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Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
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Posted: 1/22/2013 11:11 PM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
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--- wlfpk81 wrote:
went to the game tonight. they have the same problem state basketball has, no defense. also, why the hell are we reverting back to the dump and chase? voluntarily giving up possession of the puck is something i'll never understand.
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It is often done to allow for a line change
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Posted: 1/22/2013 11:28 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
partizanpack wrote: Get rid of Corvo, Sanguinetti and Harrison and bring in some defensemen worth a **** This. Too bad it's never happening. |
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Posted: 1/22/2013 11:33 PM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
bppack wrote:
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--- wlfpk81 wrote:
went to the game tonight. they have the same problem state basketball has, no defense. also, why the hell are we reverting back to the dump and chase? voluntarily giving up possession of the puck is something i'll never understand.
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It is often done to allow for a line change trust me, i definitely understand the nuances of the game. for the majority of the game we were not doing it for line changes.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 8:28 AM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Concur, especially on Corvo. I know we are the green team of the NHL with all of our player recycling, but I still cannot believe we brought him back for the 3rd time. wolfpack87 wrote:
partizanpack wrote: Get rid of Corvo, Sanguinetti and Harrison and bring in some defensemen worth a **** This. Too bad it's never happening. |
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Posted: 1/23/2013 8:51 AM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
I was there last night (thankfully sparing me from the Wake fiasco, I guess). The Canes looked terrible. Terrible. I'm sorry, Kirk, but I don't agree with you saying they were better. I thought they were far better against Florida. Other than a couple of power plays in the second, I don't remember ever feeling like Tampa was at risk. The Canes played dump and chase --- which is fine --- but I can't remember one good forechecking shift. Atrocious.
And, to top it off, they had given all the Canes season ticket holders food and beverage cards with some credit on it for this season if you renewed early enough last year. And then they don't work until near the end of the second period. Combined with the family behind me not getting one of the Canes flags "for all people in attendance" because the Canes ran out and an awesome blue screen of death on one of the new concession video price boards, it was a solid outing for the franchise that only had 9 months to prepare since the last home game.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 9:32 AM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
wolfpackernc wrote: I was there last night (thankfully sparing me from the Wake fiasco, I guess). The Canes looked terrible. Terrible. I'm sorry, Kirk, but I don't agree with you saying they were better. I thought they were far better against Florida. Other than a couple of power plays in the second, I don't remember ever feeling like Tampa was at risk. The Canes played dump and chase --- which is fine --- but I can't remember one good forechecking shift. Atrocious.
And, to top it off, they had given all the Canes season ticket holders food and beverage cards with some credit on it for this season if you renewed early enough last year. And then they don't work until near the end of the second period. Combined with the family behind me not getting one of the Canes flags "for all people in attendance" because the Canes ran out and an awesome blue screen of death on one of the new concession video price boards, it was a solid outing for the franchise that only had 9 months to prepare since the last home game. ^ I use to live and breath Hurricanes hockey but this sums up my experience with them as a team and organization ever since the All Star game. Something changed out there after the ASG and its done nothing but a down ward spiral ever since. Its like a smugness is in the air and god only knows why. These guys have been nothing but a disappointment except for maybe 3 years of their existence. I've hardly missed a game since 2002 but since FEB of last year I've just been done on all levels. I can't imagine what its going to take to get me back on board. I was almost pulling for a league collapse just so we could get an AHL hockey team and call them the Raleigh IceCaps. Those guys at Edwards Mill need some humility and that would be about the only thing I could think that would do it. After rereading this, I realize that - I've become a bitter ex fan. 
Last edited 1/23/2013 9:42 AM by Motorcat
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Posted: 1/23/2013 10:26 AM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Remember when everyone jumped on me when I complained that our "big move" in the off season was signing a career 3rd line center? It's real cute and all that Jordan gets to play with his brother, but that's not what we needed.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 10:59 AM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Trading for Jordan was a great move. We just didn't follow it up with anything else. And getting rid of Bryan Allen to only replace him with Joe Corvo was beyond stupid.
Harrison and Sanguinetti are terrible, I don't care how young they are, I'm not sure I've ever seen two blue liners more lost than those two. McBain apparently can't stay in shape in the offseason. I like Faulk and Gleason, and that's about it.
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- bjtew
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Posted: 1/23/2013 11:01 AM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
There are multiple problems with the Hurricanes. One is they are commonly cheap in bringing in new talent but in doing so I think they overpay for some of their "home grown" talent as well as overpay for 3rd liners and bottom pairing D in hopes they'll become more than they are.
Staal and Ward in particular have very player friendly contracts and don't produce at a level these contracts demand. This and the fact they pay Corvo anything and overpay for players like LaRose doesn't leave enough money to bring in new players, this last off-season not withstanding.
Another issue is Rutherford's or the team's reluctance to truly tank. Drafting 7-12 and with this team's rather poor judgement and player development won't give us the players at much of a rate to make this team better. We get a diamond in the rough every couple of years but at this rate it won't keep up with the decay of players we lose to FA and retirement.
JR also has failed to reap the benefits of deadline overpayment in the past due to his NTCs, failing to negotiate contracts in season, and generally just being "player friendly" although I've yet to see any benefits to that.
Last edited 1/23/2013 11:24 AM by bjtew
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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:05 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Motorcat, it took you rereading that last post to come to that conclusion?
^ Agree with you on two points, disagree on the other. Probably would have been much better for the Canes to have tanked a few of these years when they barely missed out on the playoffs. Guess there was just a bit too much talent on the team to make that happen. Which leads to the other point I agree with you on. E. Staal and Ward. Look at their contracts compared to their peers in the same tax bracket. Has their play been up to the level of their peers in that group? For moments sure. Don't think that's the case as a whole over the years, however. Not sure it's all on them, but your stars have to be stars. Disagree with LaRose and Corvo. Go to CapGeek.com and look at the comparables to those two based on cap hit and length of service in the league. Think you'll be surprised at who their peers are and how they match up. Remember, LaRose's hit is only $1.7 and Corvo's $2.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:44 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
wrcwolf wrote: Motorcat, it took you rereading that last post to come to that conclusion?
^ Agree with you on two points, disagree on the other. Probably would have been much better for the Canes to have tanked a few of these years when they barely missed out on the playoffs. Guess there was just a bit too much talent on the team to make that happen. Which leads to the other point I agree with you on. E. Staal and Ward. Look at their contracts compared to their peers in the same tax bracket. Has their play been up to the level of their peers in that group? For moments sure. Don't think that's the case as a whole over the years, however. Not sure it's all on them, but your stars have to be stars. Disagree with LaRose and Corvo. Go to CapGeek.com and look at the comparables to those two based on cap hit and length of service in the league. Think you'll be surprised at who their peers are and how they match up. Remember, LaRose's hit is only $1.7 and Corvo's $2. I tried to say this a while back and got slammed. E. Staal is a really good player, but he is not among the elite players in the game, but that is the way he is treated and portrayed by this organization. J. Staal is pretty good too, but he is not A LOT better (note: I said A LOT better) than Brandon Sutter, but he was sold to the fans as this massive upgrade. He's not. I'll take the flaming now. -------
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil." - Ayn Rand
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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:56 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Yeah other than Faulk and Gleason the entire defense was pretty god awful last night. I'm really sick of the organization bringing back old players like Corvo, David freaking Tanabe, whoever.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:04 PM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
^^ E Staal is very good. Play and stats don't match with some of the guys on this list. You can say that about a few guys on there, however. capgeek.com/comparables/?player=518Disagree with your comparison of J Staal to Sutter. Think Jordan is a better player and has the potential of being a much better player. Could be wrong. Ward's cap comparables: capgeek.com/comparables/?season=2012&player=544Kari Lehtonen at $3.55 looks pretty good. Again, wouldn't put all of those two's (E Staal, Ward) issues on their shoulders completely. ^ Not all of the defensive breakdowns last night were because of the defensemen. The forwards play in the defensive zone, too. |
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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:38 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Eric Staal is among the top 30 players in the league. His contract is not outrageous in light of that.
I would agree that Ward hasn't really lived up to his contract - but then again, it's tough when the team in front of you sucks.
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- bjtew
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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:49 PM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
My issue is less w/ Staal as a player and more of his abilities as a leader. I guess we've been spoiled w/ Rod and Francis but Staal's captaincy has not gone well in terms of team performance. When Staal is on he is an elite player and when he is off well he looks lazy and the team usually follows. I suppose if he had a winger deserving of a top line spot maybe it wouldn't be as apparent. Hopefully Semin will start finishing his chances.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 3:04 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
wrcwolf wrote: Motorcat, it took you rereading that last post to come to that conclusion?
Yeah - it did. I've never openly pulled for them to lose like I have since the season started. I want to like them, feel that passion again and have been hoping something would make that happen. I guess its more of a realization that its not going to happen cause I have finally admitted to myself and others that I am truly done instead of just dwelling on it, taking shots on a message board and wondering to myself what happened to a franchise on the rise. Has/was it been that obvious or do you have a point other than noticing yourself ? Have you ever spent much time around the Hurricanes organization ? I'm guessing you have as you seem to have an insiders POV. I can tell you for a fact the milk soured at the arena after the ASG - something is not being said - I wish I knew what its was. I do have a working knowledge of the arena on a surface type of level and there is a cancer eating away from the inside there. Just no one will come out and say exactly what it is. They have always played close to the vest with info but post ASG everyone stopped talking and started shaking in their shoes.
Last edited 1/23/2013 3:08 PM by Motorcat
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Posted: 1/23/2013 5:55 PM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Since the Cup win the 'Canes have played good hockey for an extended period of time exactly one time when the playoffs already weren't out of reach (to finish the '08-'09 season). I don't get the moves they make at all. I used to watch every game, but a lot of things last season really made it so that I haven't followed the lockout or the first two games this year.
Player-wise, resigning Pitkanen a few years back was fine, but to have him essentially be your number one defenseman while trotting out defensemen like Corvo, McBain, Sanguinetti, etc. is beyond dumb. Then they resign McBain for $1 million+ this last offseason and then don't think highly enough of him to even play him the first two games. Ward can be great, but flat out doesn't do it consistently enough and hasn't had a very serviceable defense since '06. Staal is very good as well, but not the elite player he projected to be after '06. Semin was and will continue to be a gamble, but getting J.Staal was not the huge move they made it out to be. Sutter/Dumoulin/pick was a lot to give up for a marginal upgrade over Sutter. I know he wasn't a big time scorer, but Sutter was the type of guy I wanted leading the team the last two years. Just a lot of iffy moves IMO that shows that this team doesn't really know where it wants to go as a franchise.
Last edited 1/23/2013 5:58 PM by rollinsox007
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Posted: 1/23/2013 6:26 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
The Canes defense is completely irritating. If we are going to go big by brining in guys like Corvo, then get a big defenseman who will hit people at the blue line and not ole them only to clutch and grab as faster players skate by. And if we are going to go for smaller faster dmen, then get ones who can handle the ******* puck.
This in between **** isn't working.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 8:12 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
I guess I watched a different game, but I thought Ward was the problem. Goals going right thru his legs. They should have pulled Weekes from the announcer's booth  |
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Posted: 1/23/2013 10:49 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
--------------------------------------------- --- wilsonbrown wrote: I guess I watched a different game, but I thought Ward was the problem. Goals going right thru his legs. They should have pulled Weekes from the announcer's booth --------------------------------------------- I agree. |
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Posted: 1/24/2013 10:30 AM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
I thought we passed puck good but we didn't handle the passes worth a ****. I would try Ellis right now. We might be 0-4 soon. Play Buffalo back to back and they seem to be energized and physical. We need to take this one tonight. We must be offensive. I didn't understand why we didn't keep/or try Bryan Allen. He blocked shots and was physical. He wasn't our best defense but i think he fit something we needed. We need to push players down around the goal.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 10:34 AM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
wilsonbrown wrote: I guess I watched a different game, but I thought Ward was the problem. Goals going right thru his legs. They should have pulled Weekes from the announcer's booth I guess you were watching a different game. The only one I remember going thru his legs was on the rebound in the crease in the first (basically, a scramble). Not that five-hole goals are terrible per se anyway. |
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Posted: 1/24/2013 10:43 AM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
He had one where he was screened that maybe he should have done better.. one batted in the air and the aforementioned poke between the legs.. i think a lot falls in the defense.
FWIW, I thought they did play better Tuesday. If not for a couple wide open net misses it would have been a better outcome.
They better come out roaring tonight. Enroth in goal who has been a tough nut for us in the past so no break by getting the backup to Miller.
If you can't spot the idiot in your office, you are the idiot in your office - SlackZac
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Posted: 1/24/2013 10:57 AM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
rollinsox007 wrote:
Player-wise, resigning Pitkanen a few years back was fine, but to have him essentially be your number one defenseman while trotting out defensemen like Corvo, McBain, Sanguinetti, etc. is beyond dumb. Then they resign McBain for $1 million+ this last offseason and then don't think highly enough of him to even play him the first two games. Ward can be great, but flat out doesn't do it consistently enough and hasn't had a very serviceable defense since '06. Staal is very good as well, but not the elite player he projected to be after '06. Semin was and will continue to be a gamble, but getting J.Staal was not the huge move they made it out to be. Sutter/Dumoulin/pick was a lot to give up for a marginal upgrade over Sutter. I know he wasn't a big time scorer, but Sutter was the type of guy I wanted leading the team the last two years. Just a lot of iffy moves IMO that shows that this team doesn't really know where it wants to go as a franchise. What were they supposed to do with McBain? Not resign him and let him walk for nothing? McBain's situation will be resolved soon. Either he will pick up his game or he will be traded. There is no way you do not resign him and the price was not unreasonable. J. Staal is a MUCH better player than Sutter. I liked Sutter and wished the Canes could have kept him, but you have to give up something to get something. Sutter's ceiling is 3rd line checking center. He will fit that role nicely with the Pens who have Crosby and Malkin holding down the top lines. That's why Jordan wanted out of Pittsburgh. He was not going to beat those two out. Virtually all the Pens fans are heartsick over losing him. Losing Doumalin sucked, but you can thank the Rangers for that. They bid the price up for J. Staal and the Canes had to sweeten the deal.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 1:26 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
"Oh No" Corvo out of the lineup tonight. McBain in.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 1:30 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
wolfpackernc wrote: "Oh No" Corvo out of the lineup tonight. McBain in.  ________________________________________________________
"I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them." - Andy Bernard
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Posted: 1/24/2013 1:34 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Being framed as a "rest day" for Corvo given back-to-backs.
Something tells me that if the Canes win tonight, Corvo will get some extra rest tomorrow.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 7:05 PM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Chantel in the black horn rimmed glasses = win  |
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Posted: 1/24/2013 7:10 PM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Skinner, what in the **** was that? Trying to do some Mighty Ducks ****?
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Posted: 1/24/2013 7:47 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Staal quote in the Chantel interview after 1, "they're a team we don't like very much."
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Posted: 1/24/2013 7:47 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
0-0 after 1.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 7:56 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
manganese wrote: 0-0 after 1. impressive -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chapel Hill is burning and I'm toasting marshmallows
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Posted: 1/24/2013 7:56 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
D already playing better without Corvo seeing top line minutes.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:13 PM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
So far, this is more of the team I expected to see
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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:16 PM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
crap...2-1
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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:23 PM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
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So far, this is more of the team I expected to see
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I take it back
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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:25 PM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
2-0 lead gone like a flash, lol
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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:26 PM
Re: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Skinner again, he's come to play this year, with the exception of that stupid missed shot attempt in the first.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:28 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Wow.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 8:36 PM
RE: Carolina Hurricanes 2012-13.1 (0-2-0) 1/24 Sabres
Larose is useless when he's committing stupid penalties.
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