam couldn't get 1 first down when we needed him to.  Get the 1st down and we win the game.  Was Cam the only reason we lost?  No.  Was he part of the reason?  Yes.

Week 8 - This is one of your examples?  Well ok.  One of Cam's worst games statistically.  Our offense failed several times near or in the redzone and settled for a ton of <35 yard FGs.  Cam scored NO TDs in the entire game and turned it over FOUR times, and yes 1 was a pick 6.  Yeah, 4 turnovers putting our D in bad positions, shame on you D or giving up points!  Was Cam the only reason we lost?  No.  Was he part of the reason?  Obviously.

Week 11 - This wasn't a bad game statistically for Cam, but he got out-played, statistically, by Josh Freeman(2 int's aside, dude had 3 TDs to Cam's 1).  Cam had 1 TD and no turnovers for the entire game.  Those are Matt Moore type numbers against one of the worst secondaries in the league(see what Drew Brees did to them this season).  But back on the point of this game.  Our offense managed 4 first-downs in the ENTIRE 2nd half.  That's NOT good, and he has to take some of the blame for that since he's the QB.  So once again, was Cam the only reason we lost the game?  No.  Is he part of the reason we lost?  Yes.

Week 13 - I'll give you this one, we should have won that game but our D came out flat in one of the hardest stadiums to play in on a very emotional day for that team/franchise/fan base.  But this is during the phase that we're all claiming that Cam started protecting the ball and playing better and our team in-turned started looking better.

So moral of the story, and basically "our" entire point-of-view, is that Cam was part of the problem when we were losing earlier in the season.  Now that he's playing better, we look better as a whole.  The D isn't having to play on short-fields and has more rest in between drives as he manages first downs.  Our offense works better because we're getting more first downs and not turning the ball over.  Cam is the key piece to driving our offense, so when he plays bad, we play bad, it's that simple.  Hopefully we'll surround him with more talent in the NEAR future.

Dunlow66 didn't say that Cam was "part of" the problem earlier in the year.  He said that Cam was THE problem.  Which is a stupid statement to make, and Wolfmac did a great job of pointing out why.

And his play over three of the last four games has proven my point, When he plays smart, aggressive football and doesnt make bad decisions and poor throws, Carolina looks like a playoff team. When he gets down on himself and has trouble reading coverages, we look like a bottom five team. QB is the most relevant position in all of team sports, so when your QB struggles, he is the problem. If you think I am a Cam hater, you are incorrect. If you think I WANT to blame him, you are incorrect. I loved the kid in college and was thrilled with his play last season, but I also have seen too many bad decisions and awful throws this year. He can be great, will he be? I sure hope so.

Edit: I wont call post other people make 'Stupid' , but are you sure all of your post are all that intelligent CB?

JaviCerveza wrote: this was an open letter from a group of local businessmen to owner Jerry Richardson


Letter to Richardson


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yikes

^^   You've made my point.  He is/was a problem but he's certainly not THE problem.  BTW, genious, our offense is better because we are finally committed to running the ball.  It's hard to play QB when all the opposing defense has to do is key on the QB because they don't have to worry about a running game.

Week 4 - Sure, Cam fumbled.  But would we blame the game on D. Williams or J. Stewart had they fumbled in that sutuation?  NO.  Still, you talk about the D having to defens short fields.  They gave up 77 yards in 54 seconds!!  If we couldn't stop them in that situation, we didn't deserve to win.

Week 8 - One of Cam's worst statistical games, yet drove us down for the go-ahead FG.  Do you think all those FG's we kicked could have been the result of not being able to run the damn ball?  Yet the D and coaches go all vanilla on us and allow Chicago to throw the same pass all the way down the field to beat us.  Point is, we had a lead late in the game and the D couldn't hold it.

Week 11 - Get on Cam for his TO's but excuse Freeman's.  Riiighht?   Even if you call it a draw, we had an 11 point lead late in the game and the D gives up two late scores and an OT TD.  Those were ALL long drives by TB.  No "short fields".  Be coundn't hold the lead b/c we couldn't run the ball!!

Week 13 - Excuse the D for a piss-poor showing but blast Cam even when he puts us in position to win...yet again and the D blow it.

Don't sarcastically call some a genius and then misspell the word. The insult loses it bite.

Does Carolina have a bad secondary ? Yes
Does Carolina have a weak offensive line ? Yes
Does Carolina have poor offensive play calling at times ? Yes

Did we blow out Atlanta and San Diego with all these weaknesses ? Yes
The difference maker is Cam Newton, he has been "a problem" and he can and hopefully will be the "Solution".

JaviCerveza wrote: this was an open letter from a group of local businessmen to owner Jerry Richardson


Letter to Richardson


was published on back page of today's sports section in the observer

my old eyes have problems with the small print

did they tell Richardson to improve the team or else?

dunlow66 wrote: Don't sarcastically call some a genius and then misspell the word. The insult loses it bite.

Does Carolina have a bad secondary ? Yes
Does Carolina have a weak offensive line ? Yes
Does Carolina have poor offensive play calling at times ? Yes

Did we blow out Atlanta and San Diego with all these weaknesses ? Yes
The difference maker is Cam Newton, he has been "a problem" and he can and hopefully will be the "Solution".

There you go.  I agree.

Sorry for misspellings Webster.  Don't have spell check and too lazy to look it over.  Sue me.

wolfmac wrote:

dunlow66 wrote: Don't sarcastically call some a genius and then misspell the word. The insult loses it bite.

Does Carolina have a bad secondary ? Yes
Does Carolina have a weak offensive line ? Yes
Does Carolina have poor offensive play calling at times ? Yes

Did we blow out Atlanta and San Diego with all these weaknesses ? Yes
The difference maker is Cam Newton, he has been "a problem" and he can and hopefully will be the "Solution".

There you go.  I agree.

Sorry for misspellings Webster.  Don't have spell check and too lazy to look it over.  Sue me.

O, I was just kidding, I am the worst speller in the world.

Raiders 3
Panthers 7
17 seconds before halftime

now 14-3 Panthers
halftime

Looks like Kuechley got PISSED about that 15 yard leading-with-the-helmet penalty. He was a one-man wrecking crew after that...

seen Leinart is playing for the Raiers on the ticker. guessing Palmer got hurt?

Nice crowd shot with a guy sporting tarhole sweatshirt.

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AttilatheHoo wrote: seen Leinart is playing for the Raiers on the ticker. guessing Palmer got hurt?

Ribs.