Daniel33 wrote: 
If basically every other team in their division hadn't underperformed, they wouldn't even have made the playoffs.  The Redskins were certainly not such a good team that they were one player away.

The Redskins' success on offense was just as much or more a function of the performance of a 6th round pick than it was Griffin.

If the Redskins could go back and do it all over, after watching the team play this year, they'd be better off drafting a WR or OL in the 1st round to play with Cousins and Morris and keeping their next two first round picks to add to that core.

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

NCSUfan81 wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

NCSUfan81 wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

The "is he worth it" debate will never end.  If I were a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't think that any player was worth that much....especially a rookie.  The only time I think it's worth giving that much up for someone is if you're on a team that needs that one special piece to be a contender.  Washington didn't fit that description.

Two of the four picks Washington gave up have been used.  Morris Claiborne and Janoris Jenkins were picked.  The 2013 pick will be #22.  As a Panther fan who watched my team give up two 1st round picks for Sean Gilbert, I can tell you that not having first round picks sucks.

Griffin III needs to have a Brady-esque career to be "worth it", and I'm just not convinced he has that type of potential.

How did Washington not fit that description?  Granted they added a little more than just RG3, but I don't see how you could say they weren't a contender this year.  If RG3 had stayed healthy I think they had a decent shot at making the Super Bowl this year.

If basically every other team in their division hadn't underperformed, they wouldn't even have made the playoffs.  The Redskins were certainly not such a good team that they were one player away.

The Redskins' success on offense was just as much or more a function of the performance of a 6th round pick than it was Griffin.

If the Redskins could go back and do it all over, after watching the team play this year, they'd be better off drafting a WR or OL in the 1st round to play with Cousins and Morris and keeping their next two first round picks to add to that core.

The skins lost one divisional game all season so maybe they're the reason other teams under-performed.  All of their losses were early in the season when they were breaking in a Rookie QB and playing without Garcon.  

I would argue that the performance of the 6th round pick was largely aided by the presence of RG3 in that backfield.  The defense had to respect RG3 and it opened up the field for everyone else.  

That draft had one OL worth taking in the top 10 and I would never draft a WR that high unless it was a Calvin Johnson type freak.  If Cousins is as good as you think he is, they should be able to trade him and get some of those draft picks back.

Daniel33 wrote:

If basically every other team in their division hadn't underperformed, they wouldn't even have made the playoffs.  The Redskins were certainly not such a good team that they were one player away.

The Redskins' success on offense was just as much or more a function of the performance of a 6th round pick than it was Griffin.

If the Redskins could go back and do it all over, after watching the team play this year, they'd be better off drafting a WR or OL in the 1st round to play with Cousins and Morris and keeping their next two first round picks to add to that core.

AlabamaPacker wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Clearly you didn't see the hit that messed up his knee.  That could happen to any runner trying to gain a first down.

The only other time he was knocked out of a game was when he got his bell rung against Atlanta.

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Clearly you didn't see the hit that messed up his knee.  That could happen to any runner trying to gain a first down.

The only other time he was knocked out of a game was when he got his bell rung against Atlanta.

I count three games ATL, Baltimore and Seattle plus a missed game against Cleveland.

Daniel33 wrote: 
I don't think Cousins is all that special as a QB, I just don't think he's 2 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick worse than RGIII. 

As for the draft, if you have a good team, you can reach a little for need.  Bruce Irvin probably wasn't worth the pick that Seattle used on him based on pure talent, but he added something to their team that was needed.

They only play 6 divisional games.  If they were 5-1 in those 6, that's half of their victories.  Then, add in wins against Cleveland and Tampa (two of the worst teams in the league), New Orleans in the first game of the year when they were adjusting to all the losses, and you get the fact that Washington had two quality wins all year - Baltimore and Minnesota.  That's it.

I get your point, but the NFL is a QB driven league and the Skins didn't have one.  It is much easier to draft Cousins in the 4th round because he fell that far than it is to hope that   he falls that far.  

The Skins needed someone to re-energize the fan base and he has done it.  He may never win a Super Bowl, but IMO he has already been worth those draft picks.  

Quality Wins this year:

Atlanta - 2 (Denver, Washington)
Denver - 2 (Cincinnati, Baltimore)
New England - 3 (Denver, Indianapolis, Houston)
Green Bay - 2 (Houston, Minnesota)
San Francisco - 2 (Seattle, New England)
Baltimore - 2 (Cincinnati, New England)
Houston - 3 (Denver, Baltimore, Indianapolis) 

I'm not sure how Washington is any different than these teams.  
    

NCSUfan81 wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

NCSUfan81 wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

The "is he worth it" debate will never end.  If I were a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't think that any player was worth that much....especially a rookie.  The only time I think it's worth giving that much up for someone is if you're on a team that needs that one special piece to be a contender.  Washington didn't fit that description.

Two of the four picks Washington gave up have been used.  Morris Claiborne and Janoris Jenkins were picked.  The 2013 pick will be #22.  As a Panther fan who watched my team give up two 1st round picks for Sean Gilbert, I can tell you that not having first round picks sucks.

Griffin III needs to have a Brady-esque career to be "worth it", and I'm just not convinced he has that type of potential.

How did Washington not fit that description?  Granted they added a little more than just RG3, but I don't see how you could say they weren't a contender this year.  If RG3 had stayed healthy I think they had a decent shot at making the Super Bowl this year.

If basically every other team in their division hadn't underperformed, they wouldn't even have made the playoffs.  The Redskins were certainly not such a good team that they were one player away.

The Redskins' success on offense was just as much or more a function of the performance of a 6th round pick than it was Griffin.

If the Redskins could go back and do it all over, after watching the team play this year, they'd be better off drafting a WR or OL in the 1st round to play with Cousins and Morris and keeping their next two first round picks to add to that core.

The skins lost one divisional game all season so maybe they're the reason other teams under-performed.  All of their losses were early in the season when they were breaking in a Rookie QB and playing without Garcon.  

I would argue that the performance of the 6th round pick was largely aided by the presence of RG3 in that backfield.  The defense had to respect RG3 and it opened up the field for everyone else.  

That draft had one OL worth taking in the top 10 and I would never draft a WR that high unless it was a Calvin Johnson type freak.  If Cousins is as good as you think he is, they should be able to trade him and get some of those draft picks back.

Bryanth1a wrote: If there's a lot of nesting going on, you can gua-ran-damn-tee Daniel33 is in the middle of it.

JamesHenderson wrote:

NCSUfan81 wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

NCSUfan81 wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

The "is he worth it" debate will never end.  If I were a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't think that any player was worth that much....especially a rookie.  The only time I think it's worth giving that much up for someone is if you're on a team that needs that one special piece to be a contender.  Washington didn't fit that description.

Two of the four picks Washington gave up have been used.  Morris Claiborne and Janoris Jenkins were picked.  The 2013 pick will be #22.  As a Panther fan who watched my team give up two 1st round picks for Sean Gilbert, I can tell you that not having first round picks sucks.

Griffin III needs to have a Brady-esque career to be "worth it", and I'm just not convinced he has that type of potential.

How did Washington not fit that description?  Granted they added a little more than just RG3, but I don't see how you could say they weren't a contender this year.  If RG3 had stayed healthy I think they had a decent shot at making the Super Bowl this year.

If basically every other team in their division hadn't underperformed, they wouldn't even have made the playoffs.  The Redskins were certainly not such a good team that they were one player away.

The Redskins' success on offense was just as much or more a function of the performance of a 6th round pick than it was Griffin.

If the Redskins could go back and do it all over, after watching the team play this year, they'd be better off drafting a WR or OL in the 1st round to play with Cousins and Morris and keeping their next two first round picks to add to that core.

The skins lost one divisional game all season so maybe they're the reason other teams under-performed.  All of their losses were early in the season when they were breaking in a Rookie QB and playing without Garcon.  

I would argue that the performance of the 6th round pick was largely aided by the presence of RG3 in that backfield.  The defense had to respect RG3 and it opened up the field for everyone else.  

That draft had one OL worth taking in the top 10 and I would never draft a WR that high unless it was a Calvin Johnson type freak.  If Cousins is as good as you think he is, they should be able to trade him and get some of those draft picks back.

Given RG3's injury issues we better not trade Cousins.

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Daniel33 wrote:

Bryanth1a wrote: If there's a lot of nesting going on, you can gua-ran-damn-tee Daniel33 is in the middle of it.

Nice post.  No serious English mistakes.

You've probably been proofreading it for an hour.

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AlabamaPacker wrote:

After you finish flexing your intellectual superiority, would you like to answer my question?

Daniel33 wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

After you finish flexing your intellectual superiority, would you like to answer my question?

These?

Did you watch this team last year?  They were absolutely one player away from being a playoff team.  Last year they had 2 quarterbacks who made poor decisions and couldn't evade pressure.  Grossman was a turnover machine, and John Beck has no business in the NFL. 

Don't believe me?  Then explain how Washington managed to beat the New York Giants.  Twice.


No, I didn't watch much of the Redskins last year.  Whether or not they were a QB away from being a playoff team is irrelevant.  They could have signed Matt Flynn or some other mid-level free agent to improve their QB situation, and then built around him with the draft picks they gave up to get RGIII.

The Panthers beat Atlanta once and had them beat the other time....it didn't change the fact that their overall record sucked this year.

The reason that Washington ended up with Grossman and Beck as their QBs is what?  Because they spent their FA money and draft picks poorly and those two were all they could afford, right?

Had surgery this AM » MT  @ RGIII Thank you for your prayers & support. Love God, family, team, fans, & this game. See you guys next season.

copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months  Torn ACL & LCL.  I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game.

elonwolfpacker wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

After you finish flexing your intellectual superiority, would you like to answer my question?

These?

Did you watch this team last year?  They were absolutely one player away from being a playoff team.  Last year they had 2 quarterbacks who made poor decisions and couldn't evade pressure.  Grossman was a turnover machine, and John Beck has no business in the NFL. 

Don't believe me?  Then explain how Washington managed to beat the New York Giants.  Twice.


No, I didn't watch much of the Redskins last year.  Whether or not they were a QB away from being a playoff team is irrelevant.  They could have signed Matt Flynn or some other mid-level free agent to improve their QB situation, and then built around him with the draft picks they gave up to get RGIII.

The Panthers beat Atlanta once and had them beat the other time....it didn't change the fact that their overall record sucked this year.

The reason that Washington ended up with Grossman and Beck as their QBs is what?  Because they spent their FA money and draft picks poorly and those two were all they could afford, right?

Shouldn't you be more concerned with what the tar heel kitties are doing than the Skins?

302ASullivan wrote: Wilson is also a blueprint for a safe running QB.  Not that accidennts won't happen but he runs smooth, keeps his head up, heads out of bounds and slides when he needs to.  He rarely challenges defenders like Newton and RGIII do and doesn't take the big hit.  Newton is bigger and will be able to take that for a longer time, but not indefinitely.  RGIII has to change the way he runs now.  Against the Ravens when he got initially hurt, he went headfirst between three Ravens.  Now, the leg-whip nature of the injury was a bit freakish, but still you can't attack like that and survive long.

LetsGoState wrote:

copper2945 wrote: Out 6-8 months  Torn ACL & LCL.  I think this changes his career and the way he plays the game.

302ASullivan wrote: Wilson is also a blueprint for a safe running QB.  

wolfpackernc wrote:

302ASullivan wrote: Wilson is also a blueprint for a safe running QB.  

Although he is the worst slider I've ever seen.  And given his baseball history, that's surprising.

He hurt himself against Rutgers in the bowl game trying to slide and he had another awkward one versus the 'Skins last week.

elonwolfpacker wrote:

302ASullivan wrote: Wilson is also a blueprint for a safe running QB.  Not that accidennts won't happen but he runs smooth, keeps his head up, heads out of bounds and slides when he needs to.  He rarely challenges defenders like Newton and RGIII do and doesn't take the big hit.  Newton is bigger and will be able to take that for a longer time, but not indefinitely.  RGIII has to change the way he runs now.  Against the Ravens when he got initially hurt, he went headfirst between three Ravens.  Now, the leg-whip nature of the injury was a bit freakish, but still you can't attack like that and survive long.

I guess running pass the ball carrier to throw a block is a way for a QB to avoid a defender?

302ASullivan wrote: Wilson is also a blueprint for a safe running QB.  Not that accidennts won't happen but he runs smooth, keeps his head up, heads out of bounds and slides when he needs to.  He rarely challenges defenders like Newton and RGIII do and doesn't take the big hit.  Newton is bigger and will be able to take that for a longer time, but not indefinitely.  RGIII has to change the way he runs now.  Against the Ravens when he got initially hurt, he went headfirst between three Ravens.  Now, the leg-whip nature of the injury was a bit freakish, but still you can't attack like that and survive long.