StateGrad wrote: I'd be surprised if they were competitive in pursuing Parise now that they have some serious money tied up in J. Staal. They might surprise me but for a team that's not usually a big spender to have more than a couple all-stars is rare. I think they pursue a lower-level FA instead.

The Hurricanes still have to get to the salary floor.  Even with brining in Staal, the Canes still have a huge salary deficit that needs to be met because of lost contracts.  The Canes have spend at a minimum $9 million more.

I want to see what we do for centers and on defense. I was really surprised they resigned McBain for that much. This offseason has the chance to get really interesting. They really did give up a lot for Staal.

The Canes paid far below the going rate for McBain.

The wild card in all of this salary cap discussion is that there isn't a deal in place between the players and owners. There could still be a lockout this fall to create new, lower spending rules.

rollinsox007 wrote: I want to see what we do for centers and on defense. I was really surprised they resigned McBain for that much. This offseason has the chance to get really interesting. They really did give up a lot for Staal.

Sorry, we don't do defensemen. (Unless you can say "puck moving" or "offensive minded" before it)

wolfpackernc wrote: The wild card in all of this salary cap discussion is that there isn't a deal in place between the players and owners. There could still be a lockout this fall to create new, lower spending rules.

possibly, but under the current CBA, the cap floor is 54 million the canes are only at 45 million.

JaegerWolf wrote:

rollinsox007 wrote: I want to see what we do for centers and on defense. I was really surprised they resigned McBain for that much. This offseason has the chance to get really interesting. They really did give up a lot for Staal.

Sorry, we don't do defensemen. (Unless you can say "puck moving" or "offensive minded" before it)

Paul Maurice is no longer the coach.

JaegerWolf wrote:

rollinsox007 wrote: I want to see what we do for centers and on defense. I was really surprised they resigned McBain for that much. This offseason has the chance to get really interesting. They really did give up a lot for Staal.

Sorry, we don't do defensemen. (Unless you can say "puck moving" or "offensive minded" before it)

you think Tim Gleason is an "offensive minded" or "puck moving" d-man?

RedWolfII wrote:

JaegerWolf wrote:

rollinsox007 wrote: I want to see what we do for centers and on defense. I was really surprised they resigned McBain for that much. This offseason has the chance to get really interesting. They really did give up a lot for Staal.

Sorry, we don't do defensemen. (Unless you can say "puck moving" or "offensive minded" before it)

you think Tim Gleason is an "offensive minded" or "puck moving" d-man?

I think Tim Gleason needs some help.

In response to my earlier post and it makes sense when another poster said we still have to spend $9m more at a minimum. I am a big Canes fan but I don't really follow other teams. If the canes at playing, I ain't watching. But when this guy mentioned this other name to me I was like really? Everyone one be thrilled if we got him. We will see if it really happens or not because it would have to be another big trade.

Who, Bobby Ryan?

Canes are actually at about $47.5 million on the cap right now after Jordan was added in. They still have to hit $54 million so that leave about $6.5 million to go.

A couple of players that could sway the cap with trade possibilities:
1. Trade LaRose - $1.7 mill
2. Trade Joslin - $700k
3. Trade Stewart - $900k

Move all three, and that adds up to $3.3 million in room to make it roughly $9.8 million to spend.

Now, what do you do then. Moving Joslin means you have 5 D men if neither Spacek or Allen signs to come back. You have to get a D man. Do you promote from the ranks and bring up Murphy as the 6th man? Bringing Murphy up would be a $1.4 million hit to take the number to $8.4 million.

If Murphy does come up then you can focus on offense. Do you try and bring back Whitney at his price for last year? If so, that's $3 million and now you're talking just over $5 million left to spend. Who out there would be in that range? Semin was $6.7m last year, Nash was $8.2m, Parise was $6m and will probably get over $7m from Detroit or Pitt, and Bobby Ryan was $5.5m.

Guess I saw it minus J. Staal. Either way, that is a hefty chunk of change the Canes need to spend just to get to the floor. With the way the Canes are going, I don't see them playing at the floor this year.

crusherl wrote: 
A couple of players that could sway the cap with trade possibilities:
1. Trade LaRose - $1.7 mill
2. Trade Joslin - $700k
3. Trade Stewart - $900k

These guys will fetch nothing in return - even lumped together. Seriously quantity will not bring quality.

Best we can hope for is someone floats us a forth rd pick maybe better. Then we give some of the Checkers a chance to make the roster - saving some money to throw at Parise, Nash ....etc

Motorcat wrote:

crusherl wrote: 
A couple of players that could sway the cap with trade possibilities:
1. Trade LaRose - $1.7 mill
2. Trade Joslin - $700k
3. Trade Stewart - $900k

These guys will fetch nothing in return - even lumped together. Seriously quantity will not bring quality.

Best we can hope for is someone floats us a forth rd pick maybe better. Then we give some of the Checkers a chance to make the roster - saving some money to throw at Parise, Nash ....etc

I'm not expecting much back either, but getting them off the books opens up a bigger signing and does exactly what you hope, lure a big name with money and bring up the young guys.

you could probably get rid of joslin and Stewart for future considerations and LaRose for a late round draft pick.

I think we'd have a better shot at Semin than Parise, but I'll believe when I see it in terms of us getting either of them. Would be awesome, but I just can't see it happening. Andrei Kostitsyn would be a nice addition, I don't think Nashville will keep him.

I know Bobby Ryan's name has been tossed around on here. Doesn't look like he's a possibility for us though.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog...p-Again/1/45184

wolfpack87 wrote: I think we'd have a better shot at Semin than Parise, but I'll believe when I see it in terms of us getting either of them. Would be awesome, but I just can't see it happening. Andrei Kostitsyn would be a nice addition, I don't think Nashville will keep him.

I say we make a run at a guy like P.A. Parenteau then go after some defensive help in the shape of Hal Gill.  Hell, also make a run at Whitney and bring him back and pair him up with Staal.

Ugh, Semin and Koitstisyn are the last two guys I would want. Neither has the character to play for this team in this locker room.

Semin will end up in Russia

partizanpack wrote:

wolfpack87 wrote: I think we'd have a better shot at Semin than Parise, but I'll believe when I see it in terms of us getting either of them. Would be awesome, but I just can't see it happening. Andrei Kostitsyn would be a nice addition, I don't think Nashville will keep him.

I say we make a run at a guy like P.A. Parenteau then go after some defensive help in the shape of Hal Gill.  Hell, also make a run at Whitney and bring him back and pair him up with Staal.

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I know Bobby Ryan's name has been tossed around on here. Doesn't look like he's a possibility for us though.

www.hockeybuzz.com/blog...p-Again/1/45184

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Hockeybuzz.com is a rumor site. Not sure I'd take anything from there as even remotely factual. No matter if it's an E1 or a E5 rumor :). Enjoyable site, but take it for what it is.

Doubt the Canes make another significant trade. If they add another winger to pair with one of the Staal lines, I would think it will come from UFA and not be someone with a huge price tag.

Oh well if Rutherford says it then by all means - tell the HOF.

RedWolfII wrote:

Jrb599 wrote: Which is why I said over 50 points.  He's good for sure, but he's not elite.

crusherl wrote:

Jrb599 wrote: Jordan Staal is an elite player?  He's never scored over 50 points in a season.  Nothing elite about that.

RedWolfII wrote:

FeloniousQ wrote: J. Staal is a cup winner and proven scorer who will probably also make Eric happier. I have never been high on Sutter, so I think at the very least that part of the trade is even. Who knows what Doumelin would have been in the pros. Like someone said, when a proven player WANTS to play here, we would be fools not to do it for want of a bunch of maybes and never-will-bes

+this. i love Sutter and what he brings, but he is not an elite player. JStaal is. it was also bantered that the prospect D-man was gonna be Murphy. i'd rather lose Dumoulin than Murphy, no doubt.

He actually scored 50 pts this year (25g,25a) and has scored over 40 pts 3 other years including two years of 49 pts.

Sutter has never scored over 40 pts.

“Jordan is an elite two-way player who possesses a rare combination of speed, size, scoring ability and defensive responsibility,” said Rutherford. “For his young age, he has a wealth of NHL experience, including winning the Stanley Cup with Pittsburgh in 2009. And he is obviously a natural fit for our team in joining our captain, his older brother Eric.

The only way the Canes could make another major trade would have to involve Ryan Murphy and probably at least 1 first rounder going forward.

Gutting the system of 3 first rounders like that (last year's in Murphy, this year's for Staal and next years) would mean the Canes MUST win now. Certainly, with Senior Staal and Ward in their primes, you don't want to miss the window, but it's a big risk for a franchise not known for them in general.

Kinda upset that the Blackhawks dont make a return trip this year. I had tickets 2 years ago and couldn't go because of the snow.

I know this will not happen, but since we need to spend to get to cap floor and the cap floor is only going to go up each season, I say make a run at Suter or Weber from the Preds and get a very solid #1 D guy.

It appears that we might be at the floor already. The next CBA will in all likelihood lower the cap to about the $60 million range and that is the number the GMs are going with.

Hall of Fame announces this years class:

Sakic, Sundin, Oates, Bure (Pavel, not Valeri)

Oates also named as the Caps head coach today.

Jrb599 wrote: Oh well if Rutherford says it then by all means - tell the HOF.

RedWolfII wrote:

Jrb599 wrote: Which is why I said over 50 points.  He's good for sure, but he's not elite.

crusherl wrote:

Jrb599 wrote: Jordan Staal is an elite player?  He's never scored over 50 points in a season.  Nothing elite about that.

RedWolfII wrote:

FeloniousQ wrote: J. Staal is a cup winner and proven scorer who will probably also make Eric happier. I have never been high on Sutter, so I think at the very least that part of the trade is even. Who knows what Doumelin would have been in the pros. Like someone said, when a proven player WANTS to play here, we would be fools not to do it for want of a bunch of maybes and never-will-bes

+this. i love Sutter and what he brings, but he is not an elite player. JStaal is. it was also bantered that the prospect D-man was gonna be Murphy. i'd rather lose Dumoulin than Murphy, no doubt.

He actually scored 50 pts this year (25g,25a) and has scored over 40 pts 3 other years including two years of 49 pts.

Sutter has never scored over 40 pts.

“Jordan is an elite two-way player who possesses a rare combination of speed, size, scoring ability and defensive responsibility,” said Rutherford. “For his young age, he has a wealth of NHL experience, including winning the Stanley Cup with Pittsburgh in 2009. And he is obviously a natural fit for our team in joining our captain, his older brother Eric.

he would have easily scored 30 goals if he hadn't missed 20 games. how many 3rd line forwards have done that?

^ He wasn't a 3rd line guy last year. Crosby missed the entire season, making Jordan the #2 center.

But he didn't play third line center most of the year - with Crosby out for a good part of the season he was the number 2 center. 

The more I look and think about this deal the more I think it favors Pitts. Staal and Sutter just months apart in age and imo the talent gap does favor Staal but not overwhelmingly.

Maybe we cut ties with Sutter too soon. A chance to center the 2nd line should of been given. Sutter excelled in shoot outs and scored some clutch goals as well as playing some tenacious defense.

Lets hope the trade spurs some sibling rivalry amongst the Staal brothers cause I think we might of cut bait to soon.

I'm betting Sutter excels in Pittsburgh - just because guys seem to flourish once the are out from the Hurricanes umbrella.

Durability is a huge part of the game.  He's missed 60 games in the last two seasons.  

bppack wrote:

Jrb599 wrote: Oh well if Rutherford says it then by all means - tell the HOF.

RedWolfII wrote:

Jrb599 wrote: Which is why I said over 50 points.  He's good for sure, but he's not elite.

crusherl wrote:

Jrb599 wrote: Jordan Staal is an elite player?  He's never scored over 50 points in a season.  Nothing elite about that.

RedWolfII wrote:

FeloniousQ wrote: J. Staal is a cup winner and proven scorer who will probably also make Eric happier. I have never been high on Sutter, so I think at the very least that part of the trade is even. Who knows what Doumelin would have been in the pros. Like someone said, when a proven player WANTS to play here, we would be fools not to do it for want of a bunch of maybes and never-will-bes

+this. i love Sutter and what he brings, but he is not an elite player. JStaal is. it was also bantered that the prospect D-man was gonna be Murphy. i'd rather lose Dumoulin than Murphy, no doubt.

He actually scored 50 pts this year (25g,25a) and has scored over 40 pts 3 other years including two years of 49 pts.

Sutter has never scored over 40 pts.

“Jordan is an elite two-way player who possesses a rare combination of speed, size, scoring ability and defensive responsibility,” said Rutherford. “For his young age, he has a wealth of NHL experience, including winning the Stanley Cup with Pittsburgh in 2009. And he is obviously a natural fit for our team in joining our captain, his older brother Eric.

he would have easily scored 30 goals if he hadn't missed 20 games. how many 3rd line forwards have done that?

You guys sure you're remembering Brandon Sutter and not one of his relatives?

Because I remember a guy too small (J staal is one inch shorter and FORTY pounds heavier), not physical enough on a team constantly outtoughed, and who struggled to break the 30 pt barrier.

I'm not sure how many "chances" he needs. This is going to be his fifth season at the NHL level. Plenty of players have managed to prove themselves in four years.

I'll thank him for his character and his good attitude, and then I'll welcome a Calder finalist, Selke finalist, and Cup winner that will sell tickets in a market that will increasingly need it.

Really, because I remember a player who played for a coach that doesn't develop talent or really ever give a player a chance. Sutter will thrive in Pittsburgh.

FeloniousQ wrote: You guys sure you're remembering Brandon Sutter and not one of his relatives?

Because I remember a guy too small (J staal is one inch shorter and FORTY pounds heavier), not physical enough on a team constantly outtoughed, and who struggled to break the 30 pt barrier.

I'm not sure how many "chances" he needs. This is going to be his fifth season at the NHL level. Plenty of players have managed to prove themselves in four years.

I'll thank him for his character and his good attitude, and then I'll welcome a Calder finalist, Selke finalist, and Cup winner that will sell tickets in a market that will increasingly need it.

He proved himself plenty.  Heck, even Maurice said at one point, we don't expect Brandon to score in the role we want him to fill.  That is why Mo is gone (he is a *** idiot) and the role they had him playing decreased his scoring.  I expect him to score a lot more points with Pittsburgh, 1) because they score more goals, 2) he will be put in a role where they want and expect him to score.  Sutter will become a Selke contender as well down the road IMO.

He's played for Lavi, Maurice, and Muller. The "everything's Maurice's fault" excuse is getting tired.

I don't mind the trade, because it helps us get better next season.  Whether in 10 years, this will have been a good move, who knows...but the Canes cannot afford to miss the post-season again, and Staal should help us reach that goal.

For the Canes to continue thriving in this area, they really do need to win again soon (not the whole thing, mind you).

LOL at the idea Sutter will get an increased scoring role in Pittsburgh. He is going to become even MORE defensively focused there. I am fairly certain Malkin and Crosby will be deemed capable of handling the scoring.

FeloniousQ wrote: He's played for Lavi, Maurice, and Muller. The "everything's Maurice's fault" excuse is getting tired.

Not the excuse.  Muller came out and said he was changing his role.  Would have been nice to seen a full season under Muller.

Plus, Sutter was one of the better face off and D forwards on the team.

Do not get me wrong, I am excited about J. Staal, but you are wrong in acting like Sutter is Boychuk level of talent.  Sutter's best years are ahead of him and unfortunately those years will be with a different team.  Sutter's first 3 full seasons are pretty close to Brindy's first 3 full seasons.  That is the type of player he will grow into.