panthers suck...

let em go to LA!

Rivera is most likely done. Bring in Cowher.  The Panthers could use Cotchery too.

You gravitate to that which you secretly love most. You meet in life the exact reproduction of your own thoughts

copper2945 wrote: IMHO, Cam peaked and is done as a legit NFL QB. It took NFL DCs one year of film to figure him out. Spy him with a LB, pressure him, and let him either throw ints or incompletions. Cam does not see the field well, he only sees Steve Smith well.

He's peaked half way through his second season?  O-KAYYYYYYY

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--- LetsGoState wrote:

copper2945 wrote: IMHO, Cam peaked and is done as a legit NFL QB. It took NFL DCs one year of film to figure him out. Spy him with a LB, pressure him, and let him either throw ints or incompletions. Cam does not see the field well, he only sees Steve Smith well.

He's peaked half way through his second season?  O-KAYYYYYYY

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He peaked last year.

They need to trade for Santana Moss so they can have a nice midget bookend for Steve Smith.

Panthers just suck, who would pay good money to see them play?

NCSU1949 wrote: Panthers just suck, who would pay good money to see them play?

About 60,000 people every Sunday, apparently.

Broncos 36
Panthers 14

copper2945 wrote:

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--- LetsGoState wrote:

copper2945 wrote: IMHO, Cam peaked and is done as a legit NFL QB. It took NFL DCs one year of film to figure him out. Spy him with a LB, pressure him, and let him either throw ints or incompletions. Cam does not see the field well, he only sees Steve Smith well.

He's peaked half way through his second season?  O-KAYYYYYYY

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He peaked last year.

Nobody, and I mean nobody gets more excuses made for him than Cam Newton. 

I think what Newton did last year was largely the result of smoke and mirrors, but it don't take NFL defensive coordinators long to figure that stuff out. On the other sideline, NFL DC's have been trying to solve Peyton Manning for over a decade, with very little success. That's because you can do everything right against him and he'll still get the ball out quicker than you can get to him, and put it in the one place where his guy can get it and the defender can't. There is no gameplan against that.

And yes, it is fair to compare him to Manning because Newton was drafted first overall, same as Manning 14 years ago. If Newton does not become a franchise QB and lead the team for the next 15 years, he is a bust. He can't just eventually become a middle of the road quarterback some day, you don't pick guys like that first in the draft.  

The fact is, Newton is not a good NFL quarterback. Whether he can become one is highly debatable, but he seems to be getting worse, not better. He doesn't throw the ball accurately, he doesn't read defenses very well, and he isn't a leader. That is the trifecta of attributes a franchise NFL quarterback must have, and so far he's 0 for 3.

LetsGoState wrote:

NCSU1949 wrote: Panthers just suck, who would pay good money to see them play?

About 60,000 people every Sunday, apparently.

NC State had 52,000+ yesterday

some people have more money than they have brains

wolfer79 wrote:

LetsGoState wrote:

NCSU1949 wrote: Panthers just suck, who would pay good money to see them play?

About 60,000 people every Sunday, apparently.

NC State had 52,000+ yesterday

some people have more money than they have brains

I guess smart people only support their team when things are going well.

LetsGoState wrote:

wolfer79 wrote:

LetsGoState wrote:

NCSU1949 wrote: Panthers just suck, who would pay good money to see them play?

About 60,000 people every Sunday, apparently.

NC State had 52,000+ yesterday

some people have more money than they have brains

I guess smart people only support their team when things are going well.

i think the expression goes "a fool and his money are soon parted"

Best comparison for Newton as a success is the Colts rookie QB Luck.
The Panthers would have scooped up Luck in a heartbeat if he had entered the draft last season. Luck just seems to have a knack for winning, because the Colts roster is not a lot stronger than the Carolina roster is. At this point, Luck appears to be the next great young QB with RG3 as the runner up. Only time will tell, but in who would you rather have on your roster for the next 3 season?

1321wolf wrote:

copper2945 wrote:

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--- LetsGoState wrote:

copper2945 wrote: IMHO, Cam peaked and is done as a legit NFL QB. It took NFL DCs one year of film to figure him out. Spy him with a LB, pressure him, and let him either throw ints or incompletions. Cam does not see the field well, he only sees Steve Smith well.

He's peaked half way through his second season?  O-KAYYYYYYY

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He peaked last year.

Nobody, and I mean nobody gets more excuses made for him than Cam Newton. 

I think what Newton did last year was largely the result of smoke and mirrors, but it don't take NFL defensive coordinators long to figure that stuff out. On the other sideline, NFL DC's have been trying to solve Peyton Manning for over a decade, with very little success. That's because you can do everything right against him and he'll still get the ball out quicker than you can get to him, and put it in the one place where his guy can get it and the defender can't. There is no gameplan against that.

And yes, it is fair to compare him to Manning because Newton was drafted first overall, same as Manning 14 years ago. If Newton does not become a franchise QB and lead the team for the next 15 years, he is a bust. He can't just eventually become a middle of the road quarterback some day, you don't pick guys like that first in the draft.  

The fact is, Newton is not a good NFL quarterback. Whether he can become one is highly debatable, but he seems to be getting worse, not better. He doesn't throw the ball accurately, he doesn't read defenses very well, and he isn't a leader. That is the trifecta of attributes a franchise NFL quarterback must have, and so far he's 0 for 3.

Getting sacked 7 times and hurried 10 + is def an excuse..we all know Manning would be Jesus even with that pressure..people kill me. He didn't play awful more than he was getting killed 2 seconds after the snap...and the amazing staff decided to stop throwing screens that were getting 10+ yards when Denver blitzed..which was almost every down. It is like TOB is running the team

Rivera weekly PC update:

Murphy fired as special teams coach.  # Panthers

Ron Rivera has announced that special teams coach Brian Murphy has been replaced by Richard Rogers.

 

PackBacker07 wrote: Rivera weekly PC update:

Bill Voth ‏ @ billvoth

Murphy fired as special teams coach.  # Panthers

Carolina Panthers ‏ @ Panthers

Ron Rivera has announced that special teams coach Brian Murphy has been replaced by Richard Rogers.

 

replacing everyone but the people that need to be.

AllStatealltheTime wrote:

PackBacker07 wrote: Rivera weekly PC update:

Bill Voth ‏ @ billvoth

Murphy fired as special teams coach.  # Panthers

Carolina Panthers ‏ @ Panthers

Ron Rivera has announced that special teams coach Brian Murphy has been replaced by Richard Rogers.

 

replacing everyone but the people that need to be.

Fire the idiot who thinks Nakamura should ever see the field.

Panthers forgot how to run the ball, which makes their offense go. Rivera may be done. Cowher and maybe Gruden would be the only hires that would appeal to most fans.

In the words of a song I tend to like from the holidays...

STINK,

STANK,


STUNK.

AllStatealltheTime wrote:

1321wolf wrote:

copper2945 wrote:

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--- LetsGoState wrote:

copper2945 wrote: IMHO, Cam peaked and is done as a legit NFL QB. It took NFL DCs one year of film to figure him out. Spy him with a LB, pressure him, and let him either throw ints or incompletions. Cam does not see the field well, he only sees Steve Smith well.

He's peaked half way through his second season?  O-KAYYYYYYY

---------------------------------------------

He peaked last year.

Nobody, and I mean nobody gets more excuses made for him than Cam Newton. 

I think what Newton did last year was largely the result of smoke and mirrors, but it don't take NFL defensive coordinators long to figure that stuff out. On the other sideline, NFL DC's have been trying to solve Peyton Manning for over a decade, with very little success. That's because you can do everything right against him and he'll still get the ball out quicker than you can get to him, and put it in the one place where his guy can get it and the defender can't. There is no gameplan against that.

And yes, it is fair to compare him to Manning because Newton was drafted first overall, same as Manning 14 years ago. If Newton does not become a franchise QB and lead the team for the next 15 years, he is a bust. He can't just eventually become a middle of the road quarterback some day, you don't pick guys like that first in the draft.  

The fact is, Newton is not a good NFL quarterback. Whether he can become one is highly debatable, but he seems to be getting worse, not better. He doesn't throw the ball accurately, he doesn't read defenses very well, and he isn't a leader. That is the trifecta of attributes a franchise NFL quarterback must have, and so far he's 0 for 3.

Getting sacked 7 times and hurried 10 + is def an excuse..we all know Manning would be Jesus even with that pressure..people kill me. He didn't play awful more than he was getting killed 2 seconds after the snap...and the amazing staff decided to stop throwing screens that were getting 10+ yards when Denver blitzed..which was almost every down. It is like TOB is running the team

His accuracy is even worse when he isn't pressured. Unforced errors are his problem. He just gets even worse when everything isn't perfect. I've seen him stand in the pocket with perfect protection and one-hop balls or throw them 5 feet over the receiver's all the time.

Peyton doesn't get sacked very often because he is decisive and gets rid of the ball quickly - something he has in common with the other elite QB's in the league.

1321wolf wrote:

AllStatealltheTime wrote:

1321wolf wrote:

copper2945 wrote:

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--- LetsGoState wrote:

copper2945 wrote: IMHO, Cam peaked and is done as a legit NFL QB. It took NFL DCs one year of film to figure him out. Spy him with a LB, pressure him, and let him either throw ints or incompletions. Cam does not see the field well, he only sees Steve Smith well.

He's peaked half way through his second season?  O-KAYYYYYYY

---------------------------------------------

He peaked last year.

Nobody, and I mean nobody gets more excuses made for him than Cam Newton. 

I think what Newton did last year was largely the result of smoke and mirrors, but it don't take NFL defensive coordinators long to figure that stuff out. On the other sideline, NFL DC's have been trying to solve Peyton Manning for over a decade, with very little success. That's because you can do everything right against him and he'll still get the ball out quicker than you can get to him, and put it in the one place where his guy can get it and the defender can't. There is no gameplan against that.

And yes, it is fair to compare him to Manning because Newton was drafted first overall, same as Manning 14 years ago. If Newton does not become a franchise QB and lead the team for the next 15 years, he is a bust. He can't just eventually become a middle of the road quarterback some day, you don't pick guys like that first in the draft.  

The fact is, Newton is not a good NFL quarterback. Whether he can become one is highly debatable, but he seems to be getting worse, not better. He doesn't throw the ball accurately, he doesn't read defenses very well, and he isn't a leader. That is the trifecta of attributes a franchise NFL quarterback must have, and so far he's 0 for 3.

Getting sacked 7 times and hurried 10 + is def an excuse..we all know Manning would be Jesus even with that pressure..people kill me. He didn't play awful more than he was getting killed 2 seconds after the snap...and the amazing staff decided to stop throwing screens that were getting 10+ yards when Denver blitzed..which was almost every down. It is like TOB is running the team

His accuracy is even worse when he isn't pressured. Unforced errors are his problem. He just gets even worse when everything isn't perfect. I've seen him stand in the pocket with perfect protection and one-hop balls or throw them 5 feet over the receiver's all the time.

Peyton doesn't get sacked very often because he is decisive and gets rid of the ball quickly - something he has in common with the other elite QB's in the league.

and giving up on him this soon is crazy..please look at Brees' first 27 starts in the NFget back to me. Cam will improve...most likely with a better staff

Wasn't Peyton like 1-15 his first season?

Good Lord.

I got to cover the Panthers/Broncos game for the paper (it was the first NFL game I have ever shot), so here is a gallery from the game. Along with photographing the game, I met John Elway (and I wont lie, I was shrieking on the inside like a teenage girl, lol).

http://www.newsargus.com/galle...2_itemId=587639

MountainWolfNC wrote: Wasn't Peyton like 1-15 his first season?

Good Lord.

3-13 iirc. and in his second season, he was 13-3.

wlfpk81 wrote:

MountainWolfNC wrote: Wasn't Peyton like 1-15 his first season?

Good Lord.

3-13 iirc. and in his second season, he was 13-3.

but Brees' first 2 seasons... 27 TDs, 31INTs...averaged about 3400 yards and mid 50% completion percentage. Guess who has better stats and is being tossed aside so early in his career...

look at brees, elway, young and manning. They all stunk. I think it is funny that people are already calling some guy a bust, when he is on quite possibly the team with the worst OLine there is.

Prevent defense prevents you from winning.  I'm so ******* tired of Ron Rivera.

and that is why Rivera should be fired. He was a friggin DC and gave up that crap.

As a Panthers and Pack fan, I'm stuck in conservative, ***** play calling coach hell.

What the hell was Thomas Davis supposed to do. Not hit the guy. He didn't hit him helmet to helmet, it was shoulder to helmet. And that was because the guy tried to duck the hit. Not only that it wasn't a catch. The ball was rolling on the ground. Yet they still called it a catch. Typical NFL BS.

Dang that was just bad.

Rivera better not have a job tomorrow.

Panthers are the poster child for ineptitude.

roflmao - TOB must be consulting on Sundays for the Panthers

There are two coaches in the state of North Carolina that need to be fired immediately..you guess which two...

Buccaneers 27
Panthers 21
Overtime

Panthers now 2-8
next game Monday November 26 @ Eagles

An overtime game and the stands are about half full. Charlotte is a sorry NFL sports town.

Ron Rivera is a former Norv Turner assistant. Coaches like he, NT, Chan Gailey, and Jason Garrett are cut from the same cloth.

this sucks. I was hoping the Panther would get to 9-7 and the playoffs this year, but the Chargers curse reared it's head.

The only question at this point should be does Rivera get fired tonight or tomorrow morning.