santepack wrote:
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--- dunlow66 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote: Why should Shanahan be fired for this? Because his center had a bad snap? Give me a break.

The only thing anyone could be mad at Shanahan for is not pulling RG3 based on performance.

I think the kid already had a some sprained knee ligaments to begin with. Shanahan was not looking out for the best interest of his star QB. Like I said, I am not a Skins fan and dont care who their coach is, but I think a players health should come first. Maybe my knee problems have caused some bias on my part, but knee injuries are very hard to rehab and can sometimes never be fixed completely. Anyone who doesn't agree that Shanahan put his player at unnecessary risk is free to do so, Not going to change what I feel about it though.

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But Philip Rivers was celebrated for playing a championship game against the Pats with a confirmed torn acl or mcl...

Me thinks all the angst is more about losing the game and blaming the coach than some sudden concern for the health of a QB.

Next week the NFL should demand all potentially injured players be benched. That would be fun to watch!

wolfinphoenix wrote: That's the thing. His performance was bad after he aggravated it in the 1st Q. They had the lead. Cousins had shown he can carry the load. You had Morris back there, too. Does the "RGIII at 20% is still better than Cousins at 100%" logic apply here?

dunlow66 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote: Why should Shanahan be fired for this? Because his center had a bad snap? Give me a break.

The only thing anyone could be mad at Shanahan for is not pulling RG3 based on performance.

I think the kid already had a some sprained knee ligaments to begin with. Shanahan was not looking out for the best interest of his star QB. Like I said, I am not a Skins fan and dont care who their coach is, but I think a players health should come first. Maybe my knee problems have caused some bias on my part, but knee injuries are very hard to rehab and can sometimes never be fixed completely. Anyone who doesn't agree that Shanahan put his player at unnecessary risk is free to do so, Not going to change what I feel about it though.

RG3 is obsessed with not being taken out of the game.  For some reason, I take his comments and this obsession with being worried about Cousins, and I have no clue why.

He didn't want to be taken out of the game, and AT THAT POINT, his knee was fine.  He limped similarly last week against Dallas. 

JamesHenderson wrote:

dunlow66 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote: Why should Shanahan be fired for this? Because his center had a bad snap? Give me a break.

The only thing anyone could be mad at Shanahan for is not pulling RG3 based on performance.

I think the kid already had a some sprained knee ligaments to begin with. Shanahan was not looking out for the best interest of his star QB. Like I said, I am not a Skins fan and dont care who their coach is, but I think a players health should come first. Maybe my knee problems have caused some bias on my part, but knee injuries are very hard to rehab and can sometimes never be fixed completely. Anyone who doesn't agree that Shanahan put his player at unnecessary risk is free to do so, Not going to change what I feel about it though.

RG3 is obsessed with not being taken out of the game.  For some reason, I take his comments and this obsession with being worried about Cousins, and I have no clue why.

He didn't want to be taken out of the game, and AT THAT POINT, his knee was fine.  He limped similarly last week against Dallas. 

santepack wrote:
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--- dunlow66 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote: Why should Shanahan be fired for this? Because his center had a bad snap? Give me a break.

The only thing anyone could be mad at Shanahan for is not pulling RG3 based on performance.

I think the kid already had a some sprained knee ligaments to begin with. Shanahan was not looking out for the best interest of his star QB. Like I said, I am not a Skins fan and dont care who their coach is, but I think a players health should come first. Maybe my knee problems have caused some bias on my part, but knee injuries are very hard to rehab and can sometimes never be fixed completely. Anyone who doesn't agree that Shanahan put his player at unnecessary risk is free to do so, Not going to change what I feel about it though.

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But Philip Rivers was celebrated for playing a championship game against the Pats with a confirmed torn acl or mcl...

Me thinks all the angst is more about losing the game and blaming the coach than some sudden concern for the health of a QB.

Next week the NFL should demand all potentially injured players be benched. That would be fun to watch!

AlabamaPacker wrote: The only decision I question is to run Morris a paltry 16 times. I thought he should have gotten 30+ carries, irrespective of who was under center.


With that said, full credit to Seattle. They didn't fold under the initial pressure and made enough plays to win. I still think Pete Carroll is an a-hole of epic proportions, but I am happy for the State guys on the roster.

otis4411 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote:

dunlow66 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote: Why should Shanahan be fired for this? Because his center had a bad snap? Give me a break.

The only thing anyone could be mad at Shanahan for is not pulling RG3 based on performance.

I think the kid already had a some sprained knee ligaments to begin with. Shanahan was not looking out for the best interest of his star QB. Like I said, I am not a Skins fan and dont care who their coach is, but I think a players health should come first. Maybe my knee problems have caused some bias on my part, but knee injuries are very hard to rehab and can sometimes never be fixed completely. Anyone who doesn't agree that Shanahan put his player at unnecessary risk is free to do so, Not going to change what I feel about it though.

RG3 is obsessed with not being taken out of the game.  For some reason, I take his comments and this obsession with being worried about Cousins, and I have no clue why.

He didn't want to be taken out of the game, and AT THAT POINT, his knee was fine.  He limped similarly last week against Dallas. 

 He hasn't thrown for 329yds. Cousins did in 1 start.

I said all along Cousins should have been playing when they went up 14-0.

Hell,I think Cousins could have won the games against Philly and Dallas.  It wasn't like RG3 was lights out in those games.

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

moocowTuckoo wrote:

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RedLight wrote:

JaegerWolf wrote:

RedLight wrote:

wolfsmack wrote: @MattFaulconer10: Fred Smoot on the Fan reporting that he "heard from people in the building" that RG3 has a torn ACL / PCL. Confirming @HTTR24_7 report.

After seeing the cringe inducing replays I would be surprised if that is all he tore.  Dude's going to need a new knee.  Someone told me this is the same knee he tore in college as well.

This is potentially career ending.  If Griffin can't effectively run he becomes an average QB.  Griffin should have been benched when he first injured the knee.  It's not like Washington was going to win the Super Bowl (or even sniff the conference final) this year.

Bull crap. Seattle is better than Atlanta. Whoever won the Seattle/Washington game had a good shot to go to the NFC final.

Well, Washington wasn't going to beat Seattle even with a healthy Griffin.  And while ATL is suspect, they have more enough to beat a Redskin team that only got into the playoffs because their division was pathetically weak.

Based on what actually happened in the game last night, that statement is pretty silly.

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Dude, Seattle's offense pounded the **** out of the redskins defense.

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

goturbackpack66 wrote: I agree, we are not experts, but it was painfully obvious, that RG3, was just another hit from being further injured. As i watched that game last night, I kept on saying take him out!!! I give RG3 credit, and I admire him for doing whatever he could, but it was completely stupid. He is a warrior, but a 20% RG3 is probably a compliment. I always had concerns that RG3 would not last long, because of his demeanor. What a great talent he is, or maybe was, but the mentality of his play, has caught up with him. Yeah, he's young and he can come back, I think, but if he continues to try to be the hero, and make bad decisions, he will spend more time on the sidelines. When RG3 is healthy?  What a talented guy!!!

JamesHenderson wrote:

dunlow66 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote: Why should Shanahan be fired for this? Because his center had a bad snap? Give me a break.

The only thing anyone could be mad at Shanahan for is not pulling RG3 based on performance.

I think the kid already had a some sprained knee ligaments to begin with. Shanahan was not looking out for the best interest of his star QB. Like I said, I am not a Skins fan and dont care who their coach is, but I think a players health should come first. Maybe my knee problems have caused some bias on my part, but knee injuries are very hard to rehab and can sometimes never be fixed completely. Anyone who doesn't agree that Shanahan put his player at unnecessary risk is free to do so, Not going to change what I feel about it though.

RG3 is obsessed with not being taken out of the game.  For some reason, I take his comments and this obsession with being worried about Cousins, and I have no clue why.

He didn't want to be taken out of the game, and AT THAT POINT, his knee was fine.  He limped similarly last week against Dallas. 

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

Planet Boulder wrote:

moocowTuckoo wrote:

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--- JaegerWolf wrote:

RedLight wrote:

JaegerWolf wrote:

RedLight wrote:

wolfsmack wrote: @MattFaulconer10: Fred Smoot on the Fan reporting that he "heard from people in the building" that RG3 has a torn ACL / PCL. Confirming @HTTR24_7 report.

After seeing the cringe inducing replays I would be surprised if that is all he tore.  Dude's going to need a new knee.  Someone told me this is the same knee he tore in college as well.

This is potentially career ending.  If Griffin can't effectively run he becomes an average QB.  Griffin should have been benched when he first injured the knee.  It's not like Washington was going to win the Super Bowl (or even sniff the conference final) this year.

Bull crap. Seattle is better than Atlanta. Whoever won the Seattle/Washington game had a good shot to go to the NFC final.

Well, Washington wasn't going to beat Seattle even with a healthy Griffin.  And while ATL is suspect, they have more enough to beat a Redskin team that only got into the playoffs because their division was pathetically weak.

Based on what actually happened in the game last night, that statement is pretty silly.

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Dude, Seattle's offense pounded the **** out of the redskins defense.

And made enough stupid, foot-shooting mistakes to allow the Redskins to remain in it for much of the game. With a healthy RGIII, the Redskins would have won that game.

RW made some VERY poor decisions on consecutive drives when he held the ball too long.

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

JamesHenderson wrote:

dunlow66 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote: Why should Shanahan be fired for this? Because his center had a bad snap? Give me a break.

The only thing anyone could be mad at Shanahan for is not pulling RG3 based on performance.

I think the kid already had a some sprained knee ligaments to begin with. Shanahan was not looking out for the best interest of his star QB. Like I said, I am not a Skins fan and dont care who their coach is, but I think a players health should come first. Maybe my knee problems have caused some bias on my part, but knee injuries are very hard to rehab and can sometimes never be fixed completely. Anyone who doesn't agree that Shanahan put his player at unnecessary risk is free to do so, Not going to change what I feel about it though.

RG3 is obsessed with not being taken out of the game.  For some reason, I take his comments and this obsession with being worried about Cousins, and I have no clue why.

He didn't want to be taken out of the game, and AT THAT POINT, his knee was fine.  He limped similarly last week against Dallas. 

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

Daniel33 wrote:

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

The "is he worth it" debate will never end.  If I were a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't think that any player was worth that much....especially a rookie.  The only time I think it's worth giving that much up for someone is if you're on a team that needs that one special piece to be a contender.  Washington didn't fit that description.

Two of the four picks Washington gave up have been used.  Morris Claiborne and Janoris Jenkins were picked.  The 2013 pick will be #22.  As a Panther fan who watched my team give up two 1st round picks for Sean Gilbert, I can tell you that not having first round picks sucks.

Griffin III needs to have a Brady-esque career to be "worth it", and I'm just not convinced he has that type of potential.

Daniel33 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote:

dunlow66 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote: Why should Shanahan be fired for this? Because his center had a bad snap? Give me a break.

The only thing anyone could be mad at Shanahan for is not pulling RG3 based on performance.

I think the kid already had a some sprained knee ligaments to begin with. Shanahan was not looking out for the best interest of his star QB. Like I said, I am not a Skins fan and dont care who their coach is, but I think a players health should come first. Maybe my knee problems have caused some bias on my part, but knee injuries are very hard to rehab and can sometimes never be fixed completely. Anyone who doesn't agree that Shanahan put his player at unnecessary risk is free to do so, Not going to change what I feel about it though.

RG3 is obsessed with not being taken out of the game.  For some reason, I take his comments and this obsession with being worried about Cousins, and I have no clue why.

He didn't want to be taken out of the game, and AT THAT POINT, his knee was fine.  He limped similarly last week against Dallas. 

I think it's because of the non-traditional offense the Redskins run with him.  If Cousins comes in, and they go with a more traditional pro-style offense, I could see him being afraid that the coaches would prefer to go with that as long as they are winning.

I don't think it would ever happen, because it's Dan Snyder's team and marketing matters to him.  RGIII will play, period.  If Snyder owned the Seahawks it's very likely that Matt Flynn would have started over Russell Wilson.

daveconifer wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

The "is he worth it" debate will never end.  If I were a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't think that any player was worth that much....especially a rookie.  The only time I think it's worth giving that much up for someone is if you're on a team that needs that one special piece to be a contender.  Washington didn't fit that description.

Two of the four picks Washington gave up have been used.  Morris Claiborne and Janoris Jenkins were picked.  The 2013 pick will be #22.  As a Panther fan who watched my team give up two 1st round picks for Sean Gilbert, I can tell you that not having first round picks sucks.

Griffin III needs to have a Brady-esque career to be "worth it", and I'm just not convinced he has that type of potential.

To me it's pretty simple.  If he can be the RGIII he was before the knee problems, it was worth twice that many first round picks.  Put a solid run game and a couple good receivers on that team with a healthy RGIII and it's an unstoppable offense.  But as a longtime Skins fan, I'm truly worried that he can stay healthy.  A limping RGIII is a completely different story, as we saw in the second half on Sunday.

Daniel33 wrote:

daveconifer wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

The "is he worth it" debate will never end.  If I were a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't think that any player was worth that much....especially a rookie.  The only time I think it's worth giving that much up for someone is if you're on a team that needs that one special piece to be a contender.  Washington didn't fit that description.

Two of the four picks Washington gave up have been used.  Morris Claiborne and Janoris Jenkins were picked.  The 2013 pick will be #22.  As a Panther fan who watched my team give up two 1st round picks for Sean Gilbert, I can tell you that not having first round picks sucks.

Griffin III needs to have a Brady-esque career to be "worth it", and I'm just not convinced he has that type of potential.

To me it's pretty simple.  If he can be the RGIII he was before the knee problems, it was worth twice that many first round picks.  Put a solid run game and a couple good receivers on that team with a healthy RGIII and it's an unstoppable offense.  But as a longtime Skins fan, I'm truly worried that he can stay healthy.  A limping RGIII is a completely different story, as we saw in the second half on Sunday.

I don't think the Redskins have "bad" WR now.  The problem, at times, seems to be that Griffin can't hit NFL-open WR.  The windows in the NFL are often smaller, and he doesn't seem to make some of the throws into those windows.

Their offense relies on play action and roll-outs and the run threat to get guys wide open, instead of dropping back and putting the ball in a tight spot.

The knee problems aren't new.  He was injured at Baylor.  The question becomes how you view RGIII's longevity.  Running backs in the NFL have historically short careers, and Griffin tends to take hits like a RB.  If he's out of the league (or just a lot slower and, as a result, less effective) by the time he's 30, then I don't think he's worth the 3 extra picks by a long shot.  If you give up that much, you need to be getting the 15 year face of your franchise.

Daniel33 wrote:

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

The "is he worth it" debate will never end.  If I were a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't think that any player was worth that much....especially a rookie.  The only time I think it's worth giving that much up for someone is if you're on a team that needs that one special piece to be a contender.  Washington didn't fit that description.

Two of the four picks Washington gave up have been used.  Morris Claiborne and Janoris Jenkins were picked.  The 2013 pick will be #22.  As a Panther fan who watched my team give up two 1st round picks for Sean Gilbert, I can tell you that not having first round picks sucks.

Griffin III needs to have a Brady-esque career to be "worth it", and I'm just not convinced he has that type of potential.

FeloniousQ wrote: By the same token, the 31 other teams picked 172 players before Alfred Morris. Regardless of whether you think trading up for Griffin was a bad deal, that good deal might balance it out.

The Skins added Griffin and Morris in the draft and went from 6 wins and dead last in the division to 10 wins and first. I think if you'd presented that deal to Skins fans this time last year they would take it in a heartbeat.

NCSUGa wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

daveconifer wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

The "is he worth it" debate will never end.  If I were a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't think that any player was worth that much....especially a rookie.  The only time I think it's worth giving that much up for someone is if you're on a team that needs that one special piece to be a contender.  Washington didn't fit that description.

Two of the four picks Washington gave up have been used.  Morris Claiborne and Janoris Jenkins were picked.  The 2013 pick will be #22.  As a Panther fan who watched my team give up two 1st round picks for Sean Gilbert, I can tell you that not having first round picks sucks.

Griffin III needs to have a Brady-esque career to be "worth it", and I'm just not convinced he has that type of potential.

To me it's pretty simple.  If he can be the RGIII he was before the knee problems, it was worth twice that many first round picks.  Put a solid run game and a couple good receivers on that team with a healthy RGIII and it's an unstoppable offense.  But as a longtime Skins fan, I'm truly worried that he can stay healthy.  A limping RGIII is a completely different story, as we saw in the second half on Sunday.

I don't think the Redskins have "bad" WR now.  The problem, at times, seems to be that Griffin can't hit NFL-open WR.  The windows in the NFL are often smaller, and he doesn't seem to make some of the throws into those windows.

Their offense relies on play action and roll-outs and the run threat to get guys wide open, instead of dropping back and putting the ball in a tight spot.

The knee problems aren't new.  He was injured at Baylor.  The question becomes how you view RGIII's longevity.  Running backs in the NFL have historically short careers, and Griffin tends to take hits like a RB.  If he's out of the league (or just a lot slower and, as a result, less effective) by the time he's 30, then I don't think he's worth the 3 extra picks by a long shot.  If you give up that much, you need to be getting the 15 year face of your franchise.

Having watched every snap this year, RG3 can make all the throws.  This offense gets guys wide open so he doesn't always have to but that doesn't mean he can't.  He had some beautiful throws intop tight spaces.  His running ability pulls the safety up so guys are wide open behind it so of course he is going to hit those guys.  That shouldn't count against him but is instead a positive and it makes the offense that much better.  What he needs to learn is that it's ok to slide or get out of bounds.  Take the 10 yard run and don't go for the home run every time.  That's what Russell does so well. 

As far as whether he is "worth it".  We hadn't won our division in 13 years!  We were dead last for 4 straight years.  We haven't had a franchise quarterback in 30 years.  There is no combination of players we could have taken with those picks who would have had the same impact as RG3.  Will it last, maybe not but that doesn't mean it wasn't worth the shot.

We def. didn't have to give up anything for a 1,600-yard rusher in Alfred Morris.  He played a big role in us winning the division too (not to mention the rest of the division being trash).

My hope is RG3 can progress to the point where his running ability is a luxury and not the reason for him being successful.

NCSUfan81 wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

The "is he worth it" debate will never end.  If I were a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't think that any player was worth that much....especially a rookie.  The only time I think it's worth giving that much up for someone is if you're on a team that needs that one special piece to be a contender.  Washington didn't fit that description.

Two of the four picks Washington gave up have been used.  Morris Claiborne and Janoris Jenkins were picked.  The 2013 pick will be #22.  As a Panther fan who watched my team give up two 1st round picks for Sean Gilbert, I can tell you that not having first round picks sucks.

Griffin III needs to have a Brady-esque career to be "worth it", and I'm just not convinced he has that type of potential.

How did Washington not fit that description?  Granted they added a little more than just RG3, but I don't see how you could say they weren't a contender this year.  If RG3 had stayed healthy I think they had a decent shot at making the Super Bowl this year.

NCSUGa wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

daveconifer wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

The "is he worth it" debate will never end.  If I were a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't think that any player was worth that much....especially a rookie.  The only time I think it's worth giving that much up for someone is if you're on a team that needs that one special piece to be a contender.  Washington didn't fit that description.

Two of the four picks Washington gave up have been used.  Morris Claiborne and Janoris Jenkins were picked.  The 2013 pick will be #22.  As a Panther fan who watched my team give up two 1st round picks for Sean Gilbert, I can tell you that not having first round picks sucks.

Griffin III needs to have a Brady-esque career to be "worth it", and I'm just not convinced he has that type of potential.

To me it's pretty simple.  If he can be the RGIII he was before the knee problems, it was worth twice that many first round picks.  Put a solid run game and a couple good receivers on that team with a healthy RGIII and it's an unstoppable offense.  But as a longtime Skins fan, I'm truly worried that he can stay healthy.  A limping RGIII is a completely different story, as we saw in the second half on Sunday.

I don't think the Redskins have "bad" WR now.  The problem, at times, seems to be that Griffin can't hit NFL-open WR.  The windows in the NFL are often smaller, and he doesn't seem to make some of the throws into those windows.

Their offense relies on play action and roll-outs and the run threat to get guys wide open, instead of dropping back and putting the ball in a tight spot.

The knee problems aren't new.  He was injured at Baylor.  The question becomes how you view RGIII's longevity.  Running backs in the NFL have historically short careers, and Griffin tends to take hits like a RB.  If he's out of the league (or just a lot slower and, as a result, less effective) by the time he's 30, then I don't think he's worth the 3 extra picks by a long shot.  If you give up that much, you need to be getting the 15 year face of your franchise.

Having watched every snap this year, RG3 can make all the throws.  This offense gets guys wide open so he doesn't always have to but that doesn't mean he can't.  He had some beautiful throws intop tight spaces.  His running ability pulls the safety up so guys are wide open behind it so of course he is going to hit those guys.  That shouldn't count against him but is instead a positive and it makes the offense that much better.  What he needs to learn is that it's ok to slide or get out of bounds.  Take the 10 yard run and don't go for the home run every time.  That's what Russell does so well. 

As far as whether he is "worth it".  We hadn't won our division in 13 years!  We were dead last for 4 straight years.  We haven't had a franchise quarterback in 30 years.  There is no combination of players we could have taken with those picks who would have had the same impact as RG3.  Will it last, maybe not but that doesn't mean it wasn't worth the shot.

NCSUfan81 wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

The "is he worth it" debate will never end.  If I were a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't think that any player was worth that much....especially a rookie.  The only time I think it's worth giving that much up for someone is if you're on a team that needs that one special piece to be a contender.  Washington didn't fit that description.

Two of the four picks Washington gave up have been used.  Morris Claiborne and Janoris Jenkins were picked.  The 2013 pick will be #22.  As a Panther fan who watched my team give up two 1st round picks for Sean Gilbert, I can tell you that not having first round picks sucks.

Griffin III needs to have a Brady-esque career to be "worth it", and I'm just not convinced he has that type of potential.

How did Washington not fit that description?  Granted they added a little more than just RG3, but I don't see how you could say they weren't a contender this year.  If RG3 had stayed healthy I think they had a decent shot at making the Super Bowl this year.

JamesHenderson wrote:

dunlow66 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote: Why should Shanahan be fired for this? Because his center had a bad snap? Give me a break.

The only thing anyone could be mad at Shanahan for is not pulling RG3 based on performance.

I think the kid already had a some sprained knee ligaments to begin with. Shanahan was not looking out for the best interest of his star QB. Like I said, I am not a Skins fan and dont care who their coach is, but I think a players health should come first. Maybe my knee problems have caused some bias on my part, but knee injuries are very hard to rehab and can sometimes never be fixed completely. Anyone who doesn't agree that Shanahan put his player at unnecessary risk is free to do so, Not going to change what I feel about it though.

RG3 is obsessed with not being taken out of the game.  For some reason, I take his comments and this obsession with being worried about Cousins, and I have no clue why.

He didn't want to be taken out of the game, and AT THAT POINT, his knee was fine.  He limped similarly last week against Dallas. 

JamesHenderson wrote:

NCSUGa wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

daveconifer wrote:

Daniel33 wrote:

glenn1 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

AlabamaPacker wrote:

boeingrashmi wrote: RG3 is not built to play the style he plays. Thats why Cam > RG3

So you think that Cam could take a hit on the knee from Haloti N'Gata and NOT sprain his LCL?

Newton is a heck of a lot bigger (and sturdier) than Griffin, so yeah. 

Griffin has not been very durable.  Sunday was what, the third?, game he's been knocked out of in one season.  I posted in the pregame thread that Griffin is likely to have a short NFL career.  Unfortunately, I may be right. 

The 'Skins screwed up royally by giving up so much to take Griffin.  No way he was worth two first rounders.  The fact that RW looks to be a better QB and could of been had for nothing only rubs salt in the wound.

Screwed up royally??  LOL. He suffered a concussion and a sprained ACL in making it through one of the great rookie seasons for a QB (along with R Wilson and Luck) in the NFL and now suddenly he is a bust? Get real.  Actually 3 first rounders and a second were spent to acquire him and he is worth it.

Ironically, I saw R Wilson crumple to the ground with a concussion against Clemson a few years ago and a bunch of idiots were on here talking about him being too fragile and small.

The "is he worth it" debate will never end.  If I were a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't think that any player was worth that much....especially a rookie.  The only time I think it's worth giving that much up for someone is if you're on a team that needs that one special piece to be a contender.  Washington didn't fit that description.

Two of the four picks Washington gave up have been used.  Morris Claiborne and Janoris Jenkins were picked.  The 2013 pick will be #22.  As a Panther fan who watched my team give up two 1st round picks for Sean Gilbert, I can tell you that not having first round picks sucks.

Griffin III needs to have a Brady-esque career to be "worth it", and I'm just not convinced he has that type of potential.

To me it's pretty simple.  If he can be the RGIII he was before the knee problems, it was worth twice that many first round picks.  Put a solid run game and a couple good receivers on that team with a healthy RGIII and it's an unstoppable offense.  But as a longtime Skins fan, I'm truly worried that he can stay healthy.  A limping RGIII is a completely different story, as we saw in the second half on Sunday.

I don't think the Redskins have "bad" WR now.  The problem, at times, seems to be that Griffin can't hit NFL-open WR.  The windows in the NFL are often smaller, and he doesn't seem to make some of the throws into those windows.

Their offense relies on play action and roll-outs and the run threat to get guys wide open, instead of dropping back and putting the ball in a tight spot.

The knee problems aren't new.  He was injured at Baylor.  The question becomes how you view RGIII's longevity.  Running backs in the NFL have historically short careers, and Griffin tends to take hits like a RB.  If he's out of the league (or just a lot slower and, as a result, less effective) by the time he's 30, then I don't think he's worth the 3 extra picks by a long shot.  If you give up that much, you need to be getting the 15 year face of your franchise.

Having watched every snap this year, RG3 can make all the throws.  This offense gets guys wide open so he doesn't always have to but that doesn't mean he can't.  He had some beautiful throws intop tight spaces.  His running ability pulls the safety up so guys are wide open behind it so of course he is going to hit those guys.  That shouldn't count against him but is instead a positive and it makes the offense that much better.  What he needs to learn is that it's ok to slide or get out of bounds.  Take the 10 yard run and don't go for the home run every time.  That's what Russell does so well. 

As far as whether he is "worth it".  We hadn't won our division in 13 years!  We were dead last for 4 straight years.  We haven't had a franchise quarterback in 30 years.  There is no combination of players we could have taken with those picks who would have had the same impact as RG3.  Will it last, maybe not but that doesn't mean it wasn't worth the shot.

We def. didn't have to give up anything for a 1,600-yard rusher in Alfred Morris.  He played a big role in us winning the division too (not to mention the rest of the division being trash).

My hope is RG3 can progress to the point where his running ability is a luxury and not the reason for him being successful.

Gopack80 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote:

We def. didn't have to give up anything for a 1,600-yard rusher in Alfred Morris.  He played a big role in us winning the division too (not to mention the rest of the division being trash).

My hope is RG3 can progress to the point where his running ability is a luxury and not the reason for him being successful.

I don't think it is.  He had some games this year where he didn't run the ball much and still won with his game management.  Tampa game comes to mind.

WolfStock wrote:

Gopack80 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote:

We def. didn't have to give up anything for a 1,600-yard rusher in Alfred Morris.  He played a big role in us winning the division too (not to mention the rest of the division being trash).

My hope is RG3 can progress to the point where his running ability is a luxury and not the reason for him being successful.

I don't think it is.  He had some games this year where he didn't run the ball much and still won with his game management.  Tampa game comes to mind.

Thing is though - even in games where he didn't run much, the threat of him running was a big factor.

The Seahawks showed what happens when you take away RGIII as a threat to run.  For starters you can blitz a lot more successfully.

Without his running ability RGIII would still be a good QB, he just wouldn't be the superstar that he's capable of.