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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:04 AM
Re: 2012 Washington Redskins Thread, RGIII's knee/future?
dsd27205 wrote:
copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months Torn ACL & LCL. I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game. That's why I think maybe Cousins will be the better QB after this.
For those saying Cousins isn't that good, maybe he's not, but for the most part he played well when given the chance and he was viewed about the same by scouts as a former State QB who is being deemed as "better than RGIII" by some on this thread. Kirk Cousins is a better QB than Grossman and Jason Campbell... |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:06 AM
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The Ghost of HessianWolf wrote:
copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months Torn ACL & LCL. I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game. He will never be the same. This is major knee surgery number two in three years. That doesn't mean he still can't be a good quarterback going forward but he won't be the same threat he was, and the Redskins won't be able to run the read option as effectively as they did this year.
But if they try (and they're a stupid organization, so maybe they will) he'll be out of the league in five years tops. Just my opinion. Didn't the Viking RB have a knee surgery or something minor happen with his knee? He looked decent, maybe not great but at least decent, this year. |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:14 AM
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hunwolf wrote:
The Ghost of HessianWolf wrote:
copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months Torn ACL & LCL. I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game. He will never be the same. This is major knee surgery number two in three years. That doesn't mean he still can't be a good quarterback going forward but he won't be the same threat he was, and the Redskins won't be able to run the read option as effectively as they did this year.
But if they try (and they're a stupid organization, so maybe they will) he'll be out of the league in five years tops. Just my opinion. Didn't the Viking RB have a knee surgery or something minor happen with his knee?
He looked decent, maybe not great but at least decent, this year. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...Hun, you crazy man! "If you want the truth, ask me". |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:16 AM
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Peterson is the exception, not the rule. And that was one surgery, not two in three years. Fun (or maybe not so fun) side fact: Peterson's injury occured at FedEx as well.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:18 AM
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Changes a lot of things for the Redskins - Cousins is no longer trade bait. You can NOT continue to call designed runs for your QB. RGIII will have to develop further in the passing game.
Opinion - RGIII is accurate enough to make all the throws and will continue to be the franchise QB. He needs to play in the pocket more and develop more. The read option gave him a development crutch - he didn't have to learn other things yet because they weren't stopping the read option. That's all opinion.
Future can still be bright - front seven on D will enjoy the return of Carriker and Orakpo - and hopefully we'll draft, develop, or sign free agents for the secondary. I know Kyle S. did a great job with the O, but Haslett deserves Coaching MVP of the Season based on what he did with ... is crap the right word? ... that secondary and the injuries in the front 7.
O-line was surprisingly good when healthy. Morris is a stud and the return of Helu provides additional depth at RB.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:20 AM
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Certainly there are more red flags with a guy who has had multiple times under the knife.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:42 AM
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The Ghost of HessianWolf wrote:
copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months Torn ACL & LCL. I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game. He will never be the same. This is major knee surgery number two in three years. That doesn't mean he still can't be a good quarterback going forward but he won't be the same threat he was, and the Redskins won't be able to run the read option as effectively as they did this year.
But if they try (and they're a stupid organization, so maybe they will) he'll be out of the league in five years tops. Just my opinion. I agree. AD Peterson ripped his knee up last Christmas and he can barely walk now. "Every single day, in every walk of life, ordinary people do extraordinary things.!!" |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:45 AM
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smitt86 wrote: Even the way RW threw the block was in a manner where he didn't take a bad shot. He bumped one guy and got out of there without directly taking a straight-on hit or engaging a defender. Not truly the safest play, but he played it as careful as he could while still helping his teammate. It's all fine and good until a defender sees it as an opportunity to take a shot at the QB. Eventually someone is just going to forget about trying to tackle the runner and take a shot at the QB instead. That being said, it's the playoffs so you have to do whatever you can to help the team. |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:50 AM
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wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:
The Ghost of HessianWolf wrote:
copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months Torn ACL & LCL. I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game. He will never be the same. This is major knee surgery number two in three years. That doesn't mean he still can't be a good quarterback going forward but he won't be the same threat he was, and the Redskins won't be able to run the read option as effectively as they did this year.
But if they try (and they're a stupid organization, so maybe they will) he'll be out of the league in five years tops. Just my opinion. I agree. AD Peterson ripped his knee up last Christmas and he can barely walk now. Is there a list somewhere of guys who have blown out the same knee twice?
I think there was 1 for the Panthers this year, the LB?
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:51 AM
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Why does everyone think Cousins will be the bees knees? He played pretty good in FOUR games this year, only starting one in which he played great, against the BROWNS. He looked scared against Seattle and played poorly, although he was attempting a comeback in a playoff game.
Kevin Kolb looked pretty good in Philly FYI. Matt Cassel in NE too.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:53 AM
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elonwolfpacker wrote:
Shouldn't you be more concerned with what the tar heel kitties are doing than the Skins? Until it's time to sign free agents or to have the draft, there's not much to talk about.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:57 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- JamesHenderson wrote: wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:
The Ghost of HessianWolf wrote:
copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months Torn ACL & LCL. I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game. He will never be the same. This is major knee surgery number two in three years. That doesn't mean he still can't be a good quarterback going forward but he won't be the same threat he was, and the Redskins won't be able to run the read option as effectively as they did this year.
But if they try (and they're a stupid organization, so maybe they will) he'll be out of the league in five years tops. Just my opinion. I agree. AD Peterson ripped his knee up last Christmas and he can barely walk now. Is there a list somewhere of guys who have blown out the same knee twice? I think there was 1 for the Panthers this year, the LB? --------------------------------------------- Thomas Davis. And he had a great year. Medical advancements have proven the last few years there are many injuries anymore that can restrict a guy long term. I mean if Willis Mcgahee can come back from his injury at Miami, and if Marcus Lattimore can come back, then anything is possible short of death. |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 12:05 PM
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JamesHenderson wrote:
wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:
The Ghost of HessianWolf wrote:
copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months Torn ACL & LCL. I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game. He will never be the same. This is major knee surgery number two in three years. That doesn't mean he still can't be a good quarterback going forward but he won't be the same threat he was, and the Redskins won't be able to run the read option as effectively as they did this year.
But if they try (and they're a stupid organization, so maybe they will) he'll be out of the league in five years tops. Just my opinion. I agree. AD Peterson ripped his knee up last Christmas and he can barely walk now. Is there a list somewhere of guys who have blown out the same knee twice?
I think there was 1 for the Panthers this year, the LB?
I think medical procedures continue to improve every year. If AD had incurred his injury 5 years ago, no one would have ever believed he'd have stepped foot on the field in September. In fact, I still can't believe he did this year. Athletes will always be at risk, but as technology elevates, it gives the players a better chance at a better recovery. Will RGlll lose a step, a half step, nothing? No one knows. It's entirely speculation. People get emotionally unbalanced when they either overly love, or hate something. It is difficult to be rational, instead of rationalizing. There are a lot of people on this thread I see that are almost giddy he got hurt, and others ready to wage war with someone, anyone because of it. Has anyone thought that maybe this new injury will help RGlll's career? He completed 66% of his passes as a rookie. I think with slightly better mechanics and focus he can perform at an even higher level. If he raises his completion%, and runs when he sees a wide open avenue, or gets down, this may prolong his career, and make him just as lethal a player. I know, I know,...I'm rationalizing.  "Every single day, in every walk of life, ordinary people do extraordinary things.!!" |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 12:24 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- JamesHenderson wrote: wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:
The Ghost of HessianWolf wrote:
copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months Torn ACL & LCL. I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game. He will never be the same. This is major knee surgery number two in three years. That doesn't mean he still can't be a good quarterback going forward but he won't be the same threat he was, and the Redskins won't be able to run the read option as effectively as they did this year.
But if they try (and they're a stupid organization, so maybe they will) he'll be out of the league in five years tops. Just my opinion. I agree. AD Peterson ripped his knee up last Christmas and he can barely walk now. Is there a list somewhere of guys who have blown out the same knee twice? I think there was 1 for the Panthers this year, the LB? --------------------------------------------- Robbie Hummel. Still got drafted in he 2nd round of NBA. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Posted: 1/9/2013 1:17 PM
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No one has said the knee is blown out. He has partial tears in both and the foremost physician in this area (Dr. Andrews) is going in to fix this. Modern Knee surgery isn't what it was when Joe Namath and Gale Sayers played.
I don't want to rush RGIII back, but we have all seen a lot worse injuries than this over the last few years. We've come a long way in the last decade, since Willis McGahee "blew out" his knee in the National Championship game completely tearing all 4 ligaments in his knee. I mean his leg was dangling. He has had a pretty decent career. Then look at the Carson Palmer injury where they replaced his ligaments with a cadaver and he was back playing in 7 months.
I think RGIII is going to be fine in the long run. The better part is that this is going to make him wiser in the long run. He didn't need to be throwing himself all around the way he did. If you don't need to take the hit, then don't take the hit, get down or get out of bounds.
(Edit: Willis McGahee is the He that I was referring to.)
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Posted: 1/9/2013 1:19 PM
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After all that's happened in the last few weeks, James Andrews has every incentive to be conservative about his recovery.
If Andrews says he'll be back in 6-8 months, I have no doubt he will, and probably on the shorter end of that timeframe.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 1:23 PM
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Skins will have to change some things up next year with the offense. RG3 still a young man and he will come back. The running game will be his friend and Wash will have to look down the field a little more or may do the short passing game plays which equate to a run. Tons of options. Wishing him the best. Lots of work to do on the defensive side of the ball.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 1:40 PM
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Daniel33 wrote:
No, I didn't watch much of the Redskins last year. Which in your mind makes you the perfect person to argue about the very team you claim you did not watch. LOL typical Daniel
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Posted: 1/9/2013 1:46 PM
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PretzelPack wrote: . We've come a long way in the last decade, since he "blew out" his knee in the National Championship game completely tearing all 4 ligaments in his knee. I mean his leg was gangling. Who blew out all four ligaments? And did you mean dangling?
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Posted: 1/9/2013 1:47 PM
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BTW I think highly of both RW and RGIII. They are great role models for kids today. Which of course means no kid will model themselves after them.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 1:47 PM
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MisterRee wrote:
Daniel33 wrote:
No, I didn't watch much of the Redskins last year. Which in your mind makes you the perfect person to argue about the very team you claim you did not watch. LOL typical Daniel I'm not arguing. It's not like I'm mad about anything. I don't think the Redskins can undo their trade from last year's draft, so it's just something to pass the time. Stalker.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 1:48 PM
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The dude is done. He will be on a 30 for 30 in 20 years ala Bo Jackson...oh the potential he had.
The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 2:57 PM
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MisterRee wrote:
Daniel33 wrote:
No, I didn't watch much of the Redskins last year. Which in your mind makes you the perfect person to argue about the very team you claim you did not watch. LOL typical Daniel Judge, jury, and executioner.
Ya know what? Everybody who graduates from N.C. State goes out and competes against Duke and Carolina people every single day. And we kick their butt. You think I’m scared to compete with them in athletics?
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:16 PM
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RGIII just needs to watch tape of RWI to get a better idea of how to still be able to run and help your team, but know when to fall down, slide and/or get out of bounds. RW doesn't take a pounding for someone who scrambles and runs like he does.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:23 PM
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Stephen Whyno @SWhyno
Dr. James Andrews, in statement released by #Redskins: #RG3 "had a direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction."
And he'll be back in 6 months? Maybe, but I would not be surprised if he missed the 2013 season. The way his leg was flopping around reminded me of the Lattimore injury.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:30 PM
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wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:
JamesHenderson wrote:
wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:
The Ghost of HessianWolf wrote:
copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months Torn ACL & LCL. I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game. He will never be the same. This is major knee surgery number two in three years. That doesn't mean he still can't be a good quarterback going forward but he won't be the same threat he was, and the Redskins won't be able to run the read option as effectively as they did this year.
But if they try (and they're a stupid organization, so maybe they will) he'll be out of the league in five years tops. Just my opinion. I agree. AD Peterson ripped his knee up last Christmas and he can barely walk now. Is there a list somewhere of guys who have blown out the same knee twice?
I think there was 1 for the Panthers this year, the LB?
I think medical procedures continue to improve every year.
If AD had incurred his injury 5 years ago, no one would have ever believed he'd have stepped foot on the field in September. In fact, I still can't believe he did this year.
Athletes will always be at risk, but as technology elevates, it gives the players a better chance at a better recovery.
Will RGlll lose a step, a half step, nothing? No one knows. It's entirely speculation.
People get emotionally unbalanced when they either overly love, or hate something. It is difficult to be rational, instead of rationalizing.
There are a lot of people on this thread I see that are almost giddy he got hurt, and others ready to wage war with someone, anyone because of it.
Has anyone thought that maybe this new injury will help RGlll's career? He completed 66% of his passes as a rookie. I think with slightly better mechanics and focus he can perform at an even higher level.
If he raises his completion%, and runs when he sees a wide open avenue, or gets down, this may prolong his career, and make him just as lethal a player.
I know, I know,...I'm rationalizing. That's my hope.
I hope that the injuries force us to develop him into a pocket passer. My worry is that he might not be able to become one. We gave up a lot for RG3. He has to pan out and for a long time.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:32 PM
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wolfpack05 wrote:
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--- JamesHenderson wrote:
wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:
The Ghost of HessianWolf wrote:
copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months Torn ACL & LCL. I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game. He will never be the same. This is major knee surgery number two in three years. That doesn't mean he still can't be a good quarterback going forward but he won't be the same threat he was, and the Redskins won't be able to run the read option as effectively as they did this year.
But if they try (and they're a stupid organization, so maybe they will) he'll be out of the league in five years tops. Just my opinion. I agree. AD Peterson ripped his knee up last Christmas and he can barely walk now. Is there a list somewhere of guys who have blown out the same knee twice?
I think there was 1 for the Panthers this year, the LB?
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Robbie Hummel. Still got drafted in he 2nd round of NBA. What were the expectations for him pre-injury?
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:40 PM
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Another forum I frequent. This guy because of his profession is the go to for questions regarding these types of injuries.
I talked with 2 Orthopaedic Drs today about this particular injury and the fact that he already had a ACL surgery in 2009, and depending where the first graft was harvested, allograft ( his) vs autograft ( cadaver), there was a slight chance that they would repair that graft, however the chances of that failing in a 22 y/o world class athlete would fail is almost 80% so they will take it from his other knee and implant it like the one they did before, the timing of recovery would be about the same as the first one, the big issue would be depending on the bone loss where the suture plugs ( this is what hold the tendon graft) to the bone as it starts to grow onto the bone itself to stabilize already was done the first time, if there is a lot of bone loss when they remove that plug and install the second plug they would have to put the plugs in a different spot, that could create tightness of the joint and and create stiffness where he did not have any his first surgery, the point I am making is that he probably not be the player he was prior to this injury and he will have to change his game to compensate for the issues this injury presents...the LCL is really not a issue as it will grow back without surgery but will require PT, the question will remain is when RG3 actually tore his ACL, I have read that there was a time in the first quarter, the third quarter and then the fateful 4th quarter play where he went out.....we will never know if that ACL injury was a result of negligence on Shanny's part, on RG3 or did it happen 3 weeks earlier and it finally tore through one of those plays...either way he will have to be smart about his body when he comes back.
Basically the chances of him being the same player are slim and people need to consider he has already had ACL surgery on this knee once. You can't keep having that kind of injury to a knee consistently without losing something. Griffin ironically also continued to play in that Baylor game when he injured his ACL in 2009.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:41 PM
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JP1974 wrote: RGIII just needs to watch tape of RWI to get a better idea of how to still be able to run and help your team, but know when to fall down, slide and/or get out of bounds. RW doesn't take a pounding for someone who scrambles and runs like he does. The difference is Russell Wilson doesn't need the read option or spread or the threat of him running the ball.
He ran the pro-style offense at State. He ran it at Wisconsin. The first 12 weeks of the season, Seattle ran the option a TOTAL of five times. Over that same stretch, Washington ran the option 88 times. Seattle was a pro-style team and still use it a lot. We need to progress RG3 to that point... to where he can excel from under center and within the pocket.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 4:33 PM
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RedLight wrote: Stephen Whyno @SWhyno
Dr. James Andrews, in statement released by #Redskins: #RG3 "had a direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction."
And he'll be back in 6 months? Maybe, but I would not be surprised if he missed the 2013 season. The way his leg was flopping around reminded me of the Lattimore injury. Dr. James Andrews expects RG3 to be ready for 2013 season http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/b...for-2013-season "Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
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Posted: 1/9/2013 4:46 PM
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dunlow66 wrote:
RedLight wrote: Stephen Whyno @SWhyno
Dr. James Andrews, in statement released by #Redskins: #RG3 "had a direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction."
And he'll be back in 6 months? Maybe, but I would not be surprised if he missed the 2013 season. The way his leg was flopping around reminded me of the Lattimore injury. Dr. James Andrews expects RG3 to be ready for 2013 season
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/b...for-2013-season We'll see. Dr. Andrews can easily come back and claim issues developed that slowed Griffins's recovery. The fact is the good doctor is just making an educated guess. What exactly does "ready" mean any way. Able to practice is not nearly the same thing as being effective in a game. I will add that I don't think Griffin can afford a third injury to that knee. Another tear and he's done. That alone will affect how he plays
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Posted: 1/9/2013 4:49 PM
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God RG3 is a wonderful talent. I am sure he will have the best doctors and will work hard in his recovery. I wish him the very best.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 5:24 PM
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RedLight wrote:
dunlow66 wrote:
RedLight wrote: Stephen Whyno @SWhyno
Dr. James Andrews, in statement released by #Redskins: #RG3 "had a direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction."
And he'll be back in 6 months? Maybe, but I would not be surprised if he missed the 2013 season. The way his leg was flopping around reminded me of the Lattimore injury. Dr. James Andrews expects RG3 to be ready for 2013 season
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/b...for-2013-season We'll see. Dr. Andrews can easily come back and claim issues developed that slowed Griffins's recovery. The fact is the good doctor is just making an educated guess.
What exactly does "ready" mean any way. Able to practice is not nearly the same thing as being effective in a game.
I will add that I don't think Griffin can afford a third injury to that knee. Another tear and he's done. That alone will affect how he plays Yea, Definitely should be an issue in his future playing style. "Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:36 PM
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Washington Post writer claims RG3's injury is the result of bad karma for the name "Redskins." OUCH.
The mayor of D.C. has apparently decided if the Redskins want a new stadium in D.C. the name would have to be changed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/whats-in-a-nam e-the-redskins-bad-karma/2013/01/08/a6ab8bb4-59da- 11e2-88d0-c4cf65c3ad15_story.html
The links never work for me, but that is the URL address
"I wear NC State gear because I'm going to NC State, you wear UNC gear because you went to Wal-Mart."
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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:55 PM
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That mayor will be dead before the Redskins build another stadium. Some american indians will do anything for some fame. Just a while back a model was catching heat for walking the runway in lingere and a war bonnet head dress. They raised hell about how only a warrior should wear that and no woman should. Hell you can go to cherokee and buy them all day long. There they care as long as you have cash.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:20 AM
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Thomas Davis. He blew out the same knee three times. --------------------------------------------- --- JamesHenderson wrote: wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:
The Ghost of HessianWolf wrote:
copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months Torn ACL & LCL. I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game. He will never be the same. This is major knee surgery number two in three years. That doesn't mean he still can't be a good quarterback going forward but he won't be the same threat he was, and the Redskins won't be able to run the read option as effectively as they did this year.
But if they try (and they're a stupid organization, so maybe they will) he'll be out of the league in five years tops. Just my opinion. I agree. AD Peterson ripped his knee up last Christmas and he can barely walk now. Is there a list somewhere of guys who have blown out the same knee twice? I think there was 1 for the Panthers this year, the LB? ---------------------------------------------
"I'm watching North Carolina playing North Carolina State and there were five million red shirts in the crowd. And if I’d had a BB gun, five million red shirts would have had a burned rear end." - Roy Williams, 11/28/2011
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:32 AM
Re: 2012 Washington Redskins Thread, RGIII's knee/future?
How do you figure I'm playing judge, jury and executioner? I simply don't think that RGIII was worth what the Redskins gave up to get him....especially in light of the risky playing style he employs despite not being a very big guy. I think they could have drafted a QB in their original spot (6th, right? maybe Tannehill), and then been better off as a team going forward with their 2nd round pick and 1st rounders in '13 and '14. If giving up two first round picks for a player was such a good idea, more teams would sign franchise players from other teams. That rarely happens. The Redskins gave up two first round picks and a 2nd round pick for RGIII. AlabamaPacker wrote:
MisterRee wrote:
Daniel33 wrote:
No, I didn't watch much of the Redskins last year. Which in your mind makes you the perfect person to argue about the very team you claim you did not watch. LOL typical Daniel
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:04 AM
RE: 2012 Washington Redskins Thread, RG3 Torn ACL/LCL
IMO the only way he's worth that is if he eventually leads us to a title or two.
Take for instance the NYG and SD trade for Eli and PR. I'm sure NYG is fine with giving up Rivers, a third (Nate Kaeding), a first (Shawn Merriman), and a fifth for Eli, given he's led them to two Super Bowls. Of course, it can be debated, would Rivers have been able to do the same with that defense?
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:41 AM
RE: 2012 Washington Redskins Thread, RG3 Torn ACL/LCL
I didn't think the trade was worth it when it happened - I liked the idea of taking Tannehill at 6. So many needs on D (hello crappy secondary) and the O-line. But then Shanny would have drafted Wilson in the third (he's publicly stated he like Wilson as well - and because of Wilson's skill set being similar to RGIII I think Shanny would have taken him over Cousins - purely speculation on my part) or Cousins to be a back up and the Redskins would have been in a QB controversy immediately. Although I think Wilson would have beaten Tannehill in camp - would have been an interesting situation.
IF RGIII doesn't have this knee injury - I think everybody would agree it was a good trade. There are obviously 3 definite franchise QBs in this draft. Maybe 4 if Tannehill pans out.
IF RGIII comes back healthy enough to be the guy (and can play in the pocket - which I think he can, others do not) - it will still be worth it. IF NOT, then the hindsight is easy that it wasn't a good trade. And then its a whole new coaching staff again anyway.
We won't know anything definite until probably 2014. 2013 will only let us know in the worst case scenario sense - ie: his leg is done.
Front 7 gets better with the guys returning - hopefully additional talent is added to the secondary. Find this years TY Hilton at receiver in the draft to add to the current crop (significantly better with Garcon this year - and he has never been Mr. Dependable if you count his Indy time). Helu returns and adds depth behind Morris and Royster. The future can be bright - depending on the knee of the franchise QB. Cousins WAS perfect trade bait (like Kevin Kolb), but you no longer have the luxury to trade that guy.
I found RGIII to be very accurate - but I understand he wasn't asked to make every throw this year (good news is there isn't a question about arm strength - just accuracy for certain type throws). And the designed runs were an obvious development crutch. You can NOT run your franchise QB as much as they did. Makes no sense.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:01 AM
RE: 2012 Washington Redskins Thread, RG3 Torn ACL/LCL
JamesHenderson wrote: IMO the only way he's worth that is if he eventually leads us to a title or two.
Take for instance the NYG and SD trade for Eli and PR. I'm sure NYG is fine with giving up Rivers, a third (Nate Kaeding), a first (Shawn Merriman), and a fifth for Eli, given he's led them to two Super Bowls. Of course, it can be debated, would Rivers have been able to do the same with that defense? I personally don't agree. You are basically saying that if we keep those draft picks you expect us to win a title or two with them as well. I don't think we were on track to win a Super Bowl anytime soon and even if you keep those picks you still have to draft a QB at some point and hope that he pans out. The NFL is a QB driven league and RG3 was one of the safest QB picks ever (talent wise). He may never win a Super Bowl, but heck at least he makes the skins fun to watch again. |
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